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[Achilles59]

I need to vent about my crabs here for a second.

I don't really understand why I'm so bloody freaking vulnerable. According to the lore, the KGC is one of the toughest brawlers out there, yet whenever I play not like some medium dedicated sniper, I get cored or torsos blown off almost instantly. It's like 2 or 3 volleys = dead.

Even torso twisting, everything hits my CT and you're so slow you can't reposition at all.

I don't understand this BS and it's really sapping the fun from my games. Yeah I know it's a sniper meta and I should hill/corner peek for the first 200 minutes of a match until I can engage alongside 5 of my allies in a perfect-world scenario, but really that never happens.

If you play like a brawler, at all, you get instantly killed. I have max armor and several different builds, thought 4 ERLL's and some SRM's would be pretty powerful, but even after some sniping and when the brawl starts, I get instantly critted and explode like I'm a medium mech and wind up doing sub-300 damage. I get destroyed by stormcrows, I get destroyed by ebon jags, I get destroyed by pretty much everything on the battlefield unless I run away or stay in the back or snipe or hide all match.

What in the hell? That's not the assault I want to play.

[TheLuc]

that is the setup i play, http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2342ac124803898

I group my weapons as one AC20 fires with one med laser, another button for the second AC20 with the med laser that is left, plus a LRM10 to get kill assists from a distance.

the KGC is not meant to lead a push. best way to join the party is to be late, so to empty the LRM before going in is really what got me going.

to note that the KGC will always be a primary target for the opponent. to keep cover and waiting for and opportunity is crucial

[zudukai]

LeVa, on 20 February 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

Ok, so you're saying that basically I should drop the XL engine and go for the biggest ST?

As well as drop the missiles and go for as many Energy weapons as I can fit?

yes and no, you want to focus on the primary goal of the build, in this instance the mech is the king crab, and the profile has multiple ballistic points, some missile points and some energy, i like big guns so we chose a pair AC/20s. that's 28 tons! nice, 40 ppfld e.t.c, that's going to be what you are going to be doing most of your work with, good, you're a big bad king crab and we're getting shot often at the rated 300 meters range the cannons are wanting to be at, and lights are not exactly easy to hit with the large slug, so streaks are tempting but your primary function is not hunting lights. so we put weapons that the AC/20 works well with, it's got a low rate of fire, a comparatively slow projectile, that hits for large damage to one location for medium heat with two.

we want the high damage spike, that puts big holes in things, we want a quick rate of fire, which the AC/20 does not really have but that's why we have two, and we only have 500m effective range, look for similar traits like these in weapons if you feel you need more damage up front, more engine for better ability to close range, more armor to face mechs in the range we are in, more cooling to keep shooting the weapons we have.

mechs take as little as with 36 (locust) - 180 (atlas) damage to as much as 574 if you were an atlas, and your entire upper body took damage everywhere.

so back again to the backup weapons, our king crab has missiles, missiles are front loaded, and can hit for fairly high damage with medium heat, we also have lasers, more heat, medium damage, with more duration then the other weapons, but also less tonnage.

SRMS closely align with the AC/20 (can you tell me what values?) lasers don't, but can compensate for the lack of range, however too much focus on that ranged profile will likely hurt your ability to survive in a short range brawl situation.

try different combinations focusing on a key element of the mech, be it jump jets, alpha strikes, speed or DPS, and try to compliment whatever you choose to focus on.

Edited by zudukai, 02 March 2016 - 03:41 AM.

[Exilyth]

I currently run

3x ERLL, 3x SRM6, 4x MG on the KGC-000B (w/310STD engine, DHS)
Nope, changed to 2x Gauss, ERLL

and

6x AC2, 1x ERLL on the KGC-000 (w/300STD engine, Endo, Ferro, DHS - comes out at 0 slots left )


For the KGC-0000 - at the moment, I've got 3 ERLL, 4 A-SRM6 (3t ammo), 2 MGs (1t ammo), full armor, filled up with DHS. Having people try and shoot out the ST with the SRM makes the ERLL last a little longer. I'll have to work on positioning some more, had some pretty bad games where I got focussed down in seconds. Then again, I'm still shaking my head over that 7 kills game I just had in this build.

Tried out 4x LRM5, 2x ERLL, TAG, filled up with ammo. People usually do not expect an LRM boat to carry that much direct fire punch. While this loadout makes being slow less of an issue, sitting around near the back and firing at doritos gets boring fast.

I've tested 4x MPL, 4x A-SRM6. Might actually try an xl engine with that. Cracked open two KGC CTs on TT. Still, I feel the lack of long range weaponry might not be worth it.

Ok, now it's 3x LPL, 4x A-SRM4 and a beefed up std engine.

By the way: I've completely mastered my king crabs now.

Edited by Exilyth, 26 March 2016 - 04:28 PM.

[Sentinel373]

i think the king crab is the most beautiful and most fun mech in the game.

I primarily run the 000B variant

My current and favorite loadout consists of
4x U/AC5
12 tons of ammo
2x medium laserrs
standard 310 engine
2x case
and max armor everywhere except the legs

i average around 700 dmg and 2 to 3 kills per match.
It's slow and getting caught out in the open can be a problem for you with this build so move with your team mates whenever you can. also the uacs chew through armor like no ones business so when your barraging an enemy mech just make sure you aim for the torso. and only use your lasers if your guns are jammed.using your lasers during a barrage will overheat you in no time.

Edited by Sentinel373, 27 March 2016 - 07:30 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Achilles59, on 01 March 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

I need to vent about my crabs here for a second.

I don't really understand why I'm so bloody freaking vulnerable. According to the lore, the KGC is one of the toughest brawlers out there, yet whenever I play not like some medium dedicated sniper, I get cored or torsos blown off almost instantly. It's like 2 or 3 volleys = dead.

Even torso twisting, everything hits my CT and you're so slow you can't reposition at all.

I don't understand this BS and it's really sapping the fun from my games. Yeah I know it's a sniper meta and I should hill/corner peek for the first 200 minutes of a match until I can engage alongside 5 of my allies in a perfect-world scenario, but really that never happens.

If you play like a brawler, at all, you get instantly killed. I have max armor and several different builds, thought 4 ERLL's and some SRM's would be pretty powerful, but even after some sniping and when the brawl starts, I get instantly critted and explode like I'm a medium mech and wind up doing sub-300 damage. I get destroyed by stormcrows, I get destroyed by ebon jags, I get destroyed by pretty much everything on the battlefield unless I run away or stay in the back or snipe or hide all match.

What in the hell? That's not the assault I want to play.

well you have to be aware of where you are and what your teams doing, it is a tough mech and because its dangerous it will get focus fired at so you never go alone and best to be with other assaults and heavies.

Going Rambo alone means you'll fail rapidly.

I don't know if this is the case, as you haven't mentioned the situations you get into, so I'm speaking from experience.

Even great brawlers need friends

[Aethermech]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b6386daac886c4d
I know I shouldn't post this build but it's been a blast to play sometimes while doing the mastery grind on Crabby. I don't really suggest anyone try it unless you want a big giggle and then die almost directly afterwards. On a side note you can chainfire the erppc's for a surprising amount of time before you have to stop and cooldown. I've been working on a build for the 0000 and my new 000b(s) but I always seem to get bottlenecked for slots before I get it where I want. Heaven forbid they do a IIC kingcrab. mmmm 2 slots DHS and Uac10's

[Ingga Raokai]

Aethermech, on 09 April 2016 - 04:53 PM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b6386daac886c4d
I know I shouldn't post this build but it's been a blast to play sometimes while doing the mastery grind on Crabby. I don't really suggest anyone try it unless you want a big giggle and then die almost directly afterwards. On a side note you can chainfire the erppc's for a surprising amount of time before you have to stop and cooldown. I've been working on a build for the 0000 and my new 000b(s) but I always seem to get bottlenecked for slots before I get it where I want. Heaven forbid they do a IIC kingcrab. mmmm 2 slots DHS and Uac10's

you don't need those arms, right? that's like 4 tons of something else

[zudukai]

Ingga Raokai, on 09 April 2016 - 05:19 PM, said:

you don't need those arms, right? that's like 4 tons of something else

you could drop armor from the left arm to 1, drop the right arm to ~17 and add 3 more DHS and 1/2 ton of AMS.

or drop the arm to ~33, drop the AMS for BAP and 3 DHS.. if you want.

Edited by zudukai, 09 April 2016 - 07:58 PM.

[=E X E C U T O R=]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...7e72e0d758fd5dc

[Aethermech]

Here is the build i'm gonna try to get used to playing on my 0000.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...353fbc6dc5f5b9e
Should play like a crab shaped atlas. Or at least I'm hoping it will. Trick will be baiting the opponents into twisting back into the srm's and the dual AC/10.

[ImperialKnight]

0000
000 (also works for 000B)

[Raso]

So a King Crab has always been on my list but the changes to it's ballistics quirks intrigue me a bit but the energy quirks on the 3rd variants confuse me. How viable or vital are the energy mounts on a King Crab? I know they're high mounted but I always thought it's ballistic slots were it's major hitting force. Can a set of pulse lasers effectively complement the King Crab's ballistics? Maybe dual Gauss or AC10s with LPSs or some similar combination?

[MisterPlanetarian]

2x Guass with 2-3 ERLL's or 4xUAC/AC 5 with ML's are the most common builds.

The big problem with 2x AC20's imo is the space to weight ratio, Gauss are more friendly in that regard and it makes you less vulnurable on large maps.

[Digital_Angel]

Raso, on 19 April 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

So a King Crab has always been on my list but the changes to it's ballistics quirks intrigue me a bit but the energy quirks on the 3rd variants confuse me. How viable or vital are the energy mounts on a King Crab? I know they're high mounted but I always thought it's ballistic slots were it's major hitting force. Can a set of pulse lasers effectively complement the King Crab's ballistics? Maybe dual Gauss or AC10s with LPSs or some similar combination?

I play my KGCs A LOT.

When I do a 2xAC20 build I use LLs and sometimes a single LRM5 on the energy/missile mounts to give me some ranged capabilities.

When I build 2xGauss the energy mounts are usually full of MLs to give me some close up capabilities for thsoe pesky lights that come hunt me down.

When I run 4xAC5, it is usually MLs and maybe a single LRM5 for some indirect capability as I get into position for the fight.


My KGC-0000 often stays setup as a ERLL and LRM boat. People give me grief over running it, especially as I've climbed tiers some, but I save it mostly for the occasional fun match or for events. KMDDs and damage output from a 100 ton artillery platform wrack up.

I have run the KGC-0000 with 4xMPLs and 4xSRM4/6 and a couple MGs before and it makes for a nasty brawler, if you can survive long enough to get in that close.

[Snowbluff]

How many Large Pulse laser builds do you guys do?

[Windscape]

i run a 2 a20 2 lpl build on my 000 if that counts as a lpl build

[TheLuc]

LadyDanams, on 20 April 2016 - 06:29 AM, said:

I play my KGCs A LOT.

When I do a 2xAC20 build I use LLs and sometimes a single LRM5 on the energy/missile mounts to give me some ranged capabilities.

When I build 2xGauss the energy mounts are usually full of MLs to give me some close up capabilities for thsoe pesky lights that come hunt me down.

When I run 4xAC5, it is usually MLs and maybe a single LRM5 for some indirect capability as I get into position for the fight.


My KGC-0000 often stays setup as a ERLL and LRM boat. People give me grief over running it, especially as I've climbed tiers some, but I save it mostly for the occasional fun match or for events. KMDDs and damage output from a 100 ton artillery platform wrack up.

I have run the KGC-0000 with 4xMPLs and 4xSRM4/6 and a couple MGs before and it makes for a nasty brawler, if you can survive long enough to get in that close.

Now that is someone who knows how to build Mechs, kudos to you MeeLady

[The Lost Boy]

On my 0000 this works for me.

Std 350,
4 lpl
Ams, 1 ton of ammo,
Endo
23 dhs
Make the armor how youd like.

Those high mounts are great.
It has great duration and cooldown quirk.
1st weapon group is chainfire.
2 nd is the 3 topmost firing together.
Group 3 is alpha. Dont use it much cuz of ghost heat.
400m optimum range with module.
32.5% cooldown quirk and module
Its solid. You have a whole shield side. Go 61 with tweak, and on a cold map can fire the lpl forever. Even in terra you can pump out fire in the center.

[Ryan256]

I am considering getting a King Crab as my second mech. A bit of background I have been running a TBR-Prime the past few months. I alternate between 2 loadouts.
One for LRMS:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...bce45f019f10d9b
And a PPC sniper.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...63f870a9ab5af13

Here are the 2 loadouts I've put together:

SRM - ERLL
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f9ff5b7f0d58bef

LRM - MPL
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f5d1039c32f63ff

The main difference in the 2 is the choice of long range weapon. One uses two ER large lasers for poking at the enemy. The other uses three LRM5s to bring the missle spam and cockpit shake while I am closing the distance.
Thougths and recommendations from other King Crab pilots??
Thanks