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[Shismar]

I am not sure if no change of camo seriously impairs the value of the hero mechs but it sure does not hurt to ask for this feature. As long as PGIs stance on this is not known, any speculation on if they will or won't, can or can't is a waste of bytes and not worth raging about.

If I was to buy a hero mech, which I'll probably never will, I would like the option.

P.S.: Talking about sensitivities, try displaying swastikas in Germany and you may find out just how sensitive some folks are about some stupid symbol only really dumb people would employ in the first place (in the western world).

[-Halcyon-]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 December 2014 - 07:08 AM, said:

When I read something constructive I'll let you know. What I read is I wanna do this.

At one time Ford told the Customers, You can have your car in any color you want. As long as it's black. Sometimes a consumer has to suck it up and accept Stuff for what it is and be happy or go without.

I understand the "Want" of being able to change the Hero's camo. But I also understand NOT being allowed to. I guess being a parent give me a wider view of why, "Cause I said so" is sometimes necessary to accept.

You can't always get what you want.

Nope sorry, as a customer I'm not just going to "suck it up" and not ask for changes. You can stick your head in the sand if you want to.

Fortunately I don't have to convince you since you don't work for PGI, and thank god because customers would never get anything they wanted.

"Take this and like it because I tell you to!"

Yeah what a great business model.

Edited by Halcyon201, 06 December 2014 - 08:57 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Halcyon201, on 06 December 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Nope sorry, as a customer I'm not just going to "suck it up" and not ask for changes. You can stick your head in the sand if you want to.

Fortunately I don't have to convince you since you don't work for PGI, and thank god because customers would never get anything they wanted.

"Take this and like it because I tell you to!"

Yeah what a great business model.

Yup you deal with it everyday in most parts of your life. Can you get Burger King to make you a Taco? Hey Coke, I want Raspberry flavoring instead of Cherry! Sure the COULD likely do it, but will they?

Sure it would be nice to have everything the way you like it, but here's the kicker, IF PGI makes it so you Like it, someone else may hate it. I personally think its a question of you getting what you paid for. You bought Yen Lo Wang (for instance) It comes with a set paint scheme. You wanna change it, but you got exactly what you paid for. Nothing more, nothing less. Now you want more.

And Yes it is a good business model. Giving the customer what you promised them, is a great way to do business.

Go to Ford, Tell them to make a Mustang Sedan. Cause hey Thats what YOU want them to do. See if they hop right on that.

[Kodyn]

Joe, you're not as dense as you're trying to be in this thread...just stop, please.

You understand what people are saying, and you understand that no one is complaining, and what feature suggestions are.

Everyone here commenting in the negative understands that, and for whatever reason is feeling the need to play devil's advocate to an argument that really needs no other side.

Would something in this game be better if your choices were improved? Yes. Will it break the game either way, no.

There is absolutely no reason for intelligent people to be in this thread debating other intelligent people about a non-argument, using lines like "because I said so".....

C'mon people, grow up, please.

[Brody319]

Why is this a debated issue?! People just wanna be able to paint their mechs they bought how they want, what is wrong with that?!

[-Halcyon-]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 December 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Sure it would be nice to have everything the way you like it, but here's the kicker, IF PGI makes it so you Like it, someone else may hate it.

If PGI allows hero mechs to have more then 1 camo, how is someone going to hate more choices?
You're just being an obnoxious troll at this point.

Edited by Halcyon201, 06 December 2014 - 09:38 AM.

[verybad]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 December 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

Actually, they do not. Heros are the stock model. Only the special pack models are unique models.

They very well can have a different UV however.

[James Montana]

Halcyon201, on 03 December 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

I don't understand the restriction of hero mechs and camo patterns.
I forked over the cost of a brand new video game for one mech. I should get to color him any way I frickin' please.

Not only that, PGI is losing out on possible camo sales by not letting anyone do it. They're so gun-ho for cash with things like limited premium time, why wouldn't they open up more customization options especially for mechs we can only buy with real cash?

Boggles my mind.

I know!!!!! I have been arguing this since closed beta regarding the founders mech. It seems as if they are shooting themselves in the foot. Imagine all of those hero and founder mechs that people could spend MC on giving it a fresh new look. PGI, I know you want money. Do you want more? make this happen and I'm pretty sure you would get some more

[Joseph Mallan]

Halcyon201, on 06 December 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:

If PGI allows hero mechs to have more then 1 camo, how is someone going to hate more choices?
You're just being an obnoxious troll at this point.

You take away the unique of the Mech. It is not Your Mech. It is a known Heroes. It is famous for being what it looks like.

Look at the Hubbub over the casting of John Boyega as a Stormtrooper, which every Star Wars fan KNOWS is spawned from Jango Fett's DNA.

Sometimes more choices is the wrong choice. I understand both sides of the argument and see the merits of both sides, I just side with a hero remaining true to who's Mech it is Meant to be. Sorry you cannot accept it without resorting to name calling.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 December 2014 - 07:08 AM, said:

When I read something constructive I'll let you know. What I read is I wanna do this.

At one time Ford told the Customers, You can have your car in any color you want. As long as it's black. Sometimes a consumer has to suck it up and accept Stuff for what it is and be happy or go without.

I understand the "Want" of being able to change the Hero's camo. But I also understand NOT being allowed to. I guess being a parent give me a wider view of why, "Cause I said so" is sometimes necessary to accept.

You can't always get what you want.

Here ya go. If that ain't constructive Joe, IDK what is.

Bishop Steiner, on 05 December 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

or who are being realistic, about monetization. What is already spent is spent, and the terms were agreed to. Hence, no rage.

What I am saying at least, is to open up the Hero Chassis to further paint customization will entice NEW buyers more, as many many people actually held off due to things, like moral objections over the Firebrands paint scheme, etc.

And even for many who already own them, it would encourage many more to buy new camo skins and colors.....ALL OF WHICH MAKES PGI MORE MONEY. It's really simple, basic and smart marketing.

Heroes should be the only ones with access to their unique skins, but IMO, and speaking from the point of better monetizing MWO, should not be limited to those. It's a no/low effort win/win, for PGI and any Player who either want to have a different paint job on their hero, be it just because, for unit conformity, or who didn't buy over personal objections......

And PGI gets more money.

Understandably, the Founders, Phoenix, Invasion, Resistance and Norns are NOT what I am referring too, as all have unique geometry which would require a ton of time, effort and money from PGI to reskin. But the Heroes have the stock geometry of the base Chassis, and THUS, it is not a matter of having to remap every skin to the Hero.

Seriously, this is about common sense and smart marketing.

The only people "raging or butthurt", appear to be those who are so vehemently (and irrationally) opposed to the idea.

RG Notch, on 06 December 2014 - 07:52 AM, said:

LOL

Exactly. No answer. Moving on.

[-Halcyon-]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 December 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

You take away the unique of the Mech. It is not Your Mech. It is a known Heroes. It is famous for being what it looks like.

Look at the Hubbub over the casting of John Boyega as a Stormtrooper, which every Star Wars fan KNOWS is spawned from Jango Fett's DNA.

Sometimes more choices is the wrong choice. I understand both sides of the argument and see the merits of both sides, I just side with a hero remaining true to who's Mech it is Meant to be. Sorry you cannot accept it without resorting to name calling.

Dude, this has nothing to do about Star Wars, John Boyega, stormtroopers, Ford, some actor's green car, Taco Bell, Burger King, or any other irrelevant subject matter you keep pulling out.

There is nothing unique about the appearance of a hero mech if every player's hero mech looks exactly the same.

You're playing devil's advocate when this topic doesn't need a devil's advocate. There is nothing to advocate for on PGI's side or the preservation of lore.
It's a video game. Lore isn't preserved here, otherwise we could boat any weapon without ghost heat.
Since it's a video game we would like more customization options when paying real money.

Also, troll isn't name calling. It's a definition for what you're doing. Anyway, this is the last time I'm responding directly to your absurd posts talking about stormtroopers and Jengo Fett's DNA.
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Edited by Halcyon201, 06 December 2014 - 12:24 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 December 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

You take away the unique of the Mech. It is not Your Mech. It is a known Heroes. It is famous for being what it looks like.

Look at the Hubbub over the casting of John Boyega as a Stormtrooper, which every Star Wars fan KNOWS is spawned from Jango Fett's DNA.

Sometimes more choices is the wrong choice. I understand both sides of the argument and see the merits of both sides, I just side with a hero remaining true to who's Mech it is Meant to be. Sorry you cannot accept it without resorting to name calling.

Also, those star wars fans are idiots. The Galactic Empire able to amass huge Clone armies was crushed 30 years ago. Any SMART Star Wars fan knows that there would be little chance of existing Storm Troopers to all still be Jango Clones. By that point in time, it is eminently probable that they would be taking any soldiers they can get to try to hold onto a dwindling empire.

[RG Notch]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 December 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Exactly. No answer. Moving on.

Move along, then, what have you got other than people are stupid and we should tolerate their stupid belief systems. I'm fine with that so nothing to say. People who have stupid hang ups are ok, but no one is allowed to think their hang ups are stupid. Seems oddly hypocritical but I don't expect a lot from some one with 20K+ posts on a video game forum. So I'll stick to laughing, shaking my head and rolling my eyes.

[Tom Sawyer]

Custom Nose Art

Custom Mech Paint.

PGI could charge 10 bucks for a custom skin that you paint then upload and they store on the server.

[Creovex]

To be blunt... from a player who paid full price on the Boars Head and a bunch others...I still remember when the YLW came out...

Does anyone, aside from your team during first five minute hike from spawn, pay much attention to the camo??? Until this game forces the permanent removal of the HUD.... then the red box around your mech has more of my attention then anything. With the lighting on most maps... you don't even get the full colors. Outside of Crimsion and Alpine, bright colors as camo is very unnoticable.

I understand the immersion point but don't feel it warrantso a fix till more pressing issues are addressed.... I do want to see faction skins on heroes in the future, just not as critical as UI tweaks or other things.

Edited by Creovex, 06 December 2014 - 02:21 PM.

[-Halcyon-]

RG Notch, on 06 December 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Move along, then, what have you got other than people are stupid and we should tolerate their stupid belief systems. I'm fine with that so nothing to say. People who have stupid hang ups are ok, but no one is allowed to think their hang ups are stupid. Seems oddly hypocritical but I don't expect a lot from some one with 20K+ posts on a video game forum. So I'll stick to laughing, shaking my head and rolling my eyes.

Confused as to who you're referring to when you mention stupid people with stupid beliefs.
Is this referenced to people who believe hero mechs should have more customization? Or are we going off topic here...

[RG Notch]

Halcyon201, on 07 December 2014 - 12:28 AM, said:

Confused as to who you're referring to when you mention stupid people with stupid beliefs.
Is this referenced to people who believe hero mechs should have more customization? Or are we going off topic here...

I don't have a dog in the fight over customization, I personally don't see any reason why they shouldn't be able to customize and it seems some folks are arguing just to argue because I can't see any sense in not allowing it. I was referring to people who wouldn't buy a hero because of moral issues with the camo.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 December 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Also, those star wars fans are idiots. The Galactic Empire able to amass huge Clone armies was crushed 30 years ago. Any SMART Star Wars fan knows that there would be little chance of existing Storm Troopers to all still be Jango Clones. By that point in time, it is eminently probable that they would be taking any soldiers they can get to try to hold onto a dwindling empire.

I'm not arguing that at all, Just Fans can be... difficult.

Halcyon201, on 06 December 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Dude, this has nothing to do about Star Wars, John Boyega, stormtroopers, Ford, some actor's green car, Taco Bell, Burger King, or any other irrelevant subject matter you keep pulling out.

There is nothing unique about the appearance of a hero mech if every player's hero mech looks exactly the same.

You're playing devil's advocate when this topic doesn't need a devil's advocate. There is nothing to advocate for on PGI's side or the preservation of lore.
It's a video game. Lore isn't preserved here, otherwise we could boat any weapon without ghost heat.
Since it's a video game we would like more customization options when paying real money.

Also, troll isn't name calling. It's a definition for what you're doing. Anyway, this is the last time I'm responding directly to your absurd posts talking about stormtroopers and Jengo Fett's DNA.
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This is why I wanted hero Mechs to be limited to only a few dozen If even that many. There is only ONE Yen Lo Wang. And unless you are Kai You should not have one.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 December 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:

I'm not arguing that at all, Just Fans can be... difficult.

This is why I wanted hero Mechs to be limited to only a few dozen If even that many. There is only ONE Yen Lo Wang. And unless you are Kai You should not have one.

But you miss the point. These AREN'T the Mech (Unless you make the matchmaker make it so two of the same hero can't drop together). They are knockoffs. These are the Jersey of your favorite star your wear to the Football game. If you want to keep the camo, great, you can. But since you still have not once commented on my points on marketing and monetization, it seems mostly that you are simply being stubborn because it's not how YOU want it, Joe.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 December 2014 - 07:32 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 December 2014 - 07:32 AM, said:

But you miss the point. These AREN'T the Mech. They are knockoffs. These are the Jersey of your favorite star your wear to the Football game. If you want to keep the camo, great, you can. But since you still have not once commented on my points on marketing and monetization, it seems mostly that you are simply being stubborn because it's not how YOU want it, Joe.

And what colors are those Jerseys Bis? My Joe Greene Steeler Jersey is Black and Yellow as was Joe Greene's when he wore it.