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[Kilo 40]

Bloodright58, on 10 March 2015 - 12:15 AM, said:

Sorry, to dig up an old post, but everything I see here is about a single or only a few mechs as LRM boats.

The issue I am running into in the public queue is a group of 8 players that are all running heavy assault mechs that all are LRM boats. (I also suspect they might be using a targeting hack). Many have tag, but the whole unit is using LRMs. Yes, in competitive play this probably wouldn't work, but these guys are running in the public queue. Making the game quite unenjoyable for many.

(Opens the doors and waits for the troll brigade)

No one is using "hacks". you are not being fired upon by "LRM boats". since clan weapons weigh less than IS weapons, many people will add an LRM launcher if they have extra tonnage.

as you get better you will learn how to avoid LRMs altogether. In the mean time, use AMS, the radar deprivation module, an/or use a mech that has ECM if you can. and above all stay near cover and use that cover the moment you hear "incoming missiles".

[EvilCow]

Damage is not the problem, the problem is the whole LRM/sensors/ECM implementation. The weapon goes from useless to game breaking depending on the conditions, without middle ground.

A good implementation would make players *consider* taking some LRMs without having to boat them.

Just tweaking damage/heat/recycle will not do it.

[Joseph Mallan]

EvilCow, on 10 March 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

Damage is not the problem, the problem is the whole LRM/sensors/ECM implementation. The weapon goes from useless to game breaking depending on the conditions, without middle ground.

A good implementation would make players *consider* taking some LRMs without having to boat them.

Just tweaking damage/heat/recycle will not do it.

The problem is LRMs are good if not boated. But nobody takes weapons unless the have PP convergence or work well en mass. But why take an LRM15 when a PPC or AC10 is more effective, Unless you want/like to inflict damage to an unseen enemy?

[Amer]

We only need to adjust the amount of shake. And/or make radar deprivation the default way things work, cause this is the only module I use in every match.

Edited by Amer, 10 March 2015 - 01:42 AM.

[Kilo 40]

EvilCow, on 10 March 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

A good implementation would make players *consider* taking some LRMs without having to boat them.

you don't have to boat them. at all. More launchers means less ammo.

In all of my builds I never(ok, maybe one or two builds) have more than 30 tubes.

[Hit the Deck]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 January 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Is that a crotch jump rocket??

[Kjudoon]

If you are being targeted from an unknown source you have been narced or they have a spotter.

If you are being killed by LRMs because you can't make it to shelter, your mech is too slow for the distance you are from cover, you you are not aware of where the enemy is.

These are essential skills to develop.

Good luck in the future on this. It took a while for me to figure it out too.

[Primetimex]

PGI - please REMOVE all weapon system PLUS NARC, TAG, ECM, BAP in the game except for:

1. Gauss Rifle (remove charging too)
2. ERLL
3. LPL
4. ML
5. Buff PPC/ERPPC to their original godspeed levels

So this way you don't need to worry about balancing ANY MORE since so we all know you are so incompetent at it.

The game now becomes the way the players want it a full on COD PPFLD shoot-fest - either you shoot faster / more accurate or yer dead - no bickering about ECM,TAG,NARC,LRM,SRM spread/etc, clan ding dong AC, PROBLEM SOLVED.

[Raven Mendes]

To be honest, and being a little evil here, pgi should change its front page phrase instead of "future is war" to Future is nerfs, because lately what i see more its nerfs and not great solutions, its easier to nerf than adjust, quick badges arent the solution

[King Arthur IV]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 January 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

i need this one, meow! right meow! i dont even care if it screws up my drop deck and i have to bring like 3 lights just to bring this guy. i need it. it doesnt even look like has room for ammo but who care!!!! plz pgi if you are listening, make this one meow not tomorrow but today.

[Armorine]

Holy necro batman! Wi feel that lens are only good for softening the enemy

[EvilCow]

Kilo 40, on 10 March 2015 - 01:40 AM, said:

you don't have to boat them. at all. More launchers means less ammo.

In all of my builds I never(ok, maybe one or two builds) have more than 30 tubes.

30 tubes is already a lot I think.

[Kilo 40]

EvilCow, on 10 March 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

30 tubes is already a lot I think.

2 LRM15s is not a lot.

[Kjudoon]

Kilo 40, on 10 March 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:

2 LRM15s is not a lot.

Depends on the mech. On a light or medium, yeah, it's a lot. On a heavy, meh... on an assault... that's like ordering an appetizer and desert with no entree.

[Novakaine]

This thing still alive?

[Kjudoon]

Froedrick Fronkensteen brought it back from the dead.

Now it's lurching about again.

[Joseph Mallan]

King Arthur IV, on 10 March 2015 - 02:55 AM, said:

i need this one, meow! right meow! i dont even care if it screws up my drop deck and i have to bring like 3 lights just to bring this guy. i need it. it doesnt even look like has room for ammo but who care!!!! plz pgi if you are listening, make this one meow not tomorrow but today.

Clan Blood Spirit Build. So not much ammo was carried. It was a very sturdy Assault with lots of pain!

[King Arthur IV]

Joseph Mallan, on 10 March 2015 - 05:22 AM, said:

Clan Blood Spirit Build. So not much ammo was carried. It was a very sturdy Assault with lots of pain!

its a clan mech.... probably take me half a year just to grind out one.

[DjPush]

The problem lies in the way match maker choses its mechs.. There is nothing in place that says: "Hey, maybe one side SHOULDN'T have 6 LRM boats." or "each side gets two LRM boats and two ECM."

[DivineEvil]

The only thing I feel required is adjustment of Mech's sensor range depending on weight, so that Lights have the current range, and heavier mechs has less and less inbred ability to launch LRMs without support or targeting equipment. Overall though, having an enemy full of LRM boats on the contrary makes them very easy to wither down even with half-competent teammates.