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[Tarogato]

Karl Streiger, on 18 June 2017 - 11:15 PM, said:

Rising Star - aka Legacy
Hercules
Shootist
Falconer
Jinggau/or humanoid shaped Scourge (otherwise the same mech)

Seeing some Dark age Mechs and even Quadvees - Ryoken III and Gestalt - for the extra MWLL feeling.

Yeah, one of the first things I did was complete all of the 4-legged mechs, make sure that list is 100% complete, and it is. Even if quite a few of them are weird out of timeline transforming mechs we'll never see. =P

[TheArisen]

Tarogato, on 18 June 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

My spreadsheet grows.

https://docs.google....#gid=1599258884

Spreadsheet lists mechs that are not in MWO, all their variants, engine caps, hardpoints, weapons and equipment, and marks whether mechs are appropriate for MWO or not.


Also, another sheet shows mechs already in MWO, with variants that have not been added by PGI yet. Clan mechs are complete, I'm just starting the IS variants now. Gonna be a long slog.





In the spoiler is a preview, lists all of the mechs I have added thus far:

Spoiler

Tonnage	Faction	Chassis	Type	# variants	# MWO-viable variants
20	Clan	Fire Moth	Omni	12	6
20	IS	Fireball	Battlemech	4	0
20	IS	Flea	Battlemech	7	5
20	IS	Hornet	Battlemech	4	0
20	Clan	Howler	Battlemech	3	0
20	IS	Mercury	Battlemech	6	0
20	Clan	Piranha	Battlemech	4	3
20	Clan	Snow Fox	QUADRUPED	3	0
20	IS	Stinger	Battlemech	12	7
20	Clan	Stinger IIC	Battlemech	2	0
20	IS	Thorn	Battlemech	6	4
20	IS	Wasp	Battlemech	18	5
25	Clan	Arbalest	Battlemech	3	0
25	IS	Brigand	Battlemech	11	3
25	Clan	Commando IIC	Battlemech	1	0
25	IS	Dart	Battlemech	3	0
25	Clan	Fire Falcon	Omni	8	4
25	Clan	Icestorm	Battlemech	2	0
25	Clan	Locust IIC	Battlemech	9	3
25	IS	Mongoose	Battlemech	7	4
25	IS	Nexus	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Nexus II	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Raptor	Omni	5	5
25	IS	Sling	Battlemech	2	0
25	Clan	Solitaire	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Tarantula	QUADRUPED	6	3
30	IS	Falcon	Battlemech	6	4
30	IS	Firefly	Battlemech	6	0
30	IS	Flashfire	Battlemech	5	0
30	IS	Hammer	Battlemech	3	3
30	Clan	Hellion	Omni	8	4
30	IS	Hermes	Battlemech	8	3
30	IS	Hitman	Battlemech	2	0
30	IS	Hussar	Battlemech	5	0
30	Clan	Incubus	Battlemech	5	3
30	IS	Killer Rabbit	Battlemech	1	0
30	Clan	Pack Hunter	Battlemech	4	3
30	IS	Revenant	QUADRUPED	6	0
30	IS	Scarabus	Battlemech	3	0
30	Clan	Urbanmech IIC	Battlemech	2	0
30	IS	Valkyrie	Battlemech	4	0
35	Clan	Arion	QUADRUPED	1	0
35	IS	Firebee	Battlemech	2	0
35	IS	Hollander	Battlemech	2	0
35	Clan	Horned Owl	Battlemech	5	4
35	Clan	Jaguar	QUADRUPED	2	0
35	IS	Kite	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Napoleon	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Ostscout	Battlemech	4	0
35	IS	Owens	Omni	9	0
35	IS	Pixie	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Venom	Battlemech	4	0
35	IS	Viper	Battlemech	1	0
40	Clan	Arana	QUADRUPED	1	0
40	IS	Chimera	Battlemech	3	0
40	Clan	Coyotl	Omni	2	0
40	Clan	Griffin IIC	Battlemech	8	4
40	IS	Mercury II	Battlemech	1	0
40	Clan	Phantom	Omni	8	5
40	Clan	Pouncer	Omni	10	6
40	IS	Sha Yu	Battlemech	4	0
45	IS	Antlion	QUADRUPED	1	0
45	IS	Bishamon	QUADRUPED	3	3
45	IS	Bloodhound	Battlemech	3	0
45	IS	Blue Flame	QUADRUPED	3	0
45	IS	Hellspawn	Battlemech	6	3
45	Clan	Mongrel	Omni	8	3
45	Clan	Shadow Hawk IIC	Battlemech	9	4
45	Clan	Stalking Spider II	QUADRUPED	1	0
50	IS	Blackjack	Omni	11	3
50	Clan	Crimson Langur	Omni	6	0
50	IS	Sarath	QUADRUPED	3	0
50	Clan	Stalking Spider	QUADRUPED	3	3
55	Clan	Black Lanner	Omni	8	5
55	Clan	Cyllaros	QUADRUPED	1	0
55	IS	Dervish	Battlemech	9	4
55	IS	Lightray	Battlemech	5	0
55	IS	Lynx	Battlemech	4	3
55	IS	Men Shen	Omni	9	5
55	Clan	Rabid Coyote	Battlemech	2	0
55	IS	Scorpion	QUADRUPED	10	3
55	IS	Thunder Fox	QUADRUPED	4	0
55	Clan	Vapor Eagle	Battlemech	4	4
60	IS	Argus	Battlemech	6	3
60	Clan	Boreas	QUADRUPED	5	0
60	Clan	Notos	QUADRUPED	5	0
65	Clan	Balius	QUADRUPED	7	4
65	Clan	Fire Scorpion	QUADRUPED	3	0
65	Clan	Rifleman IIC	Battlemech	8	4
65	IS	Ursa	QUADRUPED	2	0
70	IS	Avatar	Omni	13	5
70	IS	Barghest	QUADRUPED	6	0
70	Clan	Guillotine IIC	Battlemech	2	0
70	IS	White Flame	QUADRUPED	3	0
75	Clan	Black Python	Omni	4	0
75	Clan	Burrock	Battlemech	2	0
75	Clan	Harpagos	QUADRUPED	1	0
75	IS	Penetrator	Battlemech	6	3
75	IS	Thanatos	Battlemech	4	0
80	IS	Charger	Battlemech	14	5
80	IS	Goliath	QUADRUPED	16	3
80	IS	Hatamoto-Chi	Battlemech	7	3
80	IS	Hatamoto-Chi Shin	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Godai	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Hi	Battlemech	3	1
80	IS	Hatamoto-Kaeru	Battlemech	2	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Kaze	Battlemech	2	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Ku	Battlemech	2	1
80	IS	Hatamoto-Mizo	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Suna	Battlemech	1	0
80	Clan	Phoenix Hawk IIC	Battlemech	8	4
80	IS	Thug	Battlemech	8	3
80	Clan	Warhammer IIC	Battlemech	12	4
85	Clan	Battlemaster IIC	Battlemech	1	0
85	Clan	Thunder Stallion	QUADRUPED	3	0
90	Clan	Blood Asp	Omni	8	6
90	Clan	Kingfisher	Omni	9	3
90	IS	Lich	QUADRUPED	1	0
95	IS	Sagittaire	Battlemech	4	0
95	IS	Sirocco	QUADRUPED	3	0
95	IS	Trebaruna	QUADRUPED	4	0
95	Clan	Turkina	Omni	10	6
100	Clan	Bane	Battlemech	5	3
100	IS	Fafnir	Battlemech	6	4
100	IS	Great Turtle	QUADRUPED	2	0
100	Clan	Stone Rhino	Battlemech	6	4
100	IS	Xanthos	QUADRUPED	6	0

Anything missing you want added?

Anvil
Thunder Hawk
Cerberus
Viking
Toyama
Dragon Fire
Albatross
Gunslinger
Bandrsnatch

Also all the mechs Karl listed

[Karl Streiger]

Tarogato, on 18 June 2017 - 11:26 PM, said:

Yeah, one of the first things I did was complete all of the 4-legged mechs, make sure that list is 100% complete, and it is. Even if quite a few of them are weird out of timeline transforming mechs we'll never see. =P

Yeah the time line is a *****, wish they would throw it out of the window (it doesn't have any impact, make it a mechporn shooter and be done with - let others watch for lore)- with a open mechlab there wouldn't even be a issue to throw a Mackie at an Atlas III

[Requiemking]

Tarogato, on 18 June 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

My spreadsheet grows.

https://docs.google....#gid=1599258884

Spreadsheet lists mechs that are not in MWO, all their variants, engine caps, hardpoints, weapons and equipment, and marks whether mechs are appropriate for MWO or not.


Also, another sheet shows mechs already in MWO, with variants that have not been added by PGI yet. Clan mechs are complete, I'm just starting the IS variants now. Gonna be a long slog.





In the spoiler is a preview, lists all of the mechs I have added thus far:

Spoiler

Tonnage	Faction	Chassis	Type	# variants	# MWO-viable variants
20	Clan	Fire Moth	Omni	12	6
20	IS	Fireball	Battlemech	4	0
20	IS	Flea	Battlemech	7	5
20	IS	Hornet	Battlemech	4	0
20	Clan	Howler	Battlemech	3	0
20	IS	Mercury	Battlemech	6	0
20	Clan	Piranha	Battlemech	4	3
20	Clan	Snow Fox	QUADRUPED	3	0
20	IS	Stinger	Battlemech	12	7
20	Clan	Stinger IIC	Battlemech	2	0
20	IS	Thorn	Battlemech	6	4
20	IS	Wasp	Battlemech	18	5
25	Clan	Arbalest	Battlemech	3	0
25	IS	Brigand	Battlemech	11	3
25	Clan	Commando IIC	Battlemech	1	0
25	IS	Dart	Battlemech	3	0
25	Clan	Fire Falcon	Omni	8	4
25	Clan	Icestorm	Battlemech	2	0
25	Clan	Locust IIC	Battlemech	9	3
25	IS	Mongoose	Battlemech	7	4
25	IS	Nexus	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Nexus II	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Raptor	Omni	5	5
25	IS	Sling	Battlemech	2	0
25	Clan	Solitaire	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Tarantula	QUADRUPED	6	3
30	IS	Falcon	Battlemech	6	4
30	IS	Firefly	Battlemech	6	0
30	IS	Flashfire	Battlemech	5	0
30	IS	Hammer	Battlemech	3	3
30	Clan	Hellion	Omni	8	4
30	IS	Hermes	Battlemech	8	3
30	IS	Hitman	Battlemech	2	0
30	IS	Hussar	Battlemech	5	0
30	Clan	Incubus	Battlemech	5	3
30	IS	Killer Rabbit	Battlemech	1	0
30	Clan	Pack Hunter	Battlemech	4	3
30	IS	Revenant	QUADRUPED	6	0
30	IS	Scarabus	Battlemech	3	0
30	Clan	Urbanmech IIC	Battlemech	2	0
30	IS	Valkyrie	Battlemech	4	0
35	Clan	Arion	QUADRUPED	1	0
35	IS	Firebee	Battlemech	2	0
35	IS	Hollander	Battlemech	2	0
35	Clan	Horned Owl	Battlemech	5	4
35	Clan	Jaguar	QUADRUPED	2	0
35	IS	Kite	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Napoleon	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Ostscout	Battlemech	4	0
35	IS	Owens	Omni	9	0
35	IS	Pixie	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Venom	Battlemech	4	0
35	IS	Viper	Battlemech	1	0
40	Clan	Arana	QUADRUPED	1	0
40	IS	Chimera	Battlemech	3	0
40	Clan	Coyotl	Omni	2	0
40	Clan	Griffin IIC	Battlemech	8	4
40	IS	Mercury II	Battlemech	1	0
40	Clan	Phantom	Omni	8	5
40	Clan	Pouncer	Omni	10	6
40	IS	Sha Yu	Battlemech	4	0
45	IS	Antlion	QUADRUPED	1	0
45	IS	Bishamon	QUADRUPED	3	3
45	IS	Bloodhound	Battlemech	3	0
45	IS	Blue Flame	QUADRUPED	3	0
45	IS	Hellspawn	Battlemech	6	3
45	Clan	Mongrel	Omni	8	3
45	Clan	Shadow Hawk IIC	Battlemech	9	4
45	Clan	Stalking Spider II	QUADRUPED	1	0
50	IS	Blackjack	Omni	11	3
50	Clan	Crimson Langur	Omni	6	0
50	IS	Sarath	QUADRUPED	3	0
50	Clan	Stalking Spider	QUADRUPED	3	3
55	Clan	Black Lanner	Omni	8	5
55	Clan	Cyllaros	QUADRUPED	1	0
55	IS	Dervish	Battlemech	9	4
55	IS	Lightray	Battlemech	5	0
55	IS	Lynx	Battlemech	4	3
55	IS	Men Shen	Omni	9	5
55	Clan	Rabid Coyote	Battlemech	2	0
55	IS	Scorpion	QUADRUPED	10	3
55	IS	Thunder Fox	QUADRUPED	4	0
55	Clan	Vapor Eagle	Battlemech	4	4
60	IS	Argus	Battlemech	6	3
60	Clan	Boreas	QUADRUPED	5	0
60	Clan	Notos	QUADRUPED	5	0
65	Clan	Balius	QUADRUPED	7	4
65	Clan	Fire Scorpion	QUADRUPED	3	0
65	Clan	Rifleman IIC	Battlemech	8	4
65	IS	Ursa	QUADRUPED	2	0
70	IS	Avatar	Omni	13	5
70	IS	Barghest	QUADRUPED	6	0
70	Clan	Guillotine IIC	Battlemech	2	0
70	IS	White Flame	QUADRUPED	3	0
75	Clan	Black Python	Omni	4	0
75	Clan	Burrock	Battlemech	2	0
75	Clan	Harpagos	QUADRUPED	1	0
75	IS	Penetrator	Battlemech	6	3
75	IS	Thanatos	Battlemech	4	0
80	IS	Charger	Battlemech	14	5
80	IS	Goliath	QUADRUPED	16	3
80	IS	Hatamoto-Chi	Battlemech	7	3
80	IS	Hatamoto-Chi Shin	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Godai	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Hi	Battlemech	3	1
80	IS	Hatamoto-Kaeru	Battlemech	2	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Kaze	Battlemech	2	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Ku	Battlemech	2	1
80	IS	Hatamoto-Mizo	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Suna	Battlemech	1	0
80	Clan	Phoenix Hawk IIC	Battlemech	8	4
80	IS	Thug	Battlemech	8	3
80	Clan	Warhammer IIC	Battlemech	12	4
85	Clan	Battlemaster IIC	Battlemech	1	0
85	Clan	Thunder Stallion	QUADRUPED	3	0
90	Clan	Blood Asp	Omni	8	6
90	Clan	Kingfisher	Omni	9	3
90	IS	Lich	QUADRUPED	1	0
95	IS	Sagittaire	Battlemech	4	0
95	IS	Sirocco	QUADRUPED	3	0
95	IS	Trebaruna	QUADRUPED	4	0
95	Clan	Turkina	Omni	10	6
100	Clan	Bane	Battlemech	5	3
100	IS	Fafnir	Battlemech	6	4
100	IS	Great Turtle	QUADRUPED	2	0
100	Clan	Stone Rhino	Battlemech	6	4
100	IS	Xanthos	QUADRUPED	6	0

Anything missing you want added?

I must admit, this is a very interesting list. I did notice a few missing mechs, however.

Commando IIC- Clan 25 ton Battlemech.
Wraith- IS 55 ton Battlemech.

[Odanan]

Tarogato, on 18 June 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

My spreadsheet grows.

Anything missing you want added?

I would group up all Hatamoto variants in one entry.

[Metus regem]

Tarogato, on 18 June 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

My spreadsheet grows.

https://docs.google....#gid=1599258884

Spreadsheet lists mechs that are not in MWO, all their variants, engine caps, hardpoints, weapons and equipment, and marks whether mechs are appropriate for MWO or not.


Also, another sheet shows mechs already in MWO, with variants that have not been added by PGI yet. Clan mechs are complete, I'm just starting the IS variants now. Gonna be a long slog.





In the spoiler is a preview, lists all of the mechs I have added thus far:

Spoiler

Tonnage	Faction	Chassis	Type	# variants	# MWO-viable variants
20	Clan	Fire Moth	Omni	12	6
20	IS	Fireball	Battlemech	4	0
20	IS	Flea	Battlemech	7	5
20	IS	Hornet	Battlemech	4	0
20	Clan	Howler	Battlemech	3	0
20	IS	Mercury	Battlemech	6	0
20	Clan	Piranha	Battlemech	4	3
20	Clan	Snow Fox	QUADRUPED	3	0
20	IS	Stinger	Battlemech	12	7
20	Clan	Stinger IIC	Battlemech	2	0
20	IS	Thorn	Battlemech	6	4
20	IS	Wasp	Battlemech	18	5
25	Clan	Arbalest	Battlemech	3	0
25	IS	Brigand	Battlemech	11	3
25	Clan	Commando IIC	Battlemech	1	0
25	IS	Dart	Battlemech	3	0
25	Clan	Fire Falcon	Omni	8	4
25	Clan	Icestorm	Battlemech	2	0
25	Clan	Locust IIC	Battlemech	9	3
25	IS	Mongoose	Battlemech	7	4
25	IS	Nexus	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Nexus II	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Raptor	Omni	5	5
25	IS	Sling	Battlemech	2	0
25	Clan	Solitaire	Battlemech	2	0
25	IS	Tarantula	QUADRUPED	6	3
30	IS	Falcon	Battlemech	6	4
30	IS	Firefly	Battlemech	6	0
30	IS	Flashfire	Battlemech	5	0
30	IS	Hammer	Battlemech	3	3
30	Clan	Hellion	Omni	8	4
30	IS	Hermes	Battlemech	8	3
30	IS	Hitman	Battlemech	2	0
30	IS	Hussar	Battlemech	5	0
30	Clan	Incubus	Battlemech	5	3
30	IS	Killer Rabbit	Battlemech	1	0
30	Clan	Pack Hunter	Battlemech	4	3
30	IS	Revenant	QUADRUPED	6	0
30	IS	Scarabus	Battlemech	3	0
30	Clan	Urbanmech IIC	Battlemech	2	0
30	IS	Valkyrie	Battlemech	4	0
35	Clan	Arion	QUADRUPED	1	0
35	IS	Firebee	Battlemech	2	0
35	IS	Hollander	Battlemech	2	0
35	Clan	Horned Owl	Battlemech	5	4
35	Clan	Jaguar	QUADRUPED	2	0
35	IS	Kite	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Napoleon	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Ostscout	Battlemech	4	0
35	IS	Owens	Omni	9	0
35	IS	Pixie	Battlemech	1	0
35	IS	Venom	Battlemech	4	0
35	IS	Viper	Battlemech	1	0
40	Clan	Arana	QUADRUPED	1	0
40	IS	Chimera	Battlemech	3	0
40	Clan	Coyotl	Omni	2	0
40	Clan	Griffin IIC	Battlemech	8	4
40	IS	Mercury II	Battlemech	1	0
40	Clan	Phantom	Omni	8	5
40	Clan	Pouncer	Omni	10	6
40	IS	Sha Yu	Battlemech	4	0
45	IS	Antlion	QUADRUPED	1	0
45	IS	Bishamon	QUADRUPED	3	3
45	IS	Bloodhound	Battlemech	3	0
45	IS	Blue Flame	QUADRUPED	3	0
45	IS	Hellspawn	Battlemech	6	3
45	Clan	Mongrel	Omni	8	3
45	Clan	Shadow Hawk IIC	Battlemech	9	4
45	Clan	Stalking Spider II	QUADRUPED	1	0
50	IS	Blackjack	Omni	11	3
50	Clan	Crimson Langur	Omni	6	0
50	IS	Sarath	QUADRUPED	3	0
50	Clan	Stalking Spider	QUADRUPED	3	3
55	Clan	Black Lanner	Omni	8	5
55	Clan	Cyllaros	QUADRUPED	1	0
55	IS	Dervish	Battlemech	9	4
55	IS	Lightray	Battlemech	5	0
55	IS	Lynx	Battlemech	4	3
55	IS	Men Shen	Omni	9	5
55	Clan	Rabid Coyote	Battlemech	2	0
55	IS	Scorpion	QUADRUPED	10	3
55	IS	Thunder Fox	QUADRUPED	4	0
55	Clan	Vapor Eagle	Battlemech	4	4
60	IS	Argus	Battlemech	6	3
60	Clan	Boreas	QUADRUPED	5	0
60	Clan	Notos	QUADRUPED	5	0
65	Clan	Balius	QUADRUPED	7	4
65	Clan	Fire Scorpion	QUADRUPED	3	0
65	Clan	Rifleman IIC	Battlemech	8	4
65	IS	Ursa	QUADRUPED	2	0
70	IS	Avatar	Omni	13	5
70	IS	Barghest	QUADRUPED	6	0
70	Clan	Guillotine IIC	Battlemech	2	0
70	IS	White Flame	QUADRUPED	3	0
75	Clan	Black Python	Omni	4	0
75	Clan	Burrock	Battlemech	2	0
75	Clan	Harpagos	QUADRUPED	1	0
75	IS	Penetrator	Battlemech	6	3
75	IS	Thanatos	Battlemech	4	0
80	IS	Charger	Battlemech	14	5
80	IS	Goliath	QUADRUPED	16	3
80	IS	Hatamoto-Chi	Battlemech	7	3
80	IS	Hatamoto-Chi Shin	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Godai	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Hi	Battlemech	3	1
80	IS	Hatamoto-Kaeru	Battlemech	2	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Kaze	Battlemech	2	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Ku	Battlemech	2	1
80	IS	Hatamoto-Mizo	Battlemech	1	0
80	IS	Hatamoto-Suna	Battlemech	1	0
80	Clan	Phoenix Hawk IIC	Battlemech	8	4
80	IS	Thug	Battlemech	8	3
80	Clan	Warhammer IIC	Battlemech	12	4
85	Clan	Battlemaster IIC	Battlemech	1	0
85	Clan	Thunder Stallion	QUADRUPED	3	0
90	Clan	Blood Asp	Omni	8	6
90	Clan	Kingfisher	Omni	9	3
90	IS	Lich	QUADRUPED	1	0
95	IS	Sagittaire	Battlemech	4	0
95	IS	Sirocco	QUADRUPED	3	0
95	IS	Trebaruna	QUADRUPED	4	0
95	Clan	Turkina	Omni	10	6
100	Clan	Bane	Battlemech	5	3
100	IS	Fafnir	Battlemech	6	4
100	IS	Great Turtle	QUADRUPED	2	0
100	Clan	Stone Rhino	Battlemech	6	4
100	IS	Xanthos	QUADRUPED	6	0

Anything missing you want added?

How does the Coyotl not have any viable variants? It doesn't use any tech not in game, it's got around cockpit height, just above, at and just below, level hard points, decent speed and a good jumping variant in the A second only to the Viper in both speed and jump for a 40 toner. Granted she's not razor optimized since she lacks FF, only has two variants (Prime/A) and is in mothballs due to the supplement it came out in. I still say she could be a very solid 40t Clan Omni, all she needs is a couple more variants.


EDIT:

Espically when you give the Phantom 5 viable variants, the Black Jack Omni 3 and the Geometry challenged Avatar 5!

Edited by Metus regem, 19 June 2017 - 06:47 AM.

[Steinar Bergstol]

TheArisen, on 18 June 2017 - 11:29 PM, said:

Anvil
Thunder Hawk
Cerberus
Viking
Toyama
Dragon Fire
Albatross
Gunslinger
Bandrsnatch

Also all the mechs Karl listed

I see no Daikyu. This is not an acceptable state of affairs.

Edited by Steinar Bergstol, 19 June 2017 - 06:01 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Steinar Bergstol, on 19 June 2017 - 06:00 AM, said:

I see no Daikyu. This is not an acceptable state of affairs.

Lets make a pact . I will ask for the Daikyu in every situation, but you need to ask for the Legacy. Deal?

Ballistic in each arm very high engine cap - while its as sleak as the Grashopper from the front its wasp like torso structure might reduce the height of the build.
Could be interesting when it comes to flanking fire....
3 1/2 variants

I think we need more 3055 builds.... some of them were in the MW2 Mercs game but hardly enough

Edited by Karl Streiger, 19 June 2017 - 06:51 AM.

[FLG 01]

Karl Streiger, on 19 June 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

I think we need more 3055 builds.... some of them were in the MW2 Mercs game but hardly enough

TRO:3055 is a criminally underrated source for Mechs. It's a shame that its original artwork was... special, but the Mechs themselves are really nice. They range from fun&wacky to meta-Mech.

Fireball, Jackal, Falconer, Gunslinger...

(Unfortunately, the only popular TRO:3055 Mech seems to be the, uh, Hollander).

[Metus regem]

FLG 01, on 19 June 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

TRO:3055 is a criminally underrated source for Mechs. It's a shame that its original artwork was... special, but the Mechs themselves are really nice. They range from fun&wacky to meta-Mech.

Fireball, Jackal, Falconer, Gunslinger...

(Unfortunately, the only popular TRO:3055 Mech seems to be the, uh, Hollander).

/shrug

I like the Hammer and Anvil from TRO 3055... They made a good pair.

The Bandersnatch is another solid unit, so is the Timber Wolf Knock Off...

[SuperFunkTron]

Tarogato, on 18 June 2017 - 11:26 PM, said:

Anything missing you want added?

I didn't see the Gunslinger, Cerberus, or Grendel (just read that it is also known as the Mongrel) in there.

It looks like the clans has at least 4 more exciting mediums they could add with the Black Lanner, Mongrel, Phantom, and Pouncer all providing nice build variety and potential utility.

There are few likely assaults looking fierce as well (Turkina, Blood Asp, Kingfisher maybe a bit less )


I really think that with the large variety of mechs we currently have and the quickly expanding hanger, that PGI needs to start coercing encouraging us to choose different sets for FP and finally implement Faction Specific Mechs. If not now, at least in the near future to give some badly needed depth and challenge.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Karl Streiger, on 19 June 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

Lets make a pact . I will ask for the Daikyu in every situation, but you need to ask for the Legacy. Deal?

Ballistic in each arm very high engine cap - while its as sleak as the Grashopper from the front its wasp like torso structure might reduce the height of the build.
Could be interesting when it comes to flanking fire....
3 1/2 variants

I think we need more 3055 builds.... some of them were in the MW2 Mercs game but hardly enough

Jeg. Sure. The Legacy actually looks interesting, even though it is a filthy wobbly design.🙂 Some seriously high ballistic mounts it looks like.

Karl Streiger, on 19 June 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

Lets make a pact . I will ask for the Daikyu in every situation, but you need to ask for the Legacy. Deal?

Ballistic in each arm very high engine cap - while its as sleak as the Grashopper from the front its wasp like torso structure might reduce the height of the build.
Could be interesting when it comes to flanking fire....
3 1/2 variants

I think we need more 3055 builds.... some of them were in the MW2 Mercs game but hardly enough

Jeg. Sure. The Legacy actually looks interesting, even though it is a filthy wobbly design.🙂 Some seriously high ballistic mounts it looks like.

[Tarogato]

Karl Streiger, on 18 June 2017 - 11:15 PM, said:

Rising Star - aka Legacy
Hercules
Shootist
Falconer
Jinggau/or humanoid shaped Scourge (otherwise the same mech)

TheArisen, on 18 June 2017 - 11:29 PM, said:

Anvil
Thunder Hawk
Cerberus
Viking
Toyama
Dragon Fire
Albatross
Gunslinger
Bandrsnatch

Steinar Bergstol, on 19 June 2017 - 06:00 AM, said:

I see no Daikyu. This is not an acceptable state of affairs.

FLG 01, on 19 June 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

Fireball, Jackal, Falconer, Gunslinger...

Metus regem, on 19 June 2017 - 07:17 AM, said:

I like the Hammer and Anvil from TRO 3055... They made a good pair.
The Bandersnatch is another solid unit, so is the Timber Wolf Knock Off...

Added all of those mechs. Commentary:

80 Legacy - 3 variants, good enough.
70 Hercules - only 3 variants, one is a hero, and the other two are almost identical. Doesn't merit a "yes" from me.
70 Shootish - only 3 variants, and they're all the same! Boooooring. Nope.
75 Falconer - only 2 variants, and they're identical. Nope.
65 Jinggau - 4 variants, but only one of them fits MWO. So nope.
65 Scourge - only 2 variants, also dark age. Nope.
60 Anvil - 6 variants, 4 are viable but all very similar. Barely different enough for me to say "maybe" instead of "no."
100 Thunderhawk - 3 good variants, all the same, really deserves a "no", just different enough to squeeze a "maybe."
95 Cerberus - YES FINALLY, A MECH WITH ENOUGH UNIQUE VARIANTS. This has 4, they're all different. Yay.
90 Viking - only two viable variants. Not enough. Nope.
90 Viking IIC - single variant. Nope.
75 Toyama - 3 variants, 2 of them have weird gyros. Nope.
75 Dragon Fire - 4 variants, 3 are good, but all identical. No good.
95 Albatross - 4 variants, only 2 are good and they are identical. No good.
85 Gunslinger - 4 variant, they're all good, but very similar. Barely workable, I'll give it a "yes."
75 Bandersnatch - 4 variant, one is a hero. They're all different, so good enough. "Yes."
55 Wraith - oh look, finally not a heavy/assault! All 4 variants identical. Big fat "NO."
70 Daikyu - 5 variant, 3 are unique. Good enough, gets a "yes."
30 Jackal - OOH YAY A LIGHT MECH, I LOVE LIGHTS. Only 2 are good, and they are the same. DANGIT.
75 Rakshasa - 3 good variants, only 2 unique. But... can probably borrow hardpoints from TBRs. So, "maybe."

Requiemking, on 18 June 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

I must admit, this is a very interesting list. I did notice a few missing mechs, however.

Commando IIC- Clan 25 ton Battlemech.
Wraith- IS 55 ton Battlemech.

Commando was already included. =P
Has only one variant, so I gave it a "no."

Metus regem, on 19 June 2017 - 04:39 AM, said:

How does the Coyotl not have any viable variants? It doesn't use any tech not in game, it's got around cockpit height, just above, at and just below, level hard points, decent speed and a good jumping variant in the A second only to the Viper in both speed and jump for a 40 toner. Granted she's not razor optimized since she lacks FF, only has two variants (Prime/A) and is in mothballs due to the supplement it came out in. I still say she could be a very solid 40t Clan Omni, all she needs is a couple more variants.

EDIT:
Espically when you give the Phantom 5 viable variants, the Black Jack Omni 3 and the Geometry challenged Avatar 5!

Coyotl has a grand total of 2 variants. Not enough to make a mech pack out of. I prioritise chassis that have at least 3 unique variants.

[Metus regem]

Tarogato, on 19 June 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Coyotl has a grand total of 2 variants. Not enough to make a mech pack out of. I prioritise chassis that have at least 3 unique variants.

Now that I know the extra criteria, then no issue with your methods, at the time of my reading how ever that was not clear while being puzzling as to why units with definite problems in MWO got a pass, while what could likely be one of the best mediums for Clans (if she got another variant) did not.


As an aside, I'd like to see the Templar in that list, as she looks to be very solid in terms of hit boxes (massive shield arms with small ST's) and near cockpit level side torso mounts. To Templar's detriment how ever it is an IS Omni with a locked 340 series XL engine and Endo Steel.

[Tarogato]

Metus regem, on 19 June 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

... puzzling as to why units with definite problems in MWO got a pass

Hrmm... which? Did I eff something up?

[FLG 01]

Tarogato, on 19 June 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Coyotl has a grand total of 2 variants. Not enough to make a mech pack out of. I prioritise chassis that have at least 3 unique variants.

I am not sure if that is entirely fair. The Uziel and the Marauder IIC also made it into the game with merely two canon variants, the rest being PGI inventions. Yes, they have more canon variants in BattleTech but we don't get those. PGI is perfectly happy to make up the majority of the Mech variants.
I am not happy about it, and I actually complained about it, but the community does not seem to mind. So it would be a bit unfair to exclude a Mech on those grounds.

[Tarogato]

FLG 01, on 19 June 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

I am not sure if that is entirely fair. The Uziel and the Marauder IIC also made it into the game with merely two canon variants, the rest being PGI inventions. Yes, they have more canon variants in BattleTech but we don't get those. PGI is perfectly happy to make up the majority of the Mech variants.
I am not happy about it, and I actually complained about it, but the community does not seem to mind. So it would be a bit unfair to exclude a Mech on those grounds.

Yeah, it bothers me that PGI introduces so many mechs with made-up variants. The Onion IIC is an example of this, it only had one single variant, and PGI invented the rest. IMO, a travesty, and I would for sure give the Onion IIC a "no" and not include it into the game until other more low-hanging fruit were introduced. While PGI can do whatever the helI they want, I'll focus my spreadsheet's yes/no column on the low-hanging fruits. =P

(plus some exceptions, like quads)

But note, with the MAD-IIC (and all IIC variants actually), PGI just took hardpoints directly from the IS variants.

Edited by Tarogato, 19 June 2017 - 03:12 PM.

[Metus regem]

Tarogato, on 19 June 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

Hrmm... which? Did I eff something up?

You? No....

Phantom has a 360 series XL engine, so stupid fast, but no armour and no fire power.

Avatar, massive hit boxes issues with a lock 280 XL engine

Black Jack Omni, locked 200 XL with a wide body will be problematic....

[Tarogato]

Metus regem, on 19 June 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

You? No....

Phantom has a 360 series XL engine, so stupid fast, but no armour and no fire power.

Avatar, massive hit boxes issues with a lock 280 XL engine

Black Jack Omni, locked 200 XL with a wide body will be problematic....

Phantom,

Remember, armour doesn't matter. All mechs once introduced to MWO run max armour. Unless you want to look at mechs noted particularly for their tankiness in Battletech, then they might get some armour/structure quirks in MWO.

No firepower? It's a 40-tonner with 4 missile and 2 energy, or up to 12 energy. Builds:

6 cERSL, 15 DHS
6 cERSL, ECM, 14 DHS
6 cSPL, 12 DHS
5 cSPL, 13 DHS
5 cSPL, ECM, 12 DHS
4 cERML, 15 DHS
12 cUPL, 12 DHS
9 cUPL, ECM, 12 DHS
10 cERUL + 2 cSPL, 13 DHS
6 cERUL + 6 cFlamer, 13 DHS
4x cSRM2 (3.5tons ammo), 12 DHS
2x ATM3 (2.0tons ammo) + 4x cERUL, 12 DHS

Might need some quirks, especially for missiles, but 6 cERSL is nothing to scoff at, and who knows yet if micro pulse (cUPL) and ER micros (cERUL) will be any good. For all we know... they could turn out rather useful. And this mech can boat just about the maximum of any mech in the game so far, so... if any mech can make them work, this one can. It's basically the perfect platform for them.





Avatar,

Agreed that the locked XL280 is an issue, but I don't think it has bad hitboxes. It's definitely not a barn door, looks like it could have a rather large CT actually, and rather small side torsos that can be shielded effectively by twisting. It might be a viable mech, just not a good mech. Look at the Warhammer, and people run almost exclusively XL engines in that, some people even dipping below the 300 rating. So I think the Avatar is actually a reasonable pick for an IS omni (so many others are worse).




Blackjack 2,

Not a good choice. But I think it would be a playable mech, not dead in the water. Engine desync saves slow mechs like this, plus it could benefit from some hefty durability quirks and it would definitely get a heat dissipation quirk (like the VND, KFX, etc). Builds,

2 RAC5 (6 tons ammo), 10 DHS
2 UAC5 (6 tons ammo) + 4 ERSL, 10 DHS
2 LB10 (5 tons ammo), 10 DHS
2 RAC2 (5 tons ammo) + LPPC, 12 DHS
3 LPL, 14 DHS
3 SNPPC + 6 MG (3 tons ammo), 12 DHS
1 AC20 (3 tons ammo) + HPPC, 11 DHS
1 AC10 (3 tons ammo) + 5 MPL, 12 DHS
1 Gauss (3 tons ammo) + 3 MPL, 12 DHS
1 UAC10 (3 tons ammo) + 4 MPL, 12 DHS
2 MRM2 (5 tons ammo) + SNPPC (or 3MPL), 11 DHS

[TheArisen]

Tarogato, on 19 June 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Added all of those mechs. Commentary:

80 Legacy - 3 variants, good enough.
70 Hercules - only 3 variants, one is a hero, and the other two are almost identical. Doesn't merit a "yes" from me.
70 Shootish - only 3 variants, and they're all the same! Boooooring. Nope.
75 Falconer - only 2 variants, and they're identical. Nope.
65 Jinggau - 4 variants, but only one of them fits MWO. So nope.
65 Scourge - only 2 variants, also dark age. Nope.
60 Anvil - 6 variants, 4 are viable but all very similar. Barely different enough for me to say "maybe" instead of "no."
100 Thunderhawk - 3 good variants, all the same, really deserves a "no", just different enough to squeeze a "maybe."
95 Cerberus - YES FINALLY, A MECH WITH ENOUGH UNIQUE VARIANTS. This has 4, they're all different. Yay.
90 Viking - only two viable variants. Not enough. Nope.
90 Viking IIC - single variant. Nope.
75 Toyama - 3 variants, 2 of them have weird gyros. Nope.
75 Dragon Fire - 4 variants, 3 are good, but all identical. No good.
95 Albatross - 4 variants, only 2 are good and they are identical. No good.
85 Gunslinger - 4 variant, they're all good, but very similar. Barely workable, I'll give it a "yes."
75 Bandersnatch - 4 variant, one is a hero. They're all different, so good enough. "Yes."
55 Wraith - oh look, finally not a heavy/assault! All 4 variants identical. Big fat "NO."
70 Daikyu - 5 variant, 3 are unique. Good enough, gets a "yes."
30 Jackal - OOH YAY A LIGHT MECH, I LOVE LIGHTS. Only 2 are good, and they are the same. DANGIT.
75 Rakshasa - 3 good variants, only 2 unique. But... can probably borrow hardpoints from TBRs. So, "maybe."









Commando was already included. =P
Has only one variant, so I gave it a "no."


Coyotl has a grand total of 2 variants. Not enough to make a mech pack out of. I prioritise chassis that have at least 3 unique variants.

I would've mentioned more mediums & lights but I forgot a couple at the time.

Raijin would be a fair choice.