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[Mystere]

Duke Nedo, on 08 December 2014 - 03:50 AM, said:

There are two types of stomps, one that you describe where team balance is ok but the snowball starts rolling. Those are unavoidable and are quite often good fun anyways.

Then there is the other type where the teams are just incredibly unbalanced, one team pushing and the other running around trying to find some teammates to hide behind... in best case. In worst case they don't even know we have already lost the game, still running full speed counter-clockwise looking for the enemy, team chat turned off, not reading casualties, not looking at the radar... those should be possible to avoid or at least tone down.

But here's the rub. People complaining about ELO/MM do not distinguish between the two.

[Willard Phule]

Mystere, on 08 December 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

But here's the rub. People complaining about ELO/MM do not distinguish between the two.

Really.

How about the stomps where you get 8 people that can't unzoom without looking at their hands, don't know how to get out of 3PV and can't seem to find the "R" key for their 150LRMs? Those happen a lot, too. Especially in the solo queue.

[Joseph Mallan]

Willard Phule, on 08 December 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

Really.

How about the stomps where you get 8 people that can't unzoom without looking at their hands, don't know how to get out of 3PV and can't seem to find the "R" key for their 150LRMs? Those happen a lot, too. Especially in the solo queue.

Maybe to you specifically Will, I don't think I have ever seen 8 team mates unable to unzoom...

[Sandpit]

Willard Phule, on 08 December 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

Really.

How about the stomps where you get 8 people that can't unzoom without looking at their hands, don't know how to get out of 3PV and can't seem to find the "R" key for their 150LRMs? Those happen a lot, too. Especially in the solo queue.

Bad play doesn't lay on the mm
Period

We've had this discussion before will. New players should be started at bottom but you make waaaay to many assumptions about your teammates without any data for proof

[STEF_]

Alpine. Assault.
3/4 of the team was directing to "the antenna". Main enemy forces was in top of "the mountain".
2 (TWO) light appeared on the right.
The entire team went to chase those 2 only lights.
"The entire team" means 2 fat ass dires too, along with heavies ect.
11 mechs. Running for 2 lights.
Is it really true that there aren't bots in mwo?

I quitted the game for a couple of mission of mechcommander 2.....

[Sandpit]

Stefka Kerensky, on 08 December 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

Alpine. Assault.
3/4 of the team was directing to "the antenna". Main enemy forces was in top of "the mountain".
2 (TWO) light appeared on the right.
The entire team went to chase those 2 only lights.
"The entire team" means 2 fat ass dires too, along with heavies ect.
11 mechs. Running for 2 lights.
Is it really true that there aren't bots in mwo?

I quitted the game for a couple of mission of mechcommander 2.....

Nice story bro

[Summon3r]

MM isnt bad right now, its when you lose the PUG lottery a get a couple teddy ruxpins that think they can run off and win

[STEF_]

Sandpit, on 08 December 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

Nice story bro

The horror!!!

Figure that while those 11 bots were trying to chase 2 lights, enemy team was sniping and lurming "my" team to death....
But do you believe that someone understood that it was a bad idea?
No, they kept on chasing and dying

[Sandpit]

Stefka Kerensky, on 08 December 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

The horror!!!

Figure that while those 11 bots were trying to chase 2 lights, enemy team was sniping and lurming "my" team to death....
But do you believe that someone understood that it was a bad idea?
No, they kept on chasing and dying

Which has what to do with the mm and elo system?

Exactly how is pgi supposed to make your team play better?

[Odins Fist]

SOLO DROPS:

Sometimes you get Good Teammates...
Sometimes you get Great Teammates...
Sometimes you get Bad Teammates...
Sometimes you get Terribad Teammates...

Group Drops (2-4):
(description rest of team)

Sometimes you get Good Teammates...
Sometimes you get Great Teammates...
Sometimes you get Bad Teammates...
Sometimes you get Terribad Teammates...

Unless you are running in 8-12 mans on Coms, then expect the above to some degree.
Personally I have ran with (1) other friend in Group drops and had mostly the latter of the two in description. Tried to communicate with the team and team refused to communicate in 4 out of 5 matches, but they would type in pre game chat to the enemy team = FAIL.

Teamwork on Coms with the numbers is the only way to coordinate & communicate better..

Edited by Odins Fist, 08 December 2014 - 02:49 PM.

[Duke Nedo]

I am thinking, people who play bad are bad players and should be having a low elo.

[Sandpit]

Duke Nedo, on 08 December 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

I am thinking, people who play bad are bad players and should be having a low elo.

They don't?

[Darth Mech]

Odins Fist, on 08 December 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

Sometimes you get Good Teammates...
Sometimes you get Great Teammates...
Sometimes you get Bad Teammates...
Sometimes you get Terribad Teammates...

IOW: RANDOM

You get what you get when the bucket fills up enough to tip over dirtside.

Edited by Darth Mech, 08 December 2014 - 03:10 PM.

[Duke Nedo]

Sandpit, on 08 December 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

They don't?

You said bad players has nothing to do with elo and the mm?

[TexAce]

Some very lopsided matches in solo queue lately.

My new hunchy has a 19:1 K/D ratio because of it

Yes, NINETEEN TO ONE. And no, I'm not new in medium weight class, I play my other mediums all the time, my ELO was fairly high before too.

Edited by TexAss, 08 December 2014 - 03:14 PM.

[Sandpit]

Duke Nedo, on 08 December 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

You said bad players has nothing to do with elo and the mm?

No i said poor play doesn't.

How do you know their elo? Are you implying that your elo should be higher than theirs?

TexAss, on 08 December 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Some very lopsided matches in solo queue lately.

My new hunchy has a 19:1 K/D ratio because of it

Yes, NINETEEN TO ONE. And no, I'm not new in medium weight class, I play my other mediums all the time.

Kdr in no way represents elo

[TexAce]

Sandpit, on 08 December 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

No i said poor play doesn't.

How do you know their elo? Are you implying that your elo should be higher than theirs?


Kdr in no way represents elo

Well, it's Win/Loss ratio is 7:1, and now?....

[Duke Nedo]

You drunk mate? Or just pissed off with the world in general?

[Sandpit]

TexAss, on 08 December 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

Well, it's Win/Loss ratio is 7:1, and now?....

So your 7:1 means your teammates should play better?
Or opponents are lower elo?

Duke Nedo, on 08 December 2014 - 03:17 PM, said:

You drunk mate? Or just pissed off with the world in general?

No i just show the flaws in the assumptions made. You don't know your elo. You don't know the other 23 elos in the game.
You imply that your elo should put you on a "better" team?

[Duke Nedo]

I said no such thing, nor implied it.