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[Alexander MacTaggart]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

And I wanted to add, the people who dont spend to avoid the grind now, also dont spend anyways. Its nullified.

It makes no difference either way. If you throw more cbills at them, or dont.

This is just flat-out not true. You may want it to be, but there are plenty of us that would throw money at PGI but PGI's poor decisions have made us choose not to.

If base earnings were high enough to make premium time worth it I would have no problem paying for it. I actually have 30 days on my account from the Koshi preorder. But I won't activate it, because it's not worth using (even if free) right now.

[KraftySOT]

The original claim was you can get all the stock IS mechs for ~310 million.

Alexander MacTaggart, on 27 October 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

This is just flat-out not true. You may want it to be, but there are plenty of us that would throw money at PGI but PGI's poor decisions have made us choose not to.

If base earnings were high enough to make premium time worth it I would have no problem paying for it. I actually have 30 days on my account from the Koshi preorder. But I won't activate it, because it's not worth using (even if free) right now.

And plenty of people who throw money at them for making the right decisions, that you say are the wrong decisions

STJOBE.... I NEED YOU AND YOUR SCREENSHOTS =D

He's very critical of PGI, and the rewards got him to buy the new Mech Pack. 80 dollars. Check mark.

Everyone is not having the same experience, with the same system.

What does that tell you?

[hybrid black]

LordKnightFandragon, on 27 October 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

And 9-14 million buys you 1 medium mech, all tricked out....or some cheapie heavy.....Now, you get to do it 2 more times without the cadet bonus.......

My Alt acct made like 7-8 million with the cadet bonus and I didnt really do all that well, nevr dealt more then maybe 300 dmg with those trials......it was all gone after I got the CN9A and equipped it with w/e....Dem DHS....I really wish they cam down in price lol...

And this adds to the point i made after i said how much you can make... if you add in what i said that 10 million can get you say 2 mechs not fit perfectly but how you wanted to fit them..

Hell if they re add rearm and repairs they can make trails and say stock mechs of the house you pick not cost rearm and repair hows that for new player friendly

[KraftySOT]

http://mwomercs.com/...92#entry3838192

You want to read this^

Watch StJobes posts.

This was PRE-hotfix.

So what you guys are saying, is not the truth. Everyone doesnt agree with you, think like you, or view the grind like you.

The grind is just personal goals, and perspective.

You are your own problem. New players...maybe theres something to that. Maybe the Cadet bonus needs to be larger.

But not the cbill intake.

Heres what Russ had to say 30 minutes after the Rewards 2.0 hit while just us munchkins were grinding it:

"[color=#00FFFF]So far I am worried they are too high, I seem to be getting a lot.[/color]

[color=#00FFFF]But it will take us about 24 hours or real data to make a determination.[/color]

[color=#00FFFF]But yes they do seem to add a lot of fresh new interactivity to the ongoing game as you qualify for rewards - a good point to build from "[/color]

He ended up now lowering them, but upping them.

Hrmm.

Edited by KraftySOT, 27 October 2014 - 11:52 AM.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

The original claim was you can get all the stock IS mechs for ~310 million.

$43.2 million for stock Atlases alone. Another $150 million for stock mediums (and not even all the variants or chassis).

Yeah, $310 is still lowballing it by a lot.

[KraftySOT]

Heres my reply to Russ that Mr Beefy liked (thanks for the Forum score bro)

[color=#959595]I think you may be seeing lights have a pretty sizable increase in cbill earnings, which isnt a bad thing, more incentive to pilot them is great.[/color]

[color=#959595]Mediums...maybe actually seeing a decline, im not sure how heavies and assaults are panning out, but from the anecdotes, seems like about the same. [/color]

[Mothykins]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 11:44 AM, said:

Just IS?

And the Cutefox.

[Kodyn]

Krafty, usually your points are a bit more intelligent and mature, but you're losing me on this one, and I haven't even been hit too hard by the CBills change, slight decrease maybe, so I'm not too personally concerned, for reference.

All you basically keep repeating is that you feel like everyone should play the way you do, and if they do not, well, screw 'em. While I may be a bit of an arse to people sometimes, even I'm not that bad....you cannot simply assume that everyone should just do what you do and be happy or GTFO. Online games do not, and will never work that way, unless you decide to invest in and develop your very own game, for only you to play.

CW is going to cost CBills to participate in, so the CBill earnings will impact a lot more than just new players(whom I do feel suffer under the new system), they will impact everyone's attempts at participating in CW, which is the stated main focus of this whole game. Yes, many vets and older units may have large, stacked coffers by now, but that is not representative of the entire player base, and the population as a whole needs to be considered in this, not just the 1%.

As I stated, this isn't really effecting me one way or another, but when it comes to keeping a large enough number of players happy and playing this game, I'm all for keeping the population healthy, for all our sakes.

[KraftySOT]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 27 October 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

$43.2 million for stock Atlases alone. Another $150 million for stock mediums (and not even all the variants or chassis).

Yeah, $310 is still lowballing it by a lot.

Uh theres 10 mediums, theyre all below 5 million. How does that work? The highest seems to be the Shadowhawk at 8.5 mill. Theres a wolvie at 7.5

Youd be damned close to all the medium mechs available for cbills that are IS, for 150 million if not having them all.

Lights are cheaper, heavies arent that much more expensive, and some of the assaults are still under 7 mill, and the highest costing is the DDC with ECM.

Cavale, on 27 October 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

And the Cutefox.

So around 70 then minus the Cutefoxes? Sounds legit.

Kodyn, on 27 October 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

Krafty, usually your points are a bit more intelligent and mature, but you're losing me on this one, and I haven't even been hit too hard by the CBills change, slight decrease maybe, so I'm not too personally concerned, for reference.

All you basically keep repeating is that you feel like everyone should play the way you do, and if they do not, well, screw 'em. While I may be a bit of an arse to people sometimes, even I'm not that bad....you cannot simply assume that everyone should just do what you do and be happy or GTFO. Online games do not, and will never work that way, unless you decide to invest in and develop your very own game, for only you to play.

CW is going to cost CBills to participate in, so the CBill earnings will impact a lot more than just new players(whom I do feel suffer under the new system), they will impact everyone's attempts at participating in CW, which is the stated main focus of this whole game. Yes, many vets and older units may have large, stacked coffers by now, but that is not representative of the entire player base, and the population as a whole needs to be considered in this, not just the 1%.

As I stated, this isn't really effecting me one way or another, but when it comes to keeping a large enough number of players happy and playing this game, I'm all for keeping the population healthy, for all our sakes.

No I feel everyone should play the way that maximizes their fun. If the grind bothers you, avoid it. If you like brawling, brawl, if you want to snipe, snipe.

The power is in your hands.

[Tynan]

Kodyn, on 27 October 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

Krafty, usually your points are a bit more intelligent and mature, but you're losing me on this one, and I haven't even been hit too hard by the CBills change, slight decrease maybe, so I'm not too personally concerned, for reference.

All you basically keep repeating is that you feel like everyone should play the way you do, and if they do not, well, screw 'em. While I may be a bit of an arse to people sometimes, even I'm not that bad....you cannot simply assume that everyone should just do what you do and be happy or GTFO. Online games do not, and will never work that way, unless you decide to invest in and develop your very own game, for only you to play.

CW is going to cost CBills to participate in, so the CBill earnings will impact a lot more than just new players(whom I do feel suffer under the new system), they will impact everyone's attempts at participating in CW, which is the stated main focus of this whole game. Yes, many vets and older units may have large, stacked coffers by now, but that is not representative of the entire player base, and the population as a whole needs to be considered in this, not just the 1%.

As I stated, this isn't really effecting me one way or another, but when it comes to keeping a large enough number of players happy and playing this game, I'm all for keeping the population healthy, for all our sakes.

And this is the point. Given the many upsides for the health of the game (and, I would posit, income) from bringing up CBill earnings, I'd need a really good argument about what the downside would be, and I have yet to see one.

[KraftySOT]

Tynan, on 27 October 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

And this is the point. Given the many upsides for the health of the game (and, I would posit, income) from bringing up CBill earnings, I'd need a really good argument about what the downside would be, and I have yet to see one.

Tournament weekends.

Every day will be like Tournament weekends.

Seriously the worse time to play this game.

Though I realize thats my personal perspective.

Tynan, on 27 October 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

And this is the point. Given the many upsides for the health of the game (and, I would posit, income) from bringing up CBill earnings, I'd need a really good argument about what the downside would be, and I have yet to see one.

And you know what, fair enough.

I thought my arguments were really good, you disagree. Fine. Im a big boy. This is a legit as **** post.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

Uh theres 10 mediums, theyre all below 5 million. How does that work? The highest seems to be the Shadowhawk at 8.5 mill. Theres a wolvie at 7.5

Youd be damned close to all the medium mechs available for cbills that are IS, for 150 million if not having them all.

You're making my point for me. Assume $5mil per variant, you need 3 variants per chassis, there are 10 IS chassis. $5mil x3 x10 = $150m

But it's actually a lot higher as you point out.

[Mawai]

Brody319, on 25 October 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

I break 200K on a win most of the time.
250K on fantastic matches.
I get 100K when I lose and my team does bad
130K on most matches.

I don't know why you are getting so low numbers even after the buff.

I don't know either but my experiences are similar so he isn't on an island even though some folks don't seem to have any problems.

It would be interesting if they plotted earnings vs Elo, mech weight class, game mode and other factors to see if they can figure out why some folks are earning less while others don't seem to have a problem.

[Arkbird_]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

No I feel everyone should play the way that maximizes their fun. If the grind bothers you, avoid it. If you like brawling, brawl, if you want to snipe, snipe.

The power is in your hands.

Then why are you spending all this time trying to prove to everyone that it's your way or the highway? If this doesn't help you understand how contradictory you are to your argument i wonder if anything ever will.

[KraftySOT]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 27 October 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

You're making my point for me. Assume $5mil per variant, you need 3 variants per chassis, there are 10 IS chassis. $5mil x3 x10 = $150m

But it's actually a lot higher as you point out.

They arent 5 mill a variant though, some are down in the 3 mill range.

And if you were to do this two days ago, instead of today, the Shadows would be on sale not the Cicadas, so that entire line is 50% off.

No 150 million for every variant of mediums is a good estimate. Im not knocking you for it. I was trying to make your point. So....*thumbs up*

You get all the lights around 70 mill, around 150 for all the mediums, youre at 220 million. Fair enough you cant get EVERY IS mech for the remaining 90 million...but you can get all the Fatlases and Banshees.

Point is you can have ~120 mechs for that price.

[Mr Beefy]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

Tournament weekends.

Every day will be like Tournament weekends.

Seriously the worse time to play this game.

Though I realize thats my personal perspective.




And you know what, fair enough.

I thought my arguments were really good, you disagree. Fine. Im a big boy. This is a legit as **** post.

IMO, Your will and desire to exploit what ever system PGI puts up for the C-bills earnings/farming, is what makes the Weekend events and challenges the way they are and will always continue to be if the lust for C-bills in this very painful grind doesn't get lessened.

I am seriously starting to wonder if your trolling is really just a hidden goal of making our argument for a hike in earnings by us look even better than it already is.

Further more, with you line of thinking, if we are mad at PGI for their design choice's, if team killing makes us happy we should do it... bonus for team killing a dev, hey? Or if not taking a planets primary objectives to defend or take it becomes a issue and stops your enjoyment to get the highest pay for the drop, just do what makes you happy, screw the planet and your team mates/ faction?

Yep, sounds about right.

Edited by Mr Beefy, 27 October 2014 - 12:16 PM.

[KraftySOT]

PV Phoenix, on 27 October 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

Then why are you spending all this time trying to prove to everyone that it's your way or the highway? If this doesn't help you understand how contradictory you are to your argument i wonder if anything ever will.

Its not my way or the highway.

Its "whatever brings you enjoyment", but "heres how you make cbills now".

Your posts are "im not happy because the grind is too long"

So I tell you how I avoided the grind.

You tell me to stfu you need MOAR CBILLS.

See how this is frustrating for me?

Imagine youre saying. "Im hungry!" and I say "Heres a sandwich" and you say "BUT I WANT A CUBAN ON RYE YOU STUPID *******!!"

Thats where I am with you people. You dont HAVE to play the way I play. But if YOU DO. Youll get more cbills and be more happy.

Unless youre one of these people who is saying "I dont want to play that way, but I also want alot of cbills"

Well you cant have both. You have to make a choice. You cant take your Wubshee out at make 300k anymore. You have to do it in a light, or a fast medium.

"I dont want to do that"

Well then youre not going to get alot of cbills then
"But I want alot of cbills"

Then you need to do the things I mentioned

"But I dont want to do that"

This is this entire conversation for 34 pages.

"I want more cbills"


Heres how you get more cbills.

"I dont want to do that"

Well then you wont get more cbills

"But I want more cbills"
Heres how you get more cbills.

"I dont want to do that"

Well then you wont get more cbills

"But I want more cbills"

Heres how you get more cbills.

"I dont want to do that"

Well then you wont get more cbills

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Heres how you get more cbills.

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For 34 goddamn pages.

Edited by KraftySOT, 27 October 2014 - 12:14 PM.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

Point is you can have ~120 mechs for that price.

You might be able to 'have' them for that price, they will be warmed-over crap though.

You're talking another $150-180 million for DHS conversion, plus whatever other charges.

And God help you if you want to actually upgrade 120 engines.

[KraftySOT]

You dont HAVE to play the way im suggesting.

But if you do, youll make more cbills.

If you dont want to play that way.

Thats your fault. And its insulting, since being a teamplayer, now rewards you.

So the over tone to this entire conversation is that youre all whining that you have to be a teamplayer and you cant just swoop in, kill steal, and make bank.

[Astrocanis]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

Its not my way or the highway.

Its "whatever brings you enjoyment", but "heres how you make cbills now".

Your posts are "im not happy because the grind is too long"

So I tell you how I avoided the grind.

You tell me to stfu you need MOAR CBILLS.

See how this is frustrating for me?

Imagine youre saying. "Im hungry!" and I say "Heres a sandwich" and you say "BUT I WANT A CUBAN ON RYE YOU STUPID *******!!"

Thats where I am with you people. You dont HAVE to play the way I play. But if YOU DO. Youll get more cbills and be more happy.

Unless youre one of these people who is saying "I dont want to play that way, but I also want alot of cbills"

Well you cant have both. You have to make a choice. You cant take your Wubshee out at make 300k anymore. You have to do it in a light, or a fast medium.

"I dont want to do that"

Well then youre not going to get alot of cbills then
"But I want alot of cbills"

Then you need to do the things I mentioned

"But I dont want to do that"

This is this entire conversation for 38 pages.

Krafty, you don't seem like a bad guy. But what you're saying is, truly, "Play my way or suffer."

The rewards system is punishing for those who are on the lower levels, whether new players or simply not uber. That punishment will result in reduced gaming "resources" because nobody wants to the the level 5 wolf in Ellwyn forest, the turret in Assault, the little league batter facing Nolan Ryan.

So, as those who have lower earning power, regardless of the reason, leave, your rewards will start to suffer as well. Because you can't just hit and run / snipe or brawl without targets who are either out of position or of said lower skill level.

Be very careful what you wish for. I think Russ is a very smart guy. I think he'll do something to shore this up. Sooner is better.

I like, in essence, what the Rewards 2.0 system does. Just not in application.