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[Knightcrawler]

Ax2Grind, on 31 December 2014 - 02:25 AM, said:

Thanks for the good words.

Well, strategically for us it wasn't a distraction. We had already wrapped up our IS world, and were getting nothing but pug matches that were less than thrilling when they did try to defend it. What it became at that point was an excellent way to get a fast match against a tougher enemy.

Why is skirmishing and using an attack lane that PGI gave us for this game mode lame? Technically, no cease fire exists. It is an abstract concept between a few groups. Despite it being abstract and technically non-binding, MS has given the cease fire a serious nod for the most part and have even gone so far as to post to announce and communicate about any attacks, such as the proposal to Wolf to get the attack lane moved (all just a theory of course, since PGI programming might not grant us the lane we imagine). I'd say that kind of communication is the opposite of lame. But if you get right to the bottom of what people are flipping out about, this game mode allows for an attack on that lane, it's part of the game, and if a group decides to use it it is neither trolling or disrespectful. It's playing the game. I can certainly respect that you would like the border to remain quiet. It's not like a war on Wolf was declared by CGB. This is a border skirmish.

I am not sure if there is any better of a controlled environment either for these battles. Seems to me it's a perfect vehicle for it. If Wolf and Bear get their IS attack lane attacks maxed, then why not enjoy a border skirmish where we get to hone our tactics and earn some good CW money?

And not that it matters but for the others that think "fun" is about saving face..I posted this was for fun before the attacks began.

Merc units can switch sides at will, so their long-term goals are fundamentally different than loyalist units. And I'm sure you're aware that you attacked us before our Ras target attack lane was maxed out, so let's not pretend about that. And even if we did both max our Ras targets out, what about hypothetical Kuritan and Steiner targets? And even if we max those out, it's not like they're going to sit on their hands and let their territory fall in the final hours.

It's been an annoyance to us in Clan Wolf that we've had to deal with 3 separate, unprovoked, organized attempts at our space over the past several weeks from merc units that their clans can deny responsibility for. This much should be obvious. Smoke Jaguar had to deal with something similar at the very start, but that has not resumed and will hopefully stay over.

I'm not the most well-versed on BattleTech lore, so there are probably exceptions to what I am about to say. But what I referred to is lame because while clans did feud with each other, they didn't hire outside units to attack someone else for them. Clans wouldn't hire mercs... they'd probably hunt them down. It doesn't make sense for an IS unit to temporarily become a clan unit and yet not obey that clan, or for a merc unit to operate in Clan space, or for an IS resistance unit to be supported by the Clans themselves. However you like to translate these actions into something more "canon," it's nonsensical. Personally I'd rather defend against an IS push on our front, and not because I think it'd be easier (because it wouldn't be).

If any of this came across as angry or belittling, that was not the intention. It's just the way I write. Like I said, they're good games. And I can only hope that I and my trothkin will improve our skills at an accelerated rate as a result.

If you want a more formal or productive discussion, I'm sure you could always speak to any of the clans' leadership. I'm just a Warrior, and there are some topics I have had to avoid.

I've long since given up trying to save face... at least I like to think so. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. That's all there is to it. ;-)

Edited by Knightcrawler, 31 December 2014 - 10:37 PM.

[ApolloKaras]

Also to kinda build on this. You all are aware that this map will reset in a few months. Nothing we are doing here is permanent. It's a trial run. PGI will see whats going wrong, fix what needs to be fixed then move on. I think its not a bad idea to look at these mechanics and see where the mechanics start to break down. The number of planets one holds is really trivial, its only good to hold an attack lane. If we're all going by lore which I know some LOVE to do, its already broke. We're not supposed to be as far as we are anyway.

[Knightcrawler]

Sorry Saxie, that presumption has nothing to back it. The question on that topic was asked in the last Town Hall.

[IraqiWalker]

Knightcrawler, on 31 December 2014 - 10:45 PM, said:

Sorry Saxie, that presumption has nothing to back it. The question on that topic was asked in the last Town Hall.

Russ confirmed in a tweet that the reset is a possibility. With the main two conditions for it to be really considered being:

A- The clans push too far too fast (which honestly has more to do with IS players only defending and NOT attacking GRRRRR

B- The players will be polled, and the result could determine it.

[Knightcrawler]

Yeah, I knew about the first one. The second one I probably wiped from my memory on purpose: "Do-overs!" It's a possibility, but many people out there act as if it's a certainty. Frankly, CW would be better off building a history.

[ApolloKaras]

Knightcrawler, on 31 December 2014 - 11:15 PM, said:

Yeah, I knew about the first one. The second one I probably wiped from my memory on purpose: "Do-overs!" It's a possibility, but many people out there act as if it's a certainty. Frankly, CW would be better off building a history.

You'll have a tough time convincing the hard core lore folk of that.

[IraqiWalker]

Saxie, on 01 January 2015 - 12:33 AM, said:

You'll have a tough time convincing the hard core lore folk of that.

Those guys should be having cardiac arrest right now, if they will be upset about that. The entirety of CW is stated to be an alternate reality. If there's a do over We might get a three way alliance with Davion, Marik, and Steiner. Which never existed in the lore. Clan Wolf signed a short term Cease-fire with Steiner. If they haven't choked on the froth from rage over that, they would with any new political developments that might happen.

Also, notice how CSJ has a solid chance of never invading Luthien? Can you imagine what would happen to them if the Battle of Luthien NEVER happened?

Edited by IraqiWalker, 01 January 2015 - 12:42 AM.

[LastKhan]

indeed, and Clan Nova Cat not leaving the clans all together Its quite nice to just be a different universe.

[Ax2Grind]

Knightcrawler, on 31 December 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Merc units can switch sides at will, so their long-term goals are fundamentally different than loyalist units. And I'm sure you're aware that you attacked us before our Ras target attack lane was maxed out, so let's not pretend about that. And even if we did both max our Ras targets out, what about hypothetical Kuritan and Steiner targets? And even if we max those out, it's not like they're going to sit on their hands and let their territory fall in the final hours.

It's been an annoyance to us in Clan Wolf that we've had to deal with 3 separate, unprovoked, organized attempts at our space over the past several weeks from merc units that their clans can deny responsibility for. This much should be obvious. Smoke Jaguar had to deal with something similar at the very start, but that has not resumed and will hopefully stay over.

I'm not the most well-versed on BattleTech lore, so there are probably exceptions to what I am about to say. But what I referred to is lame because while clans did feud with each other, they didn't hire outside units to attack someone else for them. Clans wouldn't hire mercs... they'd probably hunt them down. It doesn't make sense for an IS unit to temporarily become a clan unit and yet not obey that clan, or for a merc unit to operate in Clan space, or for an IS resistance unit to be supported by the Clans themselves. However you like to translate these actions into something more "canon," it's nonsensical. Personally I'd rather defend against an IS push on our front, and not because I think it'd be easier (because it wouldn't be).

If any of this came across as angry or belittling, that was not the intention. It's just the way I write. Like I said, they're good games. And I can only hope that I and my trothkin will improve our skills at an accelerated rate as a result.

If you want a more formal or productive discussion, I'm sure you could always speak to any of the clans' leadership. I'm just a Warrior, and there are some topics I have had to avoid.

I've long since given up trying to save face... at least I like to think so. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. That's all there is to it. ;-)

I get that your frustrated, but I think you still miss my point...whether you wanted the attack or not there is no actual mechanic in place that is being side stepped to create the attack. It's not trolling, or exploiting anything to take part in the game as it currently stands. I can understand that you may not like that options exist like the one in question (an attack lane between wolf and bear) and I agree with you in a sense...I wanted that attack lane to be on our Kurita border. However I am not pulling an RP/lore anything, simply extending the hand of camaraderie and NOT taking myself too seriously. Bear is still mainly focused on our attacks with FRR...and when we have the time, we look for a border skirmish with Wolf (since there have been little to no need to defend any of the Clan planets from IS). Consider for a moment how focused on the planet MS has been...when there are no defenders have we continued to attack turrets? No. We let it sit at 6% all day yesterday. However GB did make sure to take our FRR target. It is the priority after all. I am simply suggesting Wolf might want to engage a similar policy since they are unwilling to attack Steiner (wish we had an attack lane into Steiner...) of focusing on their FRR planet (and taking it...seriously ; ) and then enjoying Skirmishes on their GB planet when they have the time. We might even want to get organized about it and maybe hold the CGB/CW games where we pit units against each other on the planet!

Keep it fun I say!

With all due respect,

~Ax

[Khomeini]

Ax2Grind, on 01 January 2015 - 01:26 AM, said:

I get that your frustrated, but I think you still miss my point...whether you wanted the attack or not there is no actual mechanic in place that is being side stepped to create the attack. It's not trolling, or exploiting anything to take part in the game as it currently stands. I can understand that you may not like that options exist like the one in question (an attack lane between wolf and bear) and I agree with you in a sense...I wanted that attack lane to be on our Kurita border. However I am not pulling an RP/lore anything, simply extending the hand of camaraderie and NOT taking myself too seriously. Bear is still mainly focused on our attacks with FRR...and when we have the time, we look for a border skirmish with Wolf (since there have been little to no need to defend any of the Clan planets from IS). Consider for a moment how focused on the planet MS has been...when there are no defenders have we continued to attack turrets? No. We let it sit at 6% all day yesterday. However GB did make sure to take our FRR target. It is the priority after all. I am simply suggesting Wolf might want to engage a similar policy since they are unwilling to attack Steiner (wish we had an attack lane into Steiner...) of focusing on their FRR planet (and taking it...seriously ; ) and then enjoying Skirmishes on their GB planet when they have the time. We might even want to get organized about it and maybe hold the CGB/CW games where we pit units against each other on the planet!

Keep it fun I say!

With all due respect,

~Ax

This could work and be very welcome. Honestly it seems CGB is on earlier than wolf is.

[Kyle Wright]

Khomeini, on 01 January 2015 - 01:58 AM, said:

This could work and be very welcome. Honestly it seems CGB is on earlier than wolf is.

I agree friendly border skirmishes would be great. I have my doubts though that MS, CI, and all the random turncoat units would be cordial. There was really no issue when it was STS and CGBI doing our Bear thing cause we stuck to who we are as people. Within the last 4 hours majority of STS members have expressed discussed with the not only the cease fire bein broken, but the amount of spit talking that has been done by teams that just joined in the last week. And I'm not just saying the talk against the enemy team, I'm talking about the blatant spit talking to units like STS by their own teammates that think they are PUG Allstars cause they rocked their elo bracket. having people in a faction like that will only cause issues. And unlike real life cant kick people out so there you go.




AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL YOU WAR MONGERING HEATHENS LOL!

Edited by Kyle Wright, 01 January 2015 - 03:33 AM.

[KuroNyra]

Noesis, on 01 January 2015 - 03:50 AM, said:

{Redacted]

Less and less funny. They could even be insulting in fact.

Edited by John Wolf, 06 January 2015 - 07:19 AM.
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[Red Legs Greaves]

Kyle Wright, on 01 January 2015 - 02:11 AM, said:

I agree friendly border skirmishes would be great. I have my doubts though that MS, CI, and all the random turncoat units would be cordial. There was really no issue when it was STS and CGBI doing our Bear thing cause we stuck to who we are as people. Within the last 4 hours majority of STS members have expressed discussed with the not only the cease fire bein broken, but the amount of spit talking that has been done by teams that just joined in the last week. And I'm not just saying the talk against the enemy team, I'm talking about the blatant spit talking to units like STS by their own teammates that think they are PUG Allstars cause they rocked their elo bracket. having people in a faction like that will only cause issues. And unlike real life cant kick people out so there you go.




AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL YOU WAR MONGERING HEATHENS LOL!

I think it is funny that when one of you thinks it is alright to attack another clan it is fine and dandy. But a smaller clan or merc unit does it and all of sudden it's blasphemy. It doesn't amount to anything but since we didn't consult our wolf and bear masters our birthdays are canceled and they threaten to take the keys to our mechs

[LastKhan]

Noesis, on 01 January 2015 - 03:50 AM, said:

[Redacted]

You must be really butthurt about the ceasefire. Why do you even care? that just means we're going to get to terra first.

Edited by John Wolf, 06 January 2015 - 07:19 AM.
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[sandworm16]

Guys, his pictures add nothing to the current conversation and I would assume are only posted to elicit a reaction (read: trolling). Just ignore them and move on.

[KuroNyra]

sandworm16, on 01 January 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

Guys, his pictures add nothing to the current conversation and I would assume are only posted to elicit a reaction (read: trolling). Just ignore them and move on.

Ignore Noesis?
Hum... Nah, it's just to hilarious to watch him cry.

[Pariah Devalis]

KuroNyra, on 01 January 2015 - 09:20 AM, said:

Ignore Noesis?
Hum... Nah, it's just to hilarious to watch him cry.

I rather just refer to this: http://mwomercs.com/conduct

Specifically this:

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SPAMMING OR TROLLING


This category includes:

• Excessively communicating the same phrase, similar phrases, or pure gibberish
  
• Creating threads for the sole purpose of causing unrest on the forums
  
• Causing disturbances in forum threads, such as picking fights, making off topic posts that ruin the thread, insulting other posters
  
• Making non-constructive posts
  
• Abusing the Reported Post feature by sending false alarms or nonsensical messages
  
• Numbering a thread, IBTL, TLDR, or any other fad statements

If a player is found to have participated in such actions, he/she will:

• Be given a temporary or permanent ban from the forums, depending upon severity

From what I have seen, he puts too much effort in "causing disturbances in forum threads, such as picking fights." It is like he thinks we cannot see the obvious.

Hell, at this point, the thread has been so entirely derailed from its original intent, it now seems to revolve around him, which is probably an ego boost for the guy.

I rather just not actually respond to the guy, and hit that handy dandy report function. You all do realize it is in the power of the community to help steer people (or the community as a whole) to actually being better, right? Just gotta let the mods do their work, but for that to happen we need to draw attention to problems.

Edit:

Oh, and no. I do not believe this particular post is in violation of "DISCUSSING DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS." Do not even go there. Not discussing actions done to an individual. Simply stating our responsibility as a community to exercise the report function when relevant.

That said, I would love it if the thread actually went back on topic. That is, if there is anything more to say. Is there a cease fire? Perhaps. My concern is simply that we focus on the Inner Sphere front and not each other. Not much point to it. I would very much like to continue crafting this alternate reality of the Battletech universe where the Clans actually succeed. Or, at least, get a hell of a lot closer.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 01 January 2015 - 09:39 AM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Report him and/or use the forum ignore feature to no longer have to worry about his posts if you consider them inane and/or disruptive.

That's one of my favorite features of this forum...the ability to just turn some people "off" for the foreseeable future as they add little constructive thought to the discourse.

[KuroNyra]

Pariah Devalis, on 01 January 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

I rather just refer to this: http://mwomercs.com/conduct

Specifically this:






From what I have seen, he puts too much effort in "causing disturbances in forum threads, such as picking fights." It is like he thinks we cannot see the obvious.

Hell, at this point, the thread has been so entirely derailed from its original intent, it now seems to revolve around him, which is probably an ego boost for the guy.

I rather just not actually respond to the guy, and hit that handy dandy report function. You all do realize it is in the power of the community to help steer people (or the community as a whole) to actually being better, right? Just gotta let the mods do their work, but for that to happen we need to draw attention to problems.

Edit:

Oh, and no. I do not believe this particular post is in violation of "DISCUSSING DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS." Do not even go there. Not discussing actions done to an individual. Simply stating our responsibility as a community to exercise the report function when relevant.

That said, I would love it if the thread actually went back on topic. That is, if there is anything more to say. Is there a cease fire? Perhaps. My concern is simply that we focus on the Inner Sphere front and not each other. Not much point to it. I would very much like to continue crafting this alternate reality of the Battletech universe where the Clans actually succeed. Or, at least, get a hell of a lot closer.

Ho, he will take sanction after a moment.
I keep reporting each provocative post he make. The question is not:
"Does he gonna get a sanction?"
But
"When will he get a sanction?"


With Hybrid Black and Him. We have a good duo of wannabe-troll. Sadly, they are both using Clan Ghost Bear for there profil.

[CyclonerM]

Saxie, on 01 January 2015 - 12:33 AM, said:

You'll have a tough time convincing the hard core lore folk of that.

It is impossible to follow exactly the lore battles, so i prefer to craft this alternate reality while respecting the foundations of the lore and the events and decisions prior 3049. I would hate a reset, and the possibility of having one is not nearly as sure as many seem to think..