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[Metus regem]

CK16, on 20 January 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

Hey Metus can you post a few of those Mad Cat Mk II loadouts up? The Hero one of Angus, the few "prime" spin offs you did up? At the 90 tons ect.

At 90t? True Battlemechs or what it should have been to carry the name plate it does?

[CK16]

Metus regem, on 20 January 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

At 90t? True Battlemechs or what it should have been to carry the name plate it does?

The true ones to the 90t. FLG would like to see the options we (mostly you lol) have thought up for PGI varriants

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 20 January 2017 - 11:02 AM, said:

The true ones to the 90t. FLG would like to see the options we (mostly you lol) have thought up for PGI varriants

ugh...

Well these are the 90t versions.


Hero, for the Kahn of CDS

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk. II MDC-ARG

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3076
Cost: 24,054,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,780

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Ultra AC/20
1 LB 20-X AC
4 Medium Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 3 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 6.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 2 LT, 3 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

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Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Medium Pulse Lasers RT 8 2 4.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers LT 8 2 4.00
LB 20-X AC RA 6 9 12.00
Ultra AC/20 LA 7 8 12.00
@LB 20-X (Cluster) (5) RT - 1 1.00
@LB 20-X (Slug) (10) RT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/20 (15) LT - 3 3.00
@Ultra AC/20 (5) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4/2j 6 6 0 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/0

The exerpimental

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk. II MDC-IIX

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3076
Cost: 25,053,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 3,548

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 ER PPCs
2 ATM-9s
6 ER Medium Lasers
1 ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 RT, 1 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 2 RT 8.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

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Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ECM Suite CT 0 1 1.00
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
Targeting Computer LT - 4 4.00
ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
3 ER Medium Lasers RA 15 3 3.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
3 ER Medium Lasers LA 15 3 3.00
@ATM-9 (7) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) RT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (7) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 35
4j 5 5 2 0 4 4 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

The Timber Wolf Prime knock off variant

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk. II MDC-IIP

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3076
Cost: 24,301,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,785

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 ER Large Lasers
2 LRM-20s
2 ER Medium Lasers
2 Ultra AC/2s
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LA, 3 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 8.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 8.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

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Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
Ultra AC/2 RA 1 2 5.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 1 4.00
Ultra AC/2 LA 1 2 5.00
@LRM-20 (6) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (6) LT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/2 (45) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4j 5 5 4 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

The Metus Variant

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk. II MDC-IIM

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3076
Cost: 23,643,600 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,712

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Ultra AC/10s
4 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LA, 3 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 8.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 17(34) 7.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: RT, LA 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
Targeting Computer LT - 5 5.00
Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
@Ultra AC/10 (30) RT - 3 3.00
@Ultra AC/10 (10) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 27
4j 7 7 4 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

What she should be

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk II (Alpha Wolf) Alpha Wolf

Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3061
Cost: 23,234,073 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,069

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 340 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
44.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 130 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 340 13.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 27 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 18 27
L/R Torso (rear) 9
L/R Arm 14 26
L/R Leg 18 33



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Base Cost: 23,234,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 1,069

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 27,102,885
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 3,175

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
LRM-10 RT 4 1 2.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
LRM-10 LT 4 1 2.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
@LRM-10 (Artemis) (12) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-10 (Artemis) (12) LT - 1 1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RA - 2 2.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 32
4/2j 7 7 5 0 4 1 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Alpha Cost: 26,207,948
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,664

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 19(38) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers RA 20 4 12.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers LA 20 4 12.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) RT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 27
4 7 6 5 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Bravo Cost: 27,378,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,808

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 1 RT 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SRM-6 RT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 5 5.00
SRM-6 LT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (30) LT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) RA - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4j 6 6 3 0 4 3 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Charlie Cost: 27,449,760
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,553

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
LB 10-X AC RA 2 5 10.00
LB 10-X AC LA 2 5 10.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) RA - 2 2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) RA - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) LA - 2 2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 26
4/2j 5 5 3 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2, FLK 1/1/1

Edited by Metus regem, 20 January 2017 - 11:20 AM.

[CK16]

Metus regem, on 20 January 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

ugh...

Well these are the 90t versions.


Hero, for the Kahn of CDS

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk. II MDC-ARG

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3076
Cost: 24,054,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,780

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Ultra AC/20
1 LB 20-X AC
4 Medium Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 3 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 6.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 2 LT, 3 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Medium Pulse Lasers RT 8 2 4.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers LT 8 2 4.00
LB 20-X AC RA 6 9 12.00
Ultra AC/20 LA 7 8 12.00
@LB 20-X (Cluster) (5) RT - 1 1.00
@LB 20-X (Slug) (10) RT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/20 (15) LT - 3 3.00
@Ultra AC/20 (5) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4/2j 6 6 0 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/0

The exerpimental

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk. II MDC-IIX

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3076
Cost: 25,053,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 3,548

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 ER PPCs
2 ATM-9s
6 ER Medium Lasers
1 ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 RT, 1 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 2 RT 8.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ECM Suite CT 0 1 1.00
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
Targeting Computer LT - 4 4.00
ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
3 ER Medium Lasers RA 15 3 3.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
3 ER Medium Lasers LA 15 3 3.00
@ATM-9 (7) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) RT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (7) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 35
4j 5 5 2 0 4 4 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

The Timber Wolf Prime knock off variant

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk. II MDC-IIP

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3076
Cost: 24,301,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,785

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 ER Large Lasers
2 LRM-20s
2 ER Medium Lasers
2 Ultra AC/2s
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LA, 3 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 8.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 8.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
Ultra AC/2 RA 1 2 5.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 1 4.00
Ultra AC/2 LA 1 2 5.00
@LRM-20 (6) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (6) LT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/2 (45) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4j 5 5 4 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

The Metus Variant

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk. II MDC-IIM

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3076
Cost: 23,643,600 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,712

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Ultra AC/10s
4 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LA, 3 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 8.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 17(34) 7.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: RT, LA 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
Targeting Computer LT - 5 5.00
Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
@Ultra AC/10 (30) RT - 3 3.00
@Ultra AC/10 (10) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 27
4j 7 7 4 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

What she should be

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk II (Alpha Wolf) Alpha Wolf

Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3061
Cost: 23,234,073 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,069

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 340 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
44.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 130 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 340 13.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 27 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 18 27
L/R Torso (rear) 9
L/R Arm 14 26
L/R Leg 18 33



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Loadout Name: Base Cost: 23,234,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 1,069

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 27,102,885
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 3,175

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
LRM-10 RT 4 1 2.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
LRM-10 LT 4 1 2.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
@LRM-10 (Artemis) (12) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-10 (Artemis) (12) LT - 1 1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RA - 2 2.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 32
4/2j 7 7 5 0 4 1 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2


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Loadout Name: Alpha Cost: 26,207,948
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,664

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 19(38) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers RA 20 4 12.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers LA 20 4 12.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) RT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 27
4 7 6 5 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: Bravo Cost: 27,378,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,808

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 1 RT 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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SRM-6 RT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 5 5.00
SRM-6 LT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (30) LT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) RA - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4j 6 6 3 0 4 3 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: Charlie Cost: 27,449,760
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,553

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Medium Pulse Laser RT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
LB 10-X AC RA 2 5 10.00
LB 10-X AC LA 2 5 10.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) RA - 2 2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) RA - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) LA - 2 2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 26
4/2j 5 5 3 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2, FLK 1/1/1

Thank you good sir!

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 20 January 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Thank you good sir!

Welcome.

I still like my 85t Omni mech version a lot more than the 90t versions of it.

[CK16]

Metus regem, on 20 January 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

Welcome.

I still like my 85t Omni mech version a lot more than the 90t versions of it.

Me as well, maybe could try to get that into a Fan TRO as an experimental design that was deemed not as cost effective for CDS to produce. Could say was a combination of Warhawk and Timberwolf Chassis ect after aquiring the tooling from old Smoke Jaguar holdings. The design could have had X issues that the battlemech development was deemed a better option for easy production ect.

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 20 January 2017 - 11:35 AM, said:

Me as well, maybe could try to get that into a Fan TRO as an experimental design that was deemed not as cost effective for CDS to produce. Could say was a combination of Warhawk and Timberwolf Chassis ect after aquiring the tooling from old Smoke Jaguar holdings. The design could have had X issues that the battlemech development was deemed a better option for easy production ect.

Or try to get it submitted as a Clan only version, as she would look identical to the Mad Cat II... as it is an efficient Omni-mech it would be leading edge clan tech.

[CK16]

Metus regem, on 20 January 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

Or try to get it submitted as a Clan only version, as she would look identical to the Mad Cat II... as it is an efficient Omni-mech it would be leading edge clan tech.

Are we talking Wiz kids Mad cat II or mk ii with straight arms? Lol

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 20 January 2017 - 12:18 PM, said:

Are we talking Wiz kids Mad cat II or mk ii with straight arms? Lol

Full on:



For the 85t Omni version, courteously of your tallents CK.

[Odanan]

Here is what I want for next Clan light mech.

Odanan, on 15 January 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

Fire Moth (Dasher)

20 tons, 173.34 (with Speed Tweak, without MASC), Endo Steel, Ferro Fibrous.

Fire Moth Prime:
LA 2e
LT
CT MASC
H
RT 1m
RA 1m

Fire Moth A:
LA AMS
LT
CT MASC
H
RT 1m
RA 1e

Fire Moth B: (the A-Pod can be replaced by extra armor, like PGI did in the Hellbringer)
LA 1e
LT
CT MASC
H
RT 1e
RA 2b, ECM (yes, it has ECM, even if there is no mention in Sarna)

Fire Moth C:
LA 1m
LT
CT MASC
H
RT AMS
RA 1m

Fire Moth D:
LA 2e
LT
CT MASC
H
RT 2e
RA 2e

Fire Moth H: (introduced in 3060)
LA 4e (4 heavy small lasers)
LT
CT MASC
H
RT
RA 5e (5 heavy small lasers)

Fire Moth Aletha "hero" configuration : (introduced in 3068)
LA 3e
LT ECM
CT MASC
H
RT
RA 1e

[Metus regem]

Odanan, on 22 January 2017 - 10:39 AM, said:

Here is what I want for next Clan light mech.

It's funny, that's the wrong layout for the Piranha.....

Yes I know 12 MG's would be borderline OP, but it would still be 20t that would require face time to get that OP....

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 22 January 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

It's funny, that's the wrong layout for the Piranha.....

Yes I know 12 MG's would be borderline OP, but it would still be 20t that would require face time to get that OP....

Why do people assume the 12 MGs will make the Piranha "OP"? Folks...have you looked at the robot? Even if you strip ALL the lasers, and some armor, it's not packing enough ammo. It'll sound cool, look cool, and maybe kill 1 mech before running out of ammo. 2 or 3 if they are already stripped.

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

Why do people assume the 12 MGs will make the Piranha "OP"? Folks...have you looked at the robot? Even if you strip ALL the lasers, and some armor, it's not packing enough ammo. It'll sound cool, look cool, and maybe kill 1 mech before running out of ammo. 2 or 3 if they are already stripped.

That, and because 20-ton gundams are very fragile. Especially when they're humanoids so they have more surface area to shoot at than the Locust. And since it's Clan it probably would have very weak quirks at best.

I'm not worried, but I'm sure that a lot of Spuds out there are...

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

Why do people assume the 12 MGs will make the Piranha "OP"? Folks...have you looked at the robot? Even if you strip ALL the lasers, and some armor, it's not packing enough ammo. It'll sound cool, look cool, and maybe kill 1 mech before running out of ammo. 2 or 3 if they are already stripped.

Yup, but she'd be a fun ride though.

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 22 January 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

Yup, but she'd be a fun ride though.

If you're a minute man, maybe. Some of us prefer long rides.

[Bishop Steiner]

Thinking about making a new Dark Age Clan, one that fields only Assault designs,

Clan Cave Sloth.

We were actually one of the original Clans... it's just it took us this long to get to the Inner Sphere. We also really like Annihilators. And instead of Elementals, er use Urbie IICs.

Why? Cuz bored.

[Sereglach]

Metus regem, on 22 January 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

Yes I know 12 MG's would be borderline OP, but it would still be 20t that would require face time to get that OP....

Well, funny enough, swap the ER Small to an ER Medium and the Mediums to Smalls, then add Ferro and drop to 8 MG's. That gives you 3 tons of ammo with no other changes; and you've still got a fair amount of energy backups. Strip the two smalls and you have 4 tons.

Nearly 8 DPS off MGs with 8k rounds. That's close to 800 potential damage (with no laser fire) in 1 min 40 seconds of non-stop weapons fire. . . . Yeah . . . I'd drive it.

It might be a quick burn mech, but it'd be fun as Hell. It's still far from OP, though. Try going for 12 MG's and you'll have like 3 tons ammo, tops (in retaining a modicum of backup weapons), which just isn't enough for those bullet-hoses.

[Odanan]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

Why do people assume the 12 MGs will make the Piranha "OP"? Folks...have you looked at the robot? Even if you strip ALL the lasers, and some armor, it's not packing enough ammo. It'll sound cool, look cool, and maybe kill 1 mech before running out of ammo. 2 or 3 if they are already stripped.

Well, it's not assuming when you can get the numbers.

Look at this Shadowcat: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...26a8671ab7da1c5
Now double the DPS (because Piranha would have exactly the double of these weapons). Just 4 tons of guns (plus 2 of ammo?), 14.48 DPS, heat neutral.

This means...
2 secs = 28.95 damage
4 secs = 57.92 damage

In the time the victim do an alpha, the Piranha will mow through its armor and obliterate the internal structure. If you are a light or medium mech, you are dead in a couple of seconds. If you are heavier, you will survive agonize a little longer.

So what? Your ammo will run out in 20 seconds? That's 5 mechs dead. And you will still have a couple of small lasers...

And if you guys think you can't survive all the match in a light mech as fast (and tiny) as this one... well, maybe you should leave the light mech spot for somebody else.

[Sereglach]

Odanan, on 22 January 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

*snip*

I'd say there's a lot more to it than just the DPS figures; and even those don't tell the whole story. This is coming from someone who's a primary light pilot. A Piranha would not be OP. Strong for its weight class? Yes. Overpowered? No. Let me explain:

Consider the DPS of 2xAC/20s vs. 10xMGs (close to being the same at ~10 DPS), which are two extremes of the equation . . . the pinnacle of assault ballistics vs. the pinnacle of light ballistics. Those AC 20's are click and shoot, with 4 seconds of cooling down, afterwards. That's time to reposition, spread damage, or any number of other things as you prepare for your next shot. On the other hand, the MG's require constant face-time and are not PPFLD, while they also have a cone of fire (smaller, but still there) and an exceptionally short optimal range.

The MG damage can be easily spread, outranged, and countered. The AC/20s will look at you, squeeze the trigger, and -if you're a light- something is going boom (God forbid it's a leg) . . . all at over twice the optimal range of an MG. Think about how people will call out AC/20 mechs and whatnot now. The team will make a concerted effort to single it out and remove it in the safest ways possible. The same will be true of a Piranha with high DPS (8-12 MGs). If it gets close you'll take pot-shots and spread damage, while at the same time other hard counters will come in and deal with the problem. Lasers and Streaks can ruin a light mech's day if the user can aim and time shots (and don't forget Clan Streaks vs. MG range . . . ouch).

Sure, those 12xMG's for a Piranha look beastly on paper when bringing it into MWO, but that's also 1 ton of ammo. In TT that's enough . . . in MWO that's nothing . . . 200 damage in ~17 seconds IF you have flawless accuracy. Oh, and we all know that 200 damage/ton is NOT going to be located in the same spot with a cone of fire and any remotely competent pilot attempting to move or spread damage.

You have to start making sacrifices; and whether it's guns, armor, or engine, either way you're sacrificing something else crucial to try to maintain those 12MG's. That's just not going to work out, in the end, to be some sort of OP monster in MWO. 8x MG's (in the build I listed earlier, which would have some sustainability) would still be out-DPS'd by an Arctic Cheetah with 6xC-ERSL (1.54 x 6 = 9.24 DPS), with better burst, flexibility, no ammo concerns, while still having more armor, and just as much maneuverability (probably more so with jump jets).

The end result for a Piranha in MWO? A nice and reasonably strong light mech that's still far from being OP.

Edited by Sereglach, 22 January 2017 - 08:16 PM.

[Karl Streiger]

Sereglach, on 22 January 2017 - 06:02 PM, said:

snip

have to disagree with a vengance.

you didn't dare to compare 28t weapons and 14 heat and ammunition with what 2.5t weapons no heat and ammunition?
Are the 10MGs worse in comparison with the Dual AC20 - of course, they are. They should be even worse.

You dual AC20 mech is a clumsy beast - you 10mg mech is a fast one - the first need to break through central armor and range is an issue - the second dictate range and can attack the rear.