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[Zeece]

All I've seen in the Updates is Group Group Group and 12man.... where is the info on how the Solo players work into the equation?

[Wintersdark]

Seemed last time you could join the Defense queue, but couldn't attack. CW is basically a group activity right now, which is IMHO unfortunate, but at least you can get involved in defense.

[Dolph Hoskins]

It reads like there will be plenty of opportunities for solos to fill the gaps in both attacking and defending postions. That plus the fact they allowed sub 12 member groups to initialize attacks should translate into more possible combinations of groups to be put together, which should also mean uneven #'s, hence room for solos.

It would seem that as long as solo and groups of all sizes come to CW there will be a lot of opportunities for just about everyone. I am liking the looks of it so far.

Edited by The Ripper13, 26 September 2014 - 06:22 AM.

[Kjudoon]

I will use the colorful phrase I used before in regards to Solo players in CW:

You will be the pink slime in the hamburger known as CW.

May your fate be better than the cow's.

[Zeece]

They better be really damn careful then because throwing Solos into group and 12mans is a recipe for disaster.

[Goose]

"PuGs have no place," and you are starting a thread 'cause you like it that way?

[Zeece]

No I'm starting it because I want Solo Players to have a good and effective place in CW... I don't want them getting rolled repeatedly and leaving the game

[Bilbo]

Zeece, on 26 September 2014 - 06:40 AM, said:

They better be really damn careful then because throwing Solos into group and 12mans is a recipe for disaster.

We've been there before. We will survive.

[Dolph Hoskins]

I am sure PGI would like to have the holy grail of community requests known as CW to be an attraction for as many people who play MWO as possible. It would be none too smart to make the biggest feature of your online game that people have cried over for what? 2 years now? only be available to play for 12% of the total population.

The more that participate the more variance there should be. After all it wouldn't be the first game to have large scale objective maps with all sorts of people playing them. It's a video game not an exclusive tree house club.

Edited by The Ripper13, 26 September 2014 - 06:49 AM.

[TexAce]

I am the one who stomps. Solo.

[Zeece]

Bilbo, on 26 September 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

We've been there before. We will survive.

Surviving and Enjoy the Experience are two different things... I want to make sure yall are like.... Hell yah give me more

[KingCobra]

CW for solo players should be queued by faction only and have a campaign mode so say your FRR like me the MM groups up 12 FRR players and matches them up with 12 Draconis Combine players for a battle.For those that are playing solo no faction but lonewolf mercs they should just be fill ins for the solo MM queues.

Let the groups play CW in there own MM queues when you start mixing a 12 man premade Vs a 12 man solo group were just back to where we were at the end of Closed Beta =a mess and many upset players.

Edited by KingCobra, 26 September 2014 - 06:57 AM.

[Kjudoon]

I'll be honest Zeece... I'm very worried about it, but I have hope. It all comes down to whether or not Elo will be involved in matches for planets. If no... this is going to be a meat grinder. If yes... okay, there's some real hope here. If there's some other balancing mechanic going on.... I'm intrigued to see how it works out.

It's for the same reason Lassaiez Faire capitalism as well as total central planned economics are dangerous.

Edited by Kjudoon, 26 September 2014 - 06:57 AM.

[Hoax415]

Guys you can't prevent solos from getting rolled in CW. Not without artificial restrictions on everyone else.

We're not going to have a CW solo queue, that just doesn't make sense.

Right now they are super duper going to get rolled because right now there is no elo no MM of any kind planning on protecting them. Which means that if you want to win in CW, and a lot of people do, they are going to take the time to form groups because a bigger group will be even more valuable in CW with a FIFO system than a bigger group is in group queue.

The people who can't or won't even get a pick up group together are probably going to get rekt more often than not.

But CW is supposed to be even more tryhard than group queue. So casual solo play not being supported should not be a surprise or an offense to anyone should it?

The way the latest design doc for CW reads, there is no restrictions at all on solo players participating. Anyone with the appropriate faction alignment can queue up and be matched into a team for any planet, attacking or defending action.

Edited by Hoax415, 26 September 2014 - 07:02 AM.

[Bilbo]

Zeece, on 26 September 2014 - 06:54 AM, said:

Surviving and Enjoy the Experience are two different things... I want to make sure yall are like.... Hell yah give me more

I ain't skeered.

[Kjudoon]

Bilbo, on 26 September 2014 - 06:59 AM, said:

I ain't skeered.

[Zeece]

Hoax415, on 26 September 2014 - 06:58 AM, said:

Guys you can't prevent solos from getting rolled in CW. Not without artificial restrictions on everyone else.

We're not going to have a CW solo queue, that just doesn't make sense.

Right now they are super duper going to get rolled because right now there is no elo no MM of any kind planning on protecting them. Which means that if you want to win in CW, and a lot of people do, they are going to take the time to form groups because a bigger group will be even more valuable in CW with a FIFO system than a bigger group is in group queue.

The people who can't or won't even get a pick up group together are probably going to get rekt more often than not.

But CW is supposed to be even more tryhard than group queue. So casual solo play not being supported should not be a surprise or an offense to anyone should it?

The way the latest design doc for CW reads, there is no restrictions at all on solo players participating.

At the launch event their design document had the Solo Que pushing the fronts opening up planets for conquest for the group que.... it eludes me why they would go away from this design... it was solid and meaningful for the solo players.

[Boris The Spider]

Zeece, on 26 September 2014 - 07:02 AM, said:

At the launch event their design document had the Solo Que pushing the fronts opening up planets for conquest for the group que.... it eludes me why they would go away from this design... it was solid and meaningful for the solo players.

There was no solo queue at game launch, and as CW requires faction matching you can't have a solo CW queue.

[KingCobra]

hoax415 said (We're not going to have a CW solo queue, that just doesn't make sense)

How would you know this unless you want to state you work for PGI are Russ or Brian and know this to be true?

If this is the case and solo fill in players are going to pitted against premade groups then CW will fail badly and this game will have a short life span.There is no player in gamming that likes to be rolled and farmed 24/7 by groups every online game that has had this format has either dies off or had to change there MM to allow solo and group type drops and gameplay.

Edited by KingCobra, 26 September 2014 - 07:18 AM.

[Hoax415]

Because KingCobra they have explicitly spelled it out twice so far.

Now they may "our position at the time" it down the road. But we can and should speak in absolutes for clarity's sake if nothing else when talking about systems they have told us about in this latest round of design docs.

FIFO. No solo queue. No MM of any kind so far is what they say. Solo players used just like small groups are in the group queue to fill missing spots in a drop.

That's how they say it is gonna work. I don't need to be PGI to read PGI's posts and understand them. Not even sure what your issue with reading comprehension is...