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#10361 SgtMagor

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 06:27 AM

still waiting on a jumping Daishi, but a flying Masa would be kewl!

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 06:29 AM

View PostSgtMagor, on 07 March 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

still waiting on a jumping Daishi, but a flying Masa would be kewl!


Direwolf - S I Believe (not at home so, Can't recall exactly).

I have one, its fun, in a 18m Hoverjet kinda way.

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 04:06 PM

View PostSoul Tribunal, on 07 March 2015 - 06:29 AM, said:


Direwolf - S I Believe (not at home so, Can't recall exactly).


Not yet available to those who do not pay $$ for it, as it is currently only on the "Gift" page

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Posted 08 March 2015 - 09:22 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 March 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Just got to wonder if it was actualyl TT viable.

Remember Vlad Ward's Executioner form Phelan's Trial of Position? Had over 42 tons of weaponry......on a mech that carries about 27.

View PostMetus regem, on 06 March 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

Of that, 15t were plot tonnage.... So they don't count.

That or the wrighter ment Dire Wolf, but autocorrect made it Executioner?

"The Executioner appeared in his aft arc. Phelan cursed the loss of his secondary monitor and shunted a data feed to his auxiliary monitor. Immediately, the computer filled it with an information scan of the OmniMech. He saw that each arm mounted a Gauss rifle and each side of the torso was arrayed with one large laser and two medium lasers." - Blood Legacy, ch. 19
"With his altered priorities in place, the Executioner's battle computer cycled through his lasers before it got to his remaining Gauss rifle. The pulse laser in the shattered right breast stitched a half-dozen steaming holes in the Lone Wolf's right leg. The other two pulse lasers both melted a deep hole in Phelan's right flank. The Executioner's large laser lanced its red beam through the left side of the Lone Wolf's chest as Phelan brought his machine back under control and turned it to face Vlad." - Blood Legacy, ch. 19

x2 Clan Gauss Rifles (12t each)
x2 Clan ER Large Lasers (4t each)
x4 Clan Medium Pulse Lasers (2t each)

Vlad's 'Mech is packing 40 tons of weaponry, before ammunition for the Gauss Rifles is taken into account. By contrast, the Gladiator only has 26.50 tons of pod space. :huh:

With this being the same Vlad that eventually fell for (and was willing to actually go to war over) Katherine Steiner-Davion, maybe he did something crazy like de-Omni-zed his Gladiator in order to pack in even more weaponry? :blink:
Or, more likely, Stackpole was like, "Well, this Executioner is only, like, five tons lighter than this Dire Wolf, so it totally probably has more-or-less the same carrying capacity, right?" :rolleyes:

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Posted 08 March 2015 - 09:26 AM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 08 March 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

"The Executioner appeared in his aft arc. Phelan cursed the loss of his secondary monitor and shunted a data feed to his auxiliary monitor. Immediately, the computer filled it with an information scan of the OmniMech. He saw that each arm mounted a Gauss rifle and each side of the torso was arrayed with one large laser and two medium lasers." - Blood Legacy, ch. 19
"With his altered priorities in place, the Executioner's battle computer cycled through his lasers before it got to his remaining Gauss rifle. The pulse laser in the shattered right breast stitched a half-dozen steaming holes in the Lone Wolf's right leg. The other two pulse lasers both melted a deep hole in Phelan's right flank. The Executioner's large laser lanced its red beam through the left side of the Lone Wolf's chest as Phelan brought his machine back under control and turned it to face Vlad." - Blood Legacy, ch. 19

x2 Clan Gauss Rifles (12t each)
x2 Clan ER Large Lasers (4t each)
x4 Clan Medium Pulse Lasers (2t each)

Vlad's 'Mech is packing 40 tons of weaponry, before ammunition for the Gauss Rifles is taken into account. By contrast, the Gladiator only has 26.50 tons of pod space. :huh:

With this being the same Vlad that eventually fell for (and was willing to actually go to war over) Katherine Steiner-Davion, maybe he did something crazy like de-Omni-zed his Gladiator in order to pack in even more weaponry? :blink:
Or, more likely, Stackpole was like, "Well, this Executioner is only, like, five tons lighter than this Dire Wolf, so it totally probably has more-or-less the same carrying capacity, right?" :rolleyes:


:) like I said plot tonnage.

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Posted 08 March 2015 - 09:33 AM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 08 March 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

"The Executioner appeared in his aft arc. Phelan cursed the loss of his secondary monitor and shunted a data feed to his auxiliary monitor. Immediately, the computer filled it with an information scan of the OmniMech. He saw that each arm mounted a Gauss rifle and each side of the torso was arrayed with one large laser and two medium lasers." - Blood Legacy, ch. 19
"With his altered priorities in place, the Executioner's battle computer cycled through his lasers before it got to his remaining Gauss rifle. The pulse laser in the shattered right breast stitched a half-dozen steaming holes in the Lone Wolf's right leg. The other two pulse lasers both melted a deep hole in Phelan's right flank. The Executioner's large laser lanced its red beam through the left side of the Lone Wolf's chest as Phelan brought his machine back under control and turned it to face Vlad." - Blood Legacy, ch. 19

x2 Clan Gauss Rifles (12t each)
x2 Clan ER Large Lasers (4t each)
x4 Clan Medium Pulse Lasers (2t each)

Vlad's 'Mech is packing 40 tons of weaponry, before ammunition for the Gauss Rifles is taken into account. By contrast, the Gladiator only has 26.50 tons of pod space. :huh:

With this being the same Vlad that eventually fell for (and was willing to actually go to war over) Katherine Steiner-Davion, maybe he did something crazy like de-Omni-zed his Gladiator in order to pack in even more weaponry? :blink:
Or, more likely, Stackpole was like, "Well, this Executioner is only, like, five tons lighter than this Dire Wolf, so it totally probably has more-or-less the same carrying capacity, right?" :rolleyes:

yup, kinda my point.

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Posted 08 March 2015 - 11:00 AM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 08 March 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

"The Executioner appeared in his aft arc. Phelan cursed the loss of his secondary monitor and shunted a data feed to his auxiliary monitor. Immediately, the computer filled it with an information scan of the OmniMech. He saw that each arm mounted a Gauss rifle and each side of the torso was arrayed with one large laser and two medium lasers." - Blood Legacy, ch. 19
"With his altered priorities in place, the Executioner's battle computer cycled through his lasers before it got to his remaining Gauss rifle. The pulse laser in the shattered right breast stitched a half-dozen steaming holes in the Lone Wolf's right leg. The other two pulse lasers both melted a deep hole in Phelan's right flank. The Executioner's large laser lanced its red beam through the left side of the Lone Wolf's chest as Phelan brought his machine back under control and turned it to face Vlad." - Blood Legacy, ch. 19

x2 Clan Gauss Rifles (12t each)
x2 Clan ER Large Lasers (4t each)
x4 Clan Medium Pulse Lasers (2t each)

Vlad's 'Mech is packing 40 tons of weaponry, before ammunition for the Gauss Rifles is taken into account. By contrast, the Gladiator only has 26.50 tons of pod space. :huh:

With this being the same Vlad that eventually fell for (and was willing to actually go to war over) Katherine Steiner-Davion, maybe he did something crazy like de-Omni-zed his Gladiator in order to pack in even more weaponry? :blink:
Or, more likely, Stackpole was like, "Well, this Executioner is only, like, five tons lighter than this Dire Wolf, so it totally probably has more-or-less the same carrying capacity, right?" :rolleyes:

Or even, the "Executioner" is actually the name of Vlad's custom variant, not the name of the chassis.

Vlad usually piloted a Warhawk, but that's 32.5 free tons. So, it must be a Dire Wolf (equipped maybe with targeting computer).

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Posted 08 March 2015 - 11:48 AM

View PostOdanan, on 08 March 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

Or even, the "Executioner" is actually the name of Vlad's custom variant, not the name of the chassis.

Vlad usually piloted a Warhawk, but that's 32.5 free tons. So, it must be a Dire Wolf (equipped maybe with targeting computer).

that would be stretching it, and mechs for trials usually have little to do with your normal assignments (and Vlad actually was shown most regularly in Timberwolves, even though Ulrich says that is not his usual mech. But it's what he fought in during the battles on the Rock, the Refusal War and against Kai Allard Liao on Strana Mechty.

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 11:05 AM

BTW, Arctic Cheetah concept art will be revealed in 2 days (March, 13).
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I'm looking forward for that little bugger. (and I wonder how they will do the missile hardpoints in the arms)

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 12:18 PM

After playing the Firestarter for the last week to prep for my Trial of Bloodright match in light mechs, I hope the ACH is at least on par with it. I dislike light mechs, but the FS9-S is overpowered enough that even I enjoy it. I just want the same enjoyment out of a Clan light for once...

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 12:58 PM

View PostOdanan, on 11 March 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

BTW, Arctic Cheetah concept art will be revealed in 2 days (March, 13).
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I'm looking forward for that little bugger. (and I wonder how they will do the missile hardpoints in the arms)

I'd imagine that it's a given that they'd move the launchers down to the forearms, in order to accommodate the arm-reticle & associated aiming mechanics...? :huh:

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 01:10 PM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 11 March 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

I'd imagine that it's a given that they'd move the launchers down to the forearms, in order to accommodate the arm-reticle & associated aiming mechanics...? :huh:


Or failing that, they will be in the LT/RT....

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 01:38 PM

View PostMetus regem, on 11 March 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:


Or failing that, they will be in the LT/RT....

They won't. See the hardpoints.

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 01:56 PM

View PostCimarb, on 11 March 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

After playing the Firestarter for the last week to prep for my Trial of Bloodright match in light mechs, I hope the ACH is at least on par with it. I dislike light mechs, but the FS9-S is overpowered enough that even I enjoy it. I just want the same enjoyment out of a Clan light for once...


I get the feeling folks are going to like the speed, but after boosting the armor from 152 to 206 pts it looks like it's going to have a ferret-like amount of free tonnage (8.5 tons, 9t after shaving an arm for 18 pts/0.5 tons) with 9 engine-mounted DHS and an external DHS. Less weight available after ECM and/or a TC1.

That seems like it's gonna make for some hot builds when/if folks try to max the hardpoints. That's compounded by 3 tons of locked JJ's that would be trimmed on a Firestarter or Spider to free up weight, and the heat interfering with weapon cooling it they're used in combat. The builds might even look Ferret-like if people scale them back to tame the heat. 0.o

I hope folks find something they can enjoy too, I think we'll need to adjust expectations though. The speed's a big deal, and the ECM is worth plenty too. I'm wondering about how the other stuff's going to work out once people start actully building and running them.

Personally, I'm looking forward to a 6 or 7 cERSL build for lulz :D

Edit: Clarity, added thought

Edited by Virlutris, 11 March 2015 - 02:14 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 03:45 PM

View PostVirlutris, on 11 March 2015 - 01:56 PM, said:

I get the feeling folks are going to like the speed, but after boosting the armor from 152 to 206 pts it looks like it's going to have a ferret-like amount of free tonnage (8.5 tons, 9t after shaving an arm for 18 pts/0.5 tons) with 9 engine-mounted DHS and an external DHS. Less weight available after ECM and/or a TC1.

That seems like it's gonna make for some hot builds when/if folks try to max the hardpoints. That's compounded by 3 tons of locked JJ's that would be trimmed on a Firestarter or Spider to free up weight, and the heat interfering with weapon cooling it they're used in combat. The builds might even look Ferret-like if people scale them back to tame the heat. 0.o

I hope folks find something they can enjoy too, I think we'll need to adjust expectations though. The speed's a big deal, and the ECM is worth plenty too. I'm wondering about how the other stuff's going to work out once people start actully building and running them.

Personally, I'm looking forward to a 6 or 7 cERSL build for lulz :D

Edit: Clarity, added thought

I want to try a 2x SRM6, 4x ER Small Laser.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 10:58 AM

Arctic Cheetah revealed!
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Loved it!

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 10:59 AM

View PostOdanan, on 13 March 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

Arctic Cheetah revealed!
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Loved it!

But dat baby Mauler torso

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 11:33 AM

Sold... Friggin sold....

I'll sell blood (and other bodily fluids),. beg the wife, ask for forgiveness as I misinterpret her "no" as a "yes", FORGO DRINKING ON ST. PATTY'S.........

I.... Must..... Buy......

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 12:21 PM

want this!!! (i know it will never happen, imagine the TTK if u have a 75 damage gauss alpha :P )

but it is the best looking mech i have seen so far...

the OMEGA!!!

http://www.sarna.net...ega_(BattleMech)

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Edited by L3mming2, 13 March 2015 - 12:25 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 12:35 PM

View PostL3mming2, on 13 March 2015 - 12:21 PM, said:

want this!!! (i know it will never happen, imagine the TTK if u have a 75 damage gauss alpha :P )

but it is the best looking mech i have seen so far...

the OMEGA!!!

http://www.sarna.net...ega_(BattleMech)

Do super-heavies follow their own, separate construction rules?

Edited by Anyone00, 13 March 2015 - 12:36 PM.






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