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[Xoxim SC]

While I support the Jump jet change, namely to the Timberwolf, I'm still a bit concerned about the role of the Nova and the Summoner. With the inability to change internal structures/armor, the loadouts on these mechs are extremely restricted. With the Summoner you basically just run the dual PPC build. One of my builds I have dual ER LL, dual ER ML, and a LRM15, which is decently effective, but punch. The Nova, well, that mech just makes me cry.

[Escef]

HashtagComStarWasRight, on 30 September 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

Actually, no, the point of an omnipod (speaking lore-wise) is that it's a big modular pod you can swap around. The pod itself though is 'hardwired'. A (lore-appropriate) Clan warrior doesn't say "OK, I want a C-config pod on my right arm, and I want X, Y and Z in it". He just says "I want a C-pod for my Summoner" and you get the standard equipment in a -C pod.

The only time you see non-standard omnipods are with Mary Sue viewpoint characters. Like, say, Aidan Pryde's Timber Wolf that included jump jets in its specially-made omnipods.

So making the JJs 'hardwired' is actually hewing closer to the fluff.

Not at all. In lore, an Omnipod contained a single weapon or piece of equipment, and pods would be swapped on and off of mechs as needed. Did your ERPPC get critted during combat? Takes 30 minutes to swap it for a fresh one, afterwards the techs can try to fix it while you are back out on the field. No functional ERPPCs left? Ok, just toss on an ERLL, ERML, and an extra heat sink pod. ("And fix my Particle Cannon A-SAP, technician caste surat!") The various letter designators only served to catagorize the most popular configurations. Sort of like how in MWO you would frequently only see one or two popular load outs for certain mechs. (For example, there was a time where pretty much every A1 Catapult was a SplatCat.) Inner Sphere Omnimechs can even use clan Omnipods with no issues. If it worked as you suppose that compatibility would make no sense.

[SgtMagor]

I read the OP a couple of times, but I seem to have missed this for some reason. finally, cant wait...

Another note is remember that the negative quirks on the Victor have been flushed so it is now considered a tier 1 mech again, which is why it is listed as such.

Another note is to remember that the existing quirks we gave the Awesome, Dragon, Centurion and Hunchback are being flushed for new ones that go a lot further

[Escef]

Macksheen, on 30 September 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

CN9-YLW ... I put this here as a placeholder for the upcoming new CN9 that can mount an AC20 ... the YLW can't move it's arms, making it worse than all the other CN9 regardless.

I'm guessing you've never used a YLW. Something that moves an Inner Sphere AC20 around the battlefield at over 100 kph is seriously good. Especially when it can still pack acceptable armor and a couple backup guns.

[HashtagComStarWasRight]

Escef, on 30 September 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

Not at all. In lore, an Omnipod contained a single weapon or piece of equipment, and pods would be swapped on and off of mechs as needed. Did your ERPPC get critted during combat? Takes 30 minutes to swap it for a fresh one, afterwards the techs can try to fix it while you are back out on the field. No functional ERPPCs left? Ok, just toss on an ERLL, ERML, and an extra heat sink pod. ("And fix my Particle Cannon A-SAP, technician caste surat!") The various letter designators only served to catagorize the most popular configurations. Sort of like how in MWO you would frequently only see one or two popular load outs for certain mechs. (For example, there was a time where pretty much every A1 Catapult was a SplatCat.) Inner Sphere Omnimechs can even use clan Omnipods with no issues. If it worked as you suppose that compatibility would make no sense.

Nope, if your ERPPC took a hit the solution is to replace the entire pod with another one while the damaged pod is repaired.

A Timber Wolf arm 'pod' is basically the entire forearm below the elbow connector, for example.

The letter designations are the 'standard' pods that the Clans kept around in bulk for most of their mechwarriors. If you were a khan or ristar or something you could have custom pods made up, but for the rank and file it was 'choose one of A, B, C, Prime'.

[Escef]

HashtagComStarWasRight, on 30 September 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

Nope, if your ERPPC took a hit the solution is to replace the entire pod with another one while the damaged pod is repaired.

A Timber Wolf arm 'pod' is basically the entire forearm below the elbow connector, for example.

The letter designations are the 'standard' pods that the Clans kept around in bulk for most of their mechwarriors. If you were a khan or ristar or something you could have custom pods made up, but for the rank and file it was 'choose one of A, B, C, Prime'.

I suggest you go back to your core books and/or TRO 3050 and re-read the sections on how omnipods work.

[Sandtiger]

HashtagComStarWasRight, on 30 September 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

This is not the thread for arguing. Just accept that you bringing up DFA is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with firing weapons while using jump jets.

I'm not arguing. Its hard to argue with someone who completely blew off my link to the book they requested.

Then completely overlooks the Minotaur information I posted as well.

And then to top it off can't understand that my reference to death from above was in context with "they can jump and fire, and do death from above as well as another piloting attack"

You are behaving like a bible basher that takes one sentence out of the bible and twists it to their individual need for proving a point. If you want to debate lore with me, you are going to have to do better.

[Escef]

Sandtiger, on 30 September 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:

And then to top it off can't understand that my reference to death from above was in context with "they can jump and fire, and do death from above as well as another piloting attack"

To be fair, novels and art are the two lowest men on the totem pole of what constitutes lore. As for game rules, the old Solaris 7 dueling rules did contain rules for firing while airborn. Those are some pretty obscure rules, though, and very hard to find in hard copy these days (not even sure if you can get them in pdf either).

[TankHamsta]

N0MAD, on 29 September 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

So more buffs to Lights which are already OP, not gona stop till a light can destroy a whole lance of Assaults in 3 seconds are you.

I KNOW, RIGHT?
They're Soooooo OP that a whopping ~5-10% of players dropping are Light mechs! /rollseyes.

The data is clear. Players obviously love dropping in Assaults/Heavies to get destroyed by Light mechs. /sarcasm

Escef, on 30 September 2014 - 06:22 PM, said:

I'm guessing you've never used a YLW. Something that moves an Inner Sphere AC20 around the battlefield at over 100 kph is seriously good. Especially when it can still pack acceptable armor and a couple backup guns.

It's true. Also @Macksheen, don't forget that YLW is a medium mech, not being able to move it's arms is hardly a disadvantage when it can do 360 turns at the drop of a hat.

Edited by TankHamsta, 30 September 2014 - 07:34 PM.

[Deathz Jester]

An ETA on mechs visually displaying the weapons they're mounting properly would be nice...

[Wrayeth]

TankHamsta, on 30 September 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

I KNOW, RIGHT?
They're Soooooo OP that a whopping ~5-10% of players dropping are Light mechs

I'm not venturing an opinion on the balance of lights either way here, but I do want to point out that not everybody only plays what's "best". Some people, such as myself, play mechs that suit their playstyle instead. As such, the reason I don't run lights has nothing to do with how good or bad they are, and everything to do with the fact that assaults are the class that suits my playstyle. I just don't have fun running mechs with limited firepower and durability, even if their mobility is superior.

[HashtagComStarWasRight]

Sandtiger, on 30 September 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:

And then to top it off can't understand that my reference to death from above was in context with "they can jump and fire, and do death from above as well as another piloting attack"

This is because you misread that quote. It wasn't saying you could jump, fire weapons, and also DFA. It was saying that in addition to normal weapon firing, you can instead execute a DFA attack during your movement phase.

Also you are the one who claimed there were examples of poptarting in the books. Thus the onus is on you to provide citations. I am not going to do your research for you.

[Escef]

HashtagComStarWasRight, on 30 September 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

Also you are the one who claimed there were examples of poptarting in the books. Thus the onus is on you to provide citations. I am not going to do your research for you.

Especially when you can't even do your own. Sandtiger isn't spot on, but so far he's been more accurate than you have.

[Purger of Man]

I don't see the Huginn in the light listings, is it in the mythological tier 6? xD

Edited by Purger of Man, 30 September 2014 - 10:46 PM.

[Hades Trooper]

Andross Deverow, on 30 September 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

Russ,

PLEASE GOD MAKE THE ATLAS SOMETHING TO BE FEARED!

A 'Mech as powerful as possible, as impenetrable as possible, and as ugly and foreboding as conceivable, so that fear itself will be our ally. ”

No, like all mechs it's had it's day in the sunshine. Even in lore the Atlas becomes a passed by mech as bigger and better IS assaults start coming off the production lines

[Pezzer]

Glad to hear that the new mech quirks will include some weapon-specific additions. So long as they stack with basic generalized quirks (+5% energy cooldown, +5% ML cooldown) and so long as those generalized quirks exist on almost if not all mechs that have weapon-specific quirks, things should work out.

The HBK-4G AC/20 double MG build is a popular one, but I really like my triple AC/2 Hunchie...

[Eternal Hunter]

Love most of the stuff you got in the October roadmap, but would like some details on awards for roles concerning light\medium mechs

One of the things i noticed is when you had a Kitfox with triple ams and three tons of ammo, and even ams overload and ams range was that you got no rewards for the thousands of missiles you shot down.

[Orteus Zenzala]

Lots of good news but I remain skeptical about the "Quirk" ... especially on giving each variant has a role ...

Following the example of hunckback 4G will have a quirk to the AC20 since it has a stock version the Awesome will surely have quirk for Lrm or PPC, as it has this basic armament.

what scares me is that every one of Awesome have lrms and ppc so if there receive Quirks based weapons, I'm afraid this is the end custom loadout and that goes a bit like on mmorpg has the frame with 20 specialization possible, but only a viable ... and that's bad for Mwo.

So Wait and see

[lordoverboard]

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Destruction of a Clan Side Torso

I dont understand the point of this. A mech loosing one of his side torsos (+arm) just lost half of its fireower. That means, he wont notice any reduced number of Heatsinks, am i right there?

[Escef]

sirzorn, on 01 October 2014 - 01:19 AM, said:

I dont understand the point of this. A mech loosing one of his side torsos (+arm) just lost half of its fireower. That means, he wont notice any reduced number of Heatsinks, am i right there?

Depends on the loadout. But usually won't be noticed.