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[Ovion]

Cimarb, on 25 November 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

For instance, the Locust (Tier 1: $20 over the previous tier 0), and the Battlemaster (Tier 4: $20 over the previous tier 3). The Locust costs exactly the same as the much heavier and vastly more expensive in game Battlemaster.

As another example, the Kit Fox (Tier 1: $30 over the previous tier 0), and the Dire Wolf (Tier 4: $30 over the previous tier 3). The Kit Fox, again, costs exactly the same as the much heavier and vastly more expensive in game Dire Wolf.

You cannot say "but the Clan packs have more in them" to justify a 50% increase in cost, when the higher package tiers have more in them at the exact same cost as lower tiers. Either it should get exponentially more expensive (which is dumb) or the packs should cost the same regardless of faction.

The problem is we are willing to pay the additional cost, apparently. I actually wish they would increase the cost of the IS packs to $30, so you would maybe understand the issue some of us have with it...

See, that's the thing isn't it.

While each tier is $30, the Kit Fox / Mist Lynx ones have around $30+ of stuff in it (relative to the game.

To get the Direwolf, yes, it's $30 for that tier, but you have to have spent $210 already to get it. Effectively, a bulk discount. (And 90 for the Man o' War thing), making the price actual $240 (and $120 respectively).

This is acceptable relative to the standard cost as set by the game.

Putting it down to $20 a tier would make them a much better price I agree, but would then torpedo the economy they have put in place.

The IS packs (Locust, Panther) have $20+ worth of stuff, and again, it's $20 for the mech, but you have to have already spent $60, making the cost to get the big ones $80.
And I'm not saying 'the clan packs have more in' to justify it (hell, the new IS ones do too), that's simply pointing out, we are at least getting more for our money than in previous packs.

My point is, that the packs makesense in regards to pricing set by the game.

The Clan Mechs are roughly 50% more expensive than their IS counterparts in game (due to the inclusion of XL+ engines and upgrades on any given mech), therefore it makes sense to me for the Clan packs 50% more expensive than than the IS packs, rather than arbitrary.

[Odanan]

MightyBolamite, on 25 November 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

I think I read someone say something to the effect of 'Stingers and Wasps were LAMs before they were Mechs'.
Blew. My. Mind.
I thought LAMs were something they (BT creators) tacked on after creating the Mechs. Like a mod or something.
I... I need to have a sit and rethink my life.

In Battletech tabletop they were introduced as mechs. Later, the lore was enriched with all kind of stories, including the one about LAMs.

[Cimarb]

Ovion, on 26 November 2014 - 02:40 AM, said:

See, that's the thing isn't it.
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And I'm not saying 'the clan packs have more in' to justify it (hell, the new IS ones do too), that's simply pointing out, we are at least getting more for our money than in previous packs.

My point is, that the packs makesense in regards to pricing set by the game.

The Clan Mechs are roughly 50% more expensive than their IS counterparts in game (due to the inclusion of XL+ engines and upgrades on any given mech), therefore it makes sense to me for the Clan packs 50% more expensive than than the IS packs, rather than arbitrary.

Ok, you are getting too hung up on the Tiered package pricing, where you have to buy them in order, and overlooking the PER TIER pricing I am talking about.

Let us rewind and approach it from a different angle: ala carte.

Any mech, from any IS package, is $35 ala carte. It does not matter which pack, nor which mech within that pack, nor how much tonnage it is, nor what is actually equipped on it. A trio of 20-ton Locusts - value of roughly 4.5m cbills or 1800 MC - is $35. For that exact same $35, though, you can get the trio of Battlemasters, with a value of slightly over 22m cbills or ~9,000 MC. Same price, even though you get five times the value out of it.

Any mech, from any Clan package now, is $55 ala carte (roughly 50% more still). Again, it does not matter which one, so you can get just under 18m cbills worth (~7000 MC) for a Kit Fox trio, or for the exact same price, get a trio of Dire Wolves that is worth 53m cbills (~21000 MC). The difference between those is much closer, at only three times the value, but that illustrates my point even better.

You are paying a completely arbitrary price for the ala carte mechs (and packages). I call it arbitrary because it has nothing to do with the actual value of the contents. It is not based upon tonnage. It is not based upon the value of the equipment within it. It is not based upon anything, other than PGI stating: "this is what we are charging".

[Odanan]

Cimarb, on 26 November 2014 - 06:58 AM, said:

You are paying a completely arbitrary price for the ala carte mechs (and packages). I call it arbitrary because it has nothing to do with the actual value of the contents. It is not based upon tonnage. It is not based upon the value of the equipment within it. It is not based upon anything, other than PGI stating: "this is what we are charging".

Still, the price for the Clan A La Carte and each tier is 50% more - the logic conclusion is the Clan hero mechs will be approximately 50% more expensive than the IS ones.

(and frankly, PGI would be stupid to sell the Clan hero mechs at the same price of the IS ones)

[Cimarb]

Odanan, on 26 November 2014 - 07:07 AM, said:

Still, the price for the Clan A La Carte and each tier is 50% more - the logic conclusion is the Clan hero mechs will be approximately 50% more expensive than the IS ones.

(and frankly, PGI would be stupid to sell the Clan hero mechs at the same price of the IS ones)

I think the logical thing to do would be to make them the same price. Whether that means the IS packs are increased, Clan packs decreased, or meet in the middle, I could care less, but there is nothing logical about charging one group more than another, when they are "equal" in the game.

[Odanan]

Cimarb, on 26 November 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

I think the logical thing to do would be to make them the same price. Whether that means the IS packs are increased, Clan packs decreased, or meet in the middle, I could care less, but there is nothing logical about charging one group more than another, when they are "equal" in the game.

And so I rest my case.

[Metus regem]

Cimarb, on 26 November 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

I think the logical thing to do would be to make them the same price. Whether that means the IS packs are increased, Clan packs decreased, or meet in the middle, I could care less, but there is nothing logical about charging one group more than another, when they are "equal" in the game.

And that's the point, in TT the clan mechs cost more, simply because they are better. Here in MWO, that cost doesn't reflect the near parity between the two factions, until one starts to include the upgrades, like DHS, FF and Endo....

Even still on some mrchs, like the Summoner this really hurts it, as it lacks most of those upgrades.

[Cimarb]

Odanan, on 26 November 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

And so I rest my case.

I do not follow. You rest your case because I am right, maybe?..

[Cimarb]

Metus regem, on 26 November 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

And that's the point, in TT the clan mechs cost more, simply because they are better. Here in MWO, that cost doesn't reflect the near parity between the two factions, until one starts to include the upgrades, like DHS, FF and Endo....

Even still on some mrchs, like the Summoner this really hurts it, as it lacks most of those upgrades.

Not quite. Clan mechs are not more expensive "simply because they are better". They are "better" simply because they have more advanced technology equipped by default. You could say the same thing about certain IS mech variants.

Compare the Raven variants, for instance. You have the 2X and 4X, which are "low tech" IS variants, and the 3L, which is a "high tech" IS variant. The 2X/4X is 2.5m cbills, while the 3L is 5.8m. That is a 132% increase in cost between them, simply based upon the equipment loaded. Yet, if you purchase a Raven Hero mech, regardless of what is equipped on it, you still only pay 75MC/ton.

Now compare the Raven variants to the Adder's. All three variants hover right around the 7m cbill mark, which makes them slightly more expensive than the Raven 3L, but the difference is only a 20% increase, compared to the 132% between the Raven variants.

I have no problem with any of the pricing strategies PGI is using. All I want is for them to be used equally between factions. For instance, would it be okay if they decided to start charging us Bears more money than Clan Wolf was charged?

[Odanan]

Cimarb, on 26 November 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

I do not follow. You rest your case because I am right, maybe?..

I rest my case because you are convinced of your argument and nothing or no one will change that.

[Odanan]

So, the best is just wait for the reveal of the first hero Clan omnimech.

[Cimarb]

Odanan, on 26 November 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

I rest my case because you are convinced of your argument and nothing or no one will change that.

As I said before, I actually believed the same way you did until someone changed my mind through facts and polite debate. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, but in this case I am not.

[Odanan]

Not related to the topic, but I need to ask you something, guys.

If I buy the a Resistance A La Carte, do I get all the monthly rewards?

[Bishop Steiner]

http://mwomercs.com/...h-3d-model-wip/

a little self promotion from the Fan Creation side, since aside from Odanan and Myself ti seems few tread there.

Thanks to Joe3142 for working on this.

That makes over 1/2 dozen of my designs someone has been modeling, especially with AUSwarrior24 double project
working on my assassin

and my Vulcan


http://mwomercs.com/...-model-project/

and Kiriage's work on my King Crab. (seems Australians like my stuff!)


http://vid1279.photo...zpsfc3c0e6b.mp4

about the only way I could be more flattered and stoked would be to have PGI ask to use one, or CGL publish something of mine.

Our fan artists for this community are simply amazing.

Sorry for the off topic interruption, but since I desperately want the Urbie, Assassin and Vulcan in game, and the KGC IS coming, it's not too off topic.

Seeing it in 3D only confirms (to me) my opinion that my Vulcan might be my best design.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 27 November 2014 - 06:52 PM.

[Metus regem]

I'm happy Bishop, that you are getting a KC, and I wish you luck in getting the Urban Mech, I'm not likely going to feel the same excitement anytime soon as my most wanted, are all unseens or just not feasable in game-play right now.

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 27 November 2014 - 07:09 PM, said:

I'm happy Bishop, that you are getting a KC, and I wish you luck in getting the Urban Mech, I'm not likely going to feel the same excitement anytime soon as my most wanted, are all unseens or just not feasable in game-play right now.

oh, I desperately want a Warhammer.

I just have to accept the Hellbringer as my surrogate. As for my other real want, the Marauder, I really would LOVE to have a mildly massaged reseen version, tbh.

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 27 November 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

Not related to the topic, but I need to ask you something, guys.

If I buy the a Resistance A La Carte, do I get all the monthly rewards?

I cannot find that answer anywhere, tbh. Anyone buy a Clan Mech ala carte in time to see if they got any rewards?

[Captain Stiffy]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 November 2014 - 07:20 PM, said:

oh, I desperately want a Warhammer.

I just have to accept the Hellbringer as my surrogate. As for my other real want, the Marauder, I really would LOVE to have a mildly massaged reseen version, tbh.

I would actually buy a Hero Marauder II and that is the only mech I would ever actually buy.

[Butane9000]

I don't post very often anymore but I browse the thread quite often.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 November 2014 - 07:20 PM, said:

oh, I desperately want a Warhammer.

I just have to accept the Hellbringer as my surrogate. As for my other real want, the Marauder, I really would LOVE to have a mildly massaged reseen version, tbh.

My big wants are a little off the wall, but the Hellbringer will just become the last WHM-6D I ran, so should be okay..

My big wants:

MAD-4X
WHM-6R or D
CRD-3L
PHX-HK2M LAM
WSP-105M LAM

In other words the "Harmony Gold is dead" pack...

The LAM's are there since I love to fly, and I love versatility.

On an aside, Bishop, I recently bought the Centurion Mastery pack, I really do like the 9D, the Wang just isn't fast enough for my tastes....

Edited by Metus regem, 27 November 2014 - 07:58 PM.