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#11661 MeiSooHaityu

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:12 AM

View PostOdanan, on 28 December 2015 - 08:07 AM, said:

You said it right: slowly.

A light mech at 86 km/h? Cougar might be great in MW4, but it would be bad in MWO. Posted Image


Bah, not that I care much. I'm still looking forward to it (if it ever is implemented :( ).

With LRMs and 2 ERLLasers it is meant to be mobile fire support anyway. It would be like piloting any slow light such as an Adder (it's base), Kitfox, Panther, Urbanmech,etc... You just need to be smart and pick your battles...and know you have a low tier light.

I still say bring it on :)

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:13 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 December 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:

Well, Panther is even slower. And I run a 67 kph Urbie with some success. Posted Image

Panther can go at 115.7/124.4 km/h.

The Cougar is an OmniMech and you can't change it's engine.

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:16 AM

View PostMetus regem, on 28 December 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

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Oh look, a better Atlas.... Posted Image

how does it move with such tiny little legs? It looks like a "little person" turned body builder wearing a Kylo Ren mask and Wolverine gloves.

View PostOdanan, on 28 December 2015 - 08:13 AM, said:

Panther can go at 115.7/124.4 km/h.

The Cougar is an OmniMech and you can't change it's engine.

CAN go doesn't mean it Does go.

And my 67 kph Urbie? (1.63 KDr/ 1.17 W/L) Posted Image

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 December 2015 - 08:16 AM.


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:26 AM

View PostMeiSooHaityu, on 28 December 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:


Bah, not that I care much. I'm still looking forward to it (if it ever is implemented :( ).

With LRMs and 2 ERLLasers it is meant to be mobile fire support anyway. It would be like piloting any slow light such as an Adder (it's base), Kitfox, Panther, Urbanmech,etc... You just need to be smart and pick your battles...and know you have a low tier light.

I still say bring it on :)


Stock Cougar is 2 cLPL and 2 cLRM 10... If you down grade to cERLL, you could upgrade to cLRM10 +Artemis...

As for the speed, my Adder prime does quite well for itself, being a pocket medium...

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:32 AM

#keepthefleafaith

It's not "dead" to us!

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:34 AM

View PostMetus regem, on 28 December 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

Stock Cougar is 2 cLPL and 2 cLRM 10... If you down grade to cERLL, you could upgrade to cLRM10 +Artemis...

As for the speed, my Adder prime does quite well for itself, being a pocket medium...

your Adder is faster. Just playing devils advocate here. Apples to apples, etc

View Postcdlord, on 28 December 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

#keepthefleafaith

It's not "dead" to us!

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:35 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 December 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

your Adder is faster. Just playing devils advocate here. Apples to apples, etc


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:36 AM

Not enough to really matter (should break 90kph (92~94) with Speed Tweak), but good enough to point out.

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:37 AM

View Postcdlord, on 28 December 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

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Nope. I have the high ground.

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:40 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 December 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:

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Nope. I have the high ground.

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:50 AM

View Postcdlord, on 28 December 2015 - 08:40 AM, said:

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I'm sure you'll thank me for it later.... Humpty Dumpty.
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Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 December 2015 - 08:52 AM.


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:53 AM

View Postcdlord, on 28 December 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

#keepthefleafaith

It's not "dead" to us!

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Oh look a legged Locust 1E.... :P

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:54 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 December 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:


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I'm sure you'll thank me for it later.... Humpty Dumpty.
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Still here! :D
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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:54 AM

View PostMetus regem, on 28 December 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

Oh look a legged Locust 1E.... Posted Image

Well, looking at it's face i'd say a Locust that mated with
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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:57 AM

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:15 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 27 December 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Sounds great! No Flea! Hopefully the Failclops will follow it.

So, what's with the hate-on for the Cyclops? Posted Image

If anything, the Cyclops is a very strong candidate for a near-term (of not "next") IS Assault 'Mech.

It has a number of variants that would be available:
  • CP-10-Z: the "common"/"default" variant, available since 2710
    • Default Loadout: x2 Medium Lasers, x1 AC/20, x1 LRM-10, x1 SRM-4
    • Minimum Hardpoints: x2 energy (LA, RA), x1 ballistic (RT), x2 missile (LT, CT)
    • Default Engine: STD 360
  • CP-10-Z-DC: a variation of the common Cyclops equipped with a Command Console
    • Default Loadout: x2 Medium Lasers, x1 AC/20, x1 LRM-10, x1 SRM-4
    • Minimum Hardpoints: x2 energy (LA, RA), x1 ballistic (RT), x2 missile (LT, CT)
    • Default Engine: STD 360
  • CP-10-Q: variant focused more on missile-based long-range combat & energy-based close-range combat, available since 2801
    • Default Loadout: x3 Medium Lasers, x2 LRM-10s, x1 SRM-4
    • Minimum Hardpoints: x3 energy (LA, RT, RA), x3 missile (LT, CT, RT)
    • Default Engine: STD 360
  • CP-11-A: a LosTech variant, available since 3045
    • Default Loadout: x2 Medium Lasers, x1 Gauss Rifle, x1 LRM-10, x1 SRM-4
    • Minimum Hardpoints: x2 energy (LA, RA), x1 ballistic (RT), x2 missile (LT, CT)
    • Default Engine: STD 360
  • CP-11-A-DC: a LosTech variant equipped with a Command Console, available since 3045
    • Default Loadout: x2 Medium Lasers, x1 Gauss Rifle, x1 LRM-10, x1 SRM-4
    • Minimum Hardpoints: x2 energy (LA, RA), x1 ballistic (RT), x2 missile (LT, CT)
    • Default Engine: STD 360
As most Cyclops variants require a minimum of only five (5) hardpoints (six, in one case) while each MWO variant of the Highlander has seven (7) hardpoints & each MWO variant of the Mauler has ten (10) hardpoints, there will likely be some hardpoint inflation (up to about eight (8) hardpoints per variant would be sufficient, IMO) for the MWO Cyclops.

The Cyclops is common and popular in-universe; "the Cyclops is a formidable weapon to be found in the battle lances of almost every `Mech regiment in the Successor States" and "the Cyclops has been a part of every major engagement in the Succession Wars, having proved itself in both close combat and as an efficient command control vehicle" (direct quotations from pg. 118 of the original TRO 3025).
Additionally, there are a number of options for potential Hero 'Mechs:
  • "General Ariana Winston, Commanding Officer of the Eridani Light Horse between 3045 to 3060, piloted a modified Cyclops which featured a dual-cockpit for command and coordination purposes."
  • "Commander of House Steiner's 32nd Lyran Guard Regiment [in 3025], Brigadier Carson Enright has commanded brigade- and division-sized 'Mech units a number of times from his Cyclops known as the 'Archon's Eye'. Enright is famous for his brash and unpredictable tactics on the battlefield. Out of his 'Mech, he is a soldier of the old school, scowling at the habits of those MechWarriors who are less disciplined than him and the troops he commands."
  • "Noted tactician of the mercenary battalion Waco's Rangers, MechWarrior Sergeant Lenny Markbright is one of the best known non-commissioned personnel to pilot a Cyclops. He is assigned as a tactical advisor to Colonel Wayne Waco's headquarters lance [as of 3025]. In his Cyclops, the 'Polyphemus', Markbright accompanies the battalion commander during an operation, keeping his keen mind turned to the output of his modified B-2000 battle computer. Known for his analytical yet flexible thinking, Lenny Markbright is one of the major reasons for Waco's Rangers' many successes."
From a gameplay perspective, the Cyclops would complement the lighter Orion and the heavier Atlas & would compete with the same-tonnage Highlander and Mauler for the 90-ton slot in CW drop decks, and would truly shine in its intended role as a command vehicle if/when PGI gets the game's EW/IW systems sorted out and/or implements some form of InfoTech-related quirks.

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:15 AM

Regardless, still want the Flea. :D

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:37 AM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 28 December 2015 - 09:15 AM, said:



The Cyclops is just a 90t Atlas. If it got Ecm like the DDC it'd be worth looking at but it wouldn't be anything special. Perhaps calling it the "Failclops" was too harsh but it's still just a 90t Atlas.

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:49 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 28 December 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

The Cyclops is just a 90t Atlas. If it got Ecm like the DDC it'd be worth looking at but it wouldn't be anything special. Perhaps calling it the "Failclops" was too harsh but it's still just a 90t Atlas.

You can apply that same logic to the Orion though and that chassis shines on it's own too. Honestly, every single mech in this game has had a serious "DOA" thread against it. Every single one proven wrong (yes, even the Mist Lynx, Adder, Kitfox.... All of them).

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:56 AM

View Postcdlord, on 28 December 2015 - 09:49 AM, said:

You can apply that same logic to the Orion though and that chassis shines on it's own too. Honestly, every single mech in this game has had a serious "DOA" thread against it. Every single one proven wrong (yes, even the Mist Lynx, Adder, Kitfox.... All of them).


I really did find the Timber Wolf DOA thread amusing....





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