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[Koniving]

As lore-rooted as I am, even I would prefer the option of changing colors. For example a Clan Wolf pattern with its Gamma Galaxy colors or the Delta Galaxy colors.

In Jade Falcon's case what we have is Delta Galaxy colors (while not quite the same scheme), while other Jade Falcon galaxies are very different.

• Alpha Galaxy is a dark blue-ish color with a golden talon.
  
• Epsilon is green with black and white.
  
• The Gamma Galaxy sports a wood-land esque pattern of brown, black tan and green with a stripe and two patches of a much brighter green.
  
• Gamma Talon Galaxy is two shades of grey, brown and a blue stripe down the center.
  
• Gyrfalcon Galaxy is grey and green.
  
• Iota Galaxy is teal, tan/grey and white.
  
• Kappa is two shades of grey and green.
  
• Lambda is tan, grey and crimson.
  
• Mu Galaxy is 3 shades of green.
  
• Then there's 6 more galaxies each with their own schemes.

And this is just the Jade Falcons.


So, it really would make sense for a faction's pattern to be able to represent its colors, regardless of which colors they might be.
(I also might add that Clan Wolf and Jade Falcon share a few colors, but this does not lead to confusion for they do not share the same patterns).

While I do not expect this change, since I'm here I may as well put in a request for it.
The 'Angels' on the Limited Edition mechs. It'd be nice to change their dress color. Why would I want to change the color of the chains/ropes when half of the ropes/chains ignore the color change anyway? But that dress.. that dress is very prevalent and thus it really does matter; it's a huge color that "never changes" and this makes me sad.

Edited by Koniving, 10 December 2014 - 11:30 AM.

[Orion the Hunter]

OK, time to jump in here. From my personal experience, this whole experience with Faction content and "what is eligible" has been a giant fail on the part of PGI. Now that I used subjective, angry-internet-mob lingo, let me share my experience and source of confusion.

While deciding whether to make this large purchase, I saw the disclaimer about "Faction content is only applicable to package mechs" which raised the concern about the bonus Mad Dog. I submitted a ticket to customer service, during the two-week wait for a response I sent multiple follow up e-mails and submitted a separate ticket request wondering if my ticket got lost. Finally, I was contact by someone from support who basically quote the same vague, confusing disclaimer through three e-mails, until I finally informed him that he was still failing to use plain language and requested a direct, yes or no answer. He told me that yes, the faction content was available on the Mad Dog variants that were included.

Then during release around Dec 9th, I saw the garbage about certain mechs not being eligible for the content, namely the (I) variants, and felt completely duped and was quite angry. Then I saw Russ' statement here: http://mwomercs.com/...ember-road-map/
which stated that Faction skins will be applicable to the Invasion variants as well as the Mad Dog. (for those who don't want to search, it's in the section labelled "King Crab and Wave 2..." So I felt a little better, I felt like PGI got this right and was addressing it directly and fairly to clear up confusion.

But then in this thread I see more conflicting information, with a paragraph saying Mad Dogs are not eligible for faction skins, followed immediately by a paragraph saying Mad Dogs will receive faction skins.The contradiction is confusing to the point where I wonder if I'm misreading the whole thing. Then, I see some insinuations that may the Mad Dog (I) will be the only mech excluded from the faction skin.

Will you please clarify whether Mad Dogs (Including the 'Invasion' variant) will be receiving the skins, and if there are any exceptions, do you feel like addressing the misleading information?

And on the topic of locked colors on these faction 'Camo Patterns':

• This would be the first time camo patterns had fully locked colors
  
• why did you not include a disclaimer/description since this deviates from past practices and established expectations?
  
• Maybe you should reword "Camo Pattern" to "Faction Specific Paint Job"

Essentially, all I'm asking for is clear, direct answers that represent some commitment on the part of PGI, rather than something that feels more like PGI is trying to hold onto something they know the community wants in an attempt to sell it to us, even though we thought we paid for it once already.

Edited by Orion the Hunter, 10 December 2014 - 11:38 AM.

[Summon3r]

let us plaint our our INVASION models PLEASE!!

[ThatGuy539]

Don't the invasion models have a slightly different shape than the standard models?

If they do, this means that it's not a simple job to apply the camos (clan faction or IS) to them. That will require some work, so I wouldn't expect it ASAP.

Although, it would be a nice option.

[Cimarb]

Big Tin Man, on 10 December 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

This whole discussion has me very confused. I didn't buy clan wave 2 stuff, but I did buy the resistance, and my choice to upgrade may hinge on answers to the following questions:

1. The faction camo (skin) can ONLY be used on the mechs provided in the pack. Is this correct?
2a. The faction camo (skin) can ONLY use the faction colors provided as part of the pack. Is this correct?
2b. Specific to each faction skin, that skin must use that faction's colors. I.E. Davion skin must use Davion colors. Davion skin CANNOT use Steiner colors. Is this correct?
3. The mechs provided in the pack are capable of wearing other camo patterns (basic, faction, other). Is this correct?
4. If the mech is using a non-faction camo, it is capable of using ANY unlocked colors. Is this correct?
5. The faction colors are unlocked for ALL mechs, regardless of IS or Clan affiliation. Is this correct?
6. The faction camo that you own can ONLY be used if you are currently flying that faction's flag. Is this correct?

I think an answer from PGI to each one of these questions would open up a much better and easier to follow discussion.

I am not with PGI, but I can answer most of them.

1. Yes, mostly. The Wave 2 faction camo reward is only usable, currently, on the Wave 2 pre-ordered mechs (4+MDG). It will be available on Invasion variants of those mechs, as well as all Wave 1 mechs, in the near future, though we do not have an ETA for that yet.
2a. Yes, mostly. There is a relatively small amount of space on each mech that is affected by the Primary color you choose, but it is very small and unnoticeable from anything more than brawling range.
2b. No. Though you can only change the Primary color, and it is very small on most mechs, that color can be changed to any color, regardless of faction.
3. The non-Invasion variants can use any camo pattern available to that faction, yes.
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No. You can use any faction camo you want, as long as you chose it as one of your picks from the Wave 2 pack.

ThatGuy539, on 10 December 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

Guys, you'll get better results if you stay away from personal attacks and rude comments. You can make your displeasure known without that.

I would generally agree with you, but the only person that Dennis answered was the one personally attacking him. That is why people do that. Rational responses have a much smaller chance of getting an answer, sadly.

BSK, on 10 December 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:

I dont understand all these Freeborns complaining about "camo"? What is that? I guess these people dont even know what a Bloodname is ..

I do not think you know what you are talking about. Camo (short for camouflage) has nothing to do with Clans/IS, nor a Bloodname.

[Will9761]

I'm trying to get support for this, tell me what you think here:
http://mwomercs.com/...pattern-colors/

[RuzzBot]

Dennis de Koning, on 09 December 2014 - 06:45 PM, said:

Alaric,
Having a tantrum will get you no where.
Claiming my response was bullshit is a little out of line don'tcha think?
I explained our reasoning behind the decision clearly and honestly; if you don't agree, that's ok, you have a right to your opinion.
But you have to admit, we've tried our best to expeditiously address concerns and consider requests you all may have.

I am completely open to modifying the option to customize the colours if the majority of users desire it.
Stating your point clearly, with tact, decorum and well thought-out reasoning will receive a better response than that of poor etiquette.

Considering yours (and others) concerns though, our schedule is quite full so any meaningful changes, if they are to be made, would have to wait until early next year.

As much as I love the eary release (kudos guys!), let us take you up on that. Put up a poll, see what the players want. Personally, I went with all 4 camo schemes because I expected to be able to change the colours, so I have to admit that was quite a disappointment.

Still, nothing is lost. Let's see what a poll gives

[Pillgor]

HI,

I too would prefer if the colors for the camos would be unlocked. The camos are very nice and I unlocked all four, but some of the colors just don't mesh with the rest of them...e.g. that green on the clan wolf camo. My first reaction was ...bäääh or eeeeew in english. The crux is, everybody has his own favorite colors in which they prefer to paint their mechs. I for one like desert colors, virus in black, white and sand is my favorite camo and not one of my heros has the original color scheme, Giving us the choice with which colors we paint our faction camo would be great.

PS As Wolf warrior, I really like that yellow face of the Jade Chicken...umm Jade Falcon Gargoyle laughed my ass off...^^

Edited by Pillgor, 10 December 2014 - 01:07 PM.

[Orion the Hunter]

Also, by locking the colors, you limit the ability to distinguish player-made units. Maybe someone wants the pattern of the faction camo because they support/align with that faction, but want to show their own unit colors. It allows the unit to distinguish itself.

However, with the current setup, you also create a situation where people will see "Oh that is just some rich kids who bought that skin" rather than "oh, that is Clan Wolf! Be careful guys" because everyone will be forced into the same scheme which won't be readily distinguishable.

[VtTimber]

I guess I'm the only one here that thought exactly what happened was what they were marketing. The Faction skins are exactly what was advertised and I never thought for once that you would be able to change the colors within the skin itself...

I just found out that they added an accent color so you could make a subtle change to allow unit specific colors which was nice but unexpected.

[GeistHrafn]

Folks will spend MC to buy the colors they need to create the scheme they want. Unlocking them is win/win PGI. You want our money, it only makes sense.
Also, given much of the negative reactions here to them being locked, unlocking them will most likely stop FUTURE sales of packs from being affected by the decision. Speaking for myself, I will not purchase a pack again blindly as it stands.

[Will9761]

Basically making a poll based on this topic is the best way to go. The more people vote the better information we can show to Russ. So this is more civil than turning this into a flame thread.

Edited by Will9761, 10 December 2014 - 03:38 PM.

[Alaric Wolf Kerensky]

Appogee, on 10 December 2014 - 06:20 AM, said:

I'm sorry, but what does it mean that the colors are "locked".

I unlocked each of the four sects of camos and colours for the factions.

Does this mean the Clan Wolf camo can only be show in in the Clan Wolf colors?

If so, then it seems fairly logical to me... Why would a Ghost Bear camo ever appear in Clan Wolf colours?

There are no "Ghost Bear colors" or "Clan Wolf colors." Every Galaxy uses a different color set and pattern. The Clan Wolf pattern does not reflect the paint schemes used by the majority of Clan Wolf units, for example.

In addition, these patterns are not drawn from canon, while cool they were devised by a PGI artist. There should not be any issue lore-wise in recoloring them. I see what they are trying to do in "unifying" factions with specific color sets. However, these will not develop unity. Forcing a single pattern and color will just remove some of the individuality of separate units.

Edited by Alaric Wolf Kerensky, 10 December 2014 - 05:14 PM.

[Alaric Wolf Kerensky]

Nightshade24, on 09 December 2014 - 10:28 PM, said:

It is free when you compare the content with other packages.

Still not free. Money was paid for it.

[Prussian Havoc]

RuzzBot, on 10 December 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

As much as I love the eary release (kudos guys!), let us take you up on that. Put up a poll, see what the players want. Personally, I went with all 4 camo schemes because I expected to be able to change the colours, so I have to admit that was quite a disappointment.

Still, nothing is lost. Let's see what a poll gives

Readers of this thread do NOT constitute a sufficient cross-section of all gamers playing MWO. A poll among the 5 to 10% of MWO gamers who frequent these fabulous forum floors would be weighted inappropriate lay and NOT be representative of the MWO gamer population.

A poll would resolve nothing, it would only inflame those fringe few on the forums.

[Cimarb]

Prussian Havoc, on 10 December 2014 - 05:42 PM, said:

Readers of this thread do NOT constitute a sufficient cross-section of all gamers playing MWO. A poll among the 5 to 10% of MWO gamers who frequent these fabulous forum floors would be weighted inappropriate lay and NOT be representative of the MWO gamer population.

A poll would resolve nothing, it would only inflame those fringe few on the forums.

So do you have a counter suggestion?...

The grim reality is that 99% of the people talking about the camos are upset about them being locked. More importantly, there is zero justification for the lock, other than Dennis wants it that way.

I love Dennis' work, but this was a very poor decision and needs to be fixed.

[FenixK17]

There were never any mention that the camos will have their color locked. As it is, the camo on Clan 'Mechs are already extremely limited when compared to IS 'Mechs. I feel quite disappointed that this information on color locking was never mentioned till it actually arrived. The only salve here is that the Mad Dog non Invasion variants also have the camos. But that in itself isn't much of a consolation since most if not all MDD owners were expecting the camos to apply on ALL the MDDs.

I am glad I held off from getting any of the Resistance packs (I was going to paint over the Davion colors) until I saw the colors and art (and then Black Friday came and I am broke for now).

Dear Dennis, I implore upon you and PGI to allow the colors to be changed.

P.S: I still think the Bear's got the best looking camo (and I would like to color over it).

[Alaric Wolf Kerensky]

FenixK17, on 10 December 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

P.S: I still think the Bear's got the best looking camo (and I would like to color over it).

I reeeally like the Ghost Bear pattern. I was hoping to color it to appear as a cracked-lava sort of pattern.

[Jetfire]

Email just received today saying they will update it in the new year due to popular demand.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Prussian, there is such a thing as polls showing a cross section of any one group of people's views, IE a poll of 5% of the people showing, in this case so far via the poll, 100% approval of unlocking the camo colours, has a certain +/- accuracy representing 100% of the people. That's how cross sections actually work, unless perhaps you wear a tinfoil hat.

Also, sorry but I have to be honest with you here: I'm laughing at you for suggesting that unlocking colours for the Wave II FC skins would somehow negatively impact the gameplay experience and / or aggravate people who were unaware of the situation here on the forums.

Seriously, drop the tin foil hattery, it does the opposite of helping your position. Most of us here can agree to disagree but you are taking it way too personally, and way too far.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 10 December 2014 - 06:55 PM.