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[Bishop Steiner]

Sereglach, on 09 January 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

Awesome. Thank you for that. I don't possess the April Fool's books (never desired them) so was taking AppleseeN at his word that the TRO1945 book is the book he was pulling those weapons from. Regardless, it's thoroughly established that the weapons are non-canon and ineligible for use in MWO.

...well......

"Canonicity

Previous April Fools publications were always tongue-in-cheek publications that were not canon. This is notably different for XTRO:1945 though, since the Second World War is part of BattleTech history as well (with BattleTech history deviating from real history only around the year 1986). Because of the essentially nonfictional content, all units and people mentioned within XTRO:1945 are inherently canonical.

XTRO:1945 was confirmed as "Pretty canon", with the caveat that its canonicity "might sharply drop" if the material was found to create inconsistencies with established canon, or "if it's used as a crutch to make a point about BT weaponry functionality in the 31st century".

Line Developer Herbert A. Beas II himself described it as "pseudo-canon", pointing out that the BattleTech universe is not, in fact, our real world."

It is and it isn't is we're talking what's actually in the TRO..... But it certainly isn't if we are talking about Super Heavy WizBang Rifles like this AppleseeN guy, apparently.

But...honestly...at this point... can we get to a different topic...like... IDK...anything else, lol?

[CK16]

Sure, topic. Why do people still cling to a time line even though Russ keeps saying no time line, but also won't break out past 3053 for orginal chassis date. Even though no time line and all about the tech >.<

(Yes it is suppose to sound this confusing)

Edited by CK16, 09 January 2017 - 10:25 AM.

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 09 January 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

Sure, topic. Why do people still cling to a time line even though Russ keeps saying no time line, but also won't break out past 3053 for orginal chassis date. Even though no time line and all about the tech >.<

(Yes it is suppose to sound this confusing)

Because PGI either lacks the ability to or the will to implement new equipment that is rather important to mechs post 3053... I'd love to have the IS knock offs of clan kit like UAC/2/10/20, LB/2/5/20, ERML, ERSL and SSRM/4/6... it would be a lot easier to balance isERML vs cERML than it is isMLas vs cERML... with out the need for quirks that more or less turn the isMLas into the isERML...

[AppleseeN]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 January 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

...well......

"Canonicity

That is the thing... about CANON... we got totaly NON CANON nerfed C-ERPPC, we got "so comfortable" time barrier 3053 instead of 3068. Which would allow IS get their hands on some good bang-per-buck weapons, and Clans'll have their own nice kit instead of mix-tech.

Let's remember talks about BLAZER? Where is binnary laser cannon? That's is how CANON is MWO. Wanna be CANON, bring all the guns and platforms'ere than!!!

Edited by AppleseeN, 09 January 2017 - 11:10 AM.

[Sereglach]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 January 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Canonicity
*snip*

Just for consideration, since you brought up that nit-pick: Look up mentions of that book on their own bg.battletech forums. You'll find threads where people were arguing with the developers on the canonicity and compatibility concerns of the April Fools books with Battletech as a whole (some were demanding how to implement quad-mounts on a mech for crit saving purposes, for example). Those threads are also all locked, with the developers making it perfectly clear that those April Fools books are NOT to be considered canon and are just gag-books made for sheer amusement.

They long since passed the point of "might sharply drop" in canonicity. Several developers had made comments on those threads about lamenting the creation of the books and why they have done them so rarely . . . those exact arguments, stemming from people taking content in the books as some form of canon.

Metus regem, on 09 January 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

Because PGI either lacks the ability to or the will to implement new equipment that is rather important to mechs post 3053... I'd love to have the IS knock offs of clan kit like UAC/2/10/20, LB/2/5/20, ERML, ERSL and SSRM/4/6... it would be a lot easier to balance isERML vs cERML than it is isMLas vs cERML... with out the need for quirks that more or less turn the isMLas into the isERML...

This was brought up to Russ again pretty recently (I believe it was something on twitter, but it may have been one of the Mech Con streamed Q&A questions right before the presentations). If I'm not mistaken, the word put out by Russ was that the reason they're not adding any more weapons/equipment to the game, right now, is they want the game to have balance in a more "satisfactory state" before they proceed with any other equipment.

Of course, that leaves things in a very precarious or dubious position for when anything could be added (admittedly a pretty good cop-out for an indefinite timeline). However, Russ admitted to recently hiring someone whose sole purpose is gameplay balance . . . so it might not be entirely out of reality to see more gear added to MWO in the not-too-distant future. I wouldn't get my hopes up, though.

Edited by Sereglach, 09 January 2017 - 11:26 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

AppleseeN, on 09 January 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

That is the thing... about CANON... we got totaly NON CANON nerfed C-ERPPC, we got "so comfortable" time barrier 3053 instead of 3068. Which would allow IS get their hands on some good bang-per-buck weapons, and Clans'll have their own nice kit instead of mix-tech.

Let's remember talks about BLAZER? Where is binnary laser cannon? That's is how CANON is MWO. Wanna be CANON, bring all the guns and platforms'ere than!!!

[AppleseeN]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 January 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

Bishop! U son of an... Catapult!!! Don't use ma pic, against me. Grrrrrrrrrr!!!

[Bishop Steiner]

Sereglach, on 09 January 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

Just for consideration, since you brought up that nit-pick: Look up mentions of that book on their own bg.battletech forums. You'll find threads where people were arguing with the developers on the canonicity and compatibility concerns of the April Fools books with Battletech as a whole (some were demanding how to implement quad-mounts on a mech for crit saving purposes, for example). Those threads are also all locked, with the developers making it perfectly clear that those April Fools books are NOT to be considered canon and are just gag-books made for sheer amusement.

They long since passed the point of "might sharply drop" in canonicity. Several developers had made comments on those threads about lamenting the creation of the books and why they have done them so rarely . . . those exact arguments, stemming from people taking content in the books as some form of canon.



This was brought up to Russ again pretty recently (I believe it was something on twitter, but it may have been one of the Mech Con streamed Q&A questions right before the presentations). If I'm not mistaken, the word put out by Russ was that the reason they're not adding any more weapons/equipment to the game, right now, is they want the game to have balance in a more "satisfactory state" before they proceed with any other equipment.

Of course, that leaves things in a very precarious or dubious position for when anything could be added (admittedly a pretty good cop-out for an indefinite timeline). However, Russ admitted to recently hiring someone whose sole purpose is gameplay balance . . . so it might not be entirely out of reality to see more gear added to MWO in the not-too-distant future. I wouldn't get my hopes up, though.

The difference? In this instance it is the Game Line Developer who has stated the 1945 XTRO was NOT the same as the previous. There are these things called exceptions. Call it a nitpick...I call it the Devs disagreeing with you, in this instance (mostly, apparently)

What bearing it actually has ON THIS GAME?

Essentially none. Especially since the Video Game Franchise is itself, specifically NOT CANON.

I mean... THIS is Canon, for cripes sake....
http://www.sarna.net...Phantom_%27Mech

AppleseeN, on 09 January 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

Bishop! U son of an... Catapult!!! Don't use ma pic, against me. Grrrrrrrrrr!!!

LOL...sorry, too good to pass.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 09 January 2017 - 11:46 AM.

[Zergling]

It's pretty obvious the XTRO1945 weapons were never intended to be fitted to normal Battletech units.

Eg, the ranges are very long, which either conflicts with the much shorter ranges of regular Battletech weapons, or the ranges are for the AtoW RPG (which has different range scale, IIRC).

Then the 8.8cm clearly outclasses the Medium Rifle in every way, even against regular BAR 10 armor; it'd do 4 points of damage against BAR 10, while weighing just 4 tons and having 40 shots per ton of ammo, versus the Medium Rifle doing 3 points of damage against BAR 10, while weighing 5 tons and having just 9 shots per ton of ammo.

And the weapons don't have any heat figures listed.

[Karl Streiger]

Sereglach, on 09 January 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

This was brought up to Russ again pretty recently (I believe it was something on twitter, but it may have been one of the Mech Con streamed Q&A questions right before the presentations). If I'm not mistaken, the word put out by Russ was that the reason they're not adding any more weapons/equipment to the game, right now, is they want the game to have balance in a more "satisfactory state" before they proceed with any other equipment.

well - ok when you have the IS ER M Laser - nobody might use it because this extra range is not worth the extra heat - I mean this is not TableTop - a range bracket of 4/8/12 is a great advantage when compared to 3/6/9 - especialy in the medium range bracket.
PGI did the fatal mistake to ignore the range brackets as well as to missunderstood the reasons of engine weight and armor distribution, not to mention the scaling of the heat system

[Metus regem]

Karl Streiger, on 10 January 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

well - ok when you have the IS ER M Laser - nobody might use it because this extra range is not worth the extra heat - I mean this is not TableTop - a range bracket of 4/8/12 is a great advantage when compared to 3/6/9 - especialy in the medium range bracket.
PGI did the fatal mistake to ignore the range brackets as well as to missunderstood the reasons of engine weight and armor distribution, not to mention the scaling of the heat system

I don't know about that, 270m (MLas) vs 360m (isERML) sounds worth the 2 extra heat to me....

[CK16]

So how has no one figured this out and said anything.

The MC-MkII-2 can do anything the Scorch can and then some....the monster this thing could be o.O

[Bishop Steiner]

Zergling, on 09 January 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

And the weapons don't have any heat figures listed.

because vehicles don't have heat. And because these weapons are so primitive don't even exist anymore, so there is no point. Doesn't make them canon or not canon.

CK16, on 10 January 2017 - 06:18 AM, said:

So how has no one figured this out and said anything.

The [redacted] can do anything the Scorch can and then some....the monster this thing could be o.O

I'm sorry the moment you mention [redacted] all I see is

Metus regem, on 10 January 2017 - 05:48 AM, said:

I don't know about that, 270m (MLas) vs 360m (isERML) sounds worth the 2 extra heat to me....

not really... there is a reason you see so many long range guns...or Small Lasers and SRMs in this game. Why take more heat burden for a range advantage that is situational, at best? IS ER Lasers were always bad. Of course...compared to the broke, stupid wonder guns of the Clans, everything is bad

[Bishop Steiner]

Karl Streiger, on 10 January 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

I mean this is not TableTop - a range bracket of 4/8/12 is a great advantage when compared to 3/6/9 - especialy in the medium range bracket.

Eh, it's really not. First thing most players I know did (and a lot of canon variants, too) was remove the IS ERMLs because the slight range buff wasn't worth it. for almost doubled heat. had they been 4 heat, they probably would be a no brainer.... (same way I always laugh at IS MPL fans.... but but but -2 to hit modifier! Of course, with only 2/3 the range... that's immediately negated at anything beyond 2 hexes by range modifiers....... all for twice the weight! Shamwow!)

only time I ever see ERMLs as worth it is for mechs with a generous heat cap to begin with, or a lot of Lights that aren't packing that much heat.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 January 2017 - 07:05 AM, said:

Eh, it's really not. First thing most players I know did (and a lot of canon variants, too) was remove the IS ERMLs because the slight range buff wasn't worth it. for almost doubled heat. had they been 4 heat, they probably would be a no brainer.... (same way I always laugh at IS MPL fans.... but but but -2 to hit modifier! Of course, with only 2/3 the range... that's immediately negated at anything beyond 2 hexes by range modifiers....... all for twice the weight! Shamwow!)

only time I ever see ERMLs as worth it is for mechs with a generous heat cap to begin with, or a lot of Lights that aren't packing that much heat .

Pun intended?

[CK16]

Hey can one who is good at the whole mech builder thing make me a Mad Cat Mk II - P? Base it off the TBR prime and see if you can upgrade the machine guns to UAC-2 and moved to each torso instead of one in CT. And see if it can get more energy on it?

Idea is something RA 3E, RT 1M 1B, CT 1E, RT 1M 1B, LA 3E (after inflation).

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 10 January 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

Hey can one who is good at the whole mech builder thing make me a Mad Cat Mk II - P? Base it off the TBR prime and see if you can upgrade the machine guns to UAC-2 and moved to each torso instead of one in CT. And see if it can get more energy on it?

Idea is something RA 3E, RT 1M 1B, CT 1E, RT 1M 1B, LA 3E (after inflation).

Here you go.

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk-II-P

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 24,046,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,820

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 ER Large Lasers
2 LRM-20s
1 Medium Pulse Laser
2 ER Medium Lasers
2 Ultra AC/2s
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 4 LA, 3 RA
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 3 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL 6.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 5.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 RA
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser CT 4 1 2.00
LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
Ultra AC/2 RT 1 2 5.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
Ultra AC/2 LT 1 2 5.00
ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 1 4.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (6) RT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/2 (90) RT - 2 2.00
@LRM-20 (6) LT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/2 (90) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4/2j 4 4 3 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

[CK16]

Metus regem, on 10 January 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

Here you go.

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk-II-P

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 24,046,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,820

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 ER Large Lasers
2 LRM-20s
1 Medium Pulse Laser
2 ER Medium Lasers
2 Ultra AC/2s
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 4 LA, 3 RA
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 3 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL 6.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 5.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 RA
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser CT 4 1 2.00
LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
Ultra AC/2 RT 1 2 5.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
Ultra AC/2 LT 1 2 5.00
ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 1 4.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (6) RT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/2 (90) RT - 2 2.00
@LRM-20 (6) LT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/2 (90) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4/2j 4 4 3 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

Thank you! That would be quite a fun build imo, and offer some rather good flavor for the chassis with out feeling like a power creep. Be a good reinforcement being hard points are the same as the 1 but switched around a bit. Personally could see like running 2 UAC 5 with energy back ups.

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 10 January 2017 - 08:55 AM, said:

Thank you! That would be quite a fun build imo, and offer some rather good flavor for the chassis with out feeling like a power creep. Be a good reinforcement being hard points are the same as the 1 but switched around a bit. Personally could see like running 2 UAC 5 with energy back ups.

Only issue I see with it, is it's two tons of armour short... I could've trimmed the UAC ammo down to 2t from 4t to max out the armour, but for a "MWO" build it didn't feel right to run with so little UAC ammo.

Edit:

MWO-afied it more with UAC/5's

Spoiler

Mad Cat IIC-P2

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 24,046,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,670

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Ultra AC/5s
2 Medium Pulse Lasers
4 ER Medium Lasers
2 SRM-6s w/ Artemis IV FCS
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 3 LA, 3 RA
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL 8.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 279 15.00
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 2 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 44
Center Torso (rear) 14
L/R Torso 19 29
L/R Torso (rear) 9
L/R Arm 15 30
L/R Leg 19 38

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultra AC/5 RT 1 3 7.00
SRM-6 RT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Ultra AC/5 LT 1 3 7.00
SRM-6 LT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RA 10 2 2.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
@Ultra AC/5 (60) RT - 3 3.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (15) RT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/5 (60) LT - 3 3.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 9 Points: 27
4j 6 6 2 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

and again for UAC/10's

Spoiler

Mad Cat IIC-P-3

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 24,274,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,626

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Ultra AC/10s
4 ER Medium Lasers
2 SRM-6s w/ Artemis IV FCS
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 2 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL 8.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 279 15.00
Armor Locations: 1 CT, 3 LA, 3 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 44
Center Torso (rear) 14
L/R Torso 19 29
L/R Torso (rear) 9
L/R Arm 15 30
L/R Leg 19 38

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultra AC/10 RT 3 4 10.00
SRM-6 RT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Ultra AC/10 LT 3 4 10.00
SRM-6 LT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RA 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) RT - 2 2.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (15) RT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LT - 2 2.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 5

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 9 Points: 26
4j 6 6 3 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Edited by Metus regem, 10 January 2017 - 09:09 AM.

[CK16]

Metus regem, on 10 January 2017 - 08:59 AM, said:

Only issue I see with it, is it's two tons of armour short... I could've trimmed the UAC ammo down to 2t from 4t to max out the armour, but for a &quot;MWO&quot; build it didn't feel right to run with so little UAC ammo.

I agree, but with how this game usually results in new mechs getting stripped right away and maxed armor. I think it would be fine. Could be a varriant based solely on longer range fighting do to the rather large loadout of long range weapons. Thus armor was reduced in thinking of not required for longer range duels ect.