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#13221 Odanan

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 02:08 PM

With packs releasing up to September, I believe we will have a drought now for mech announcements.

Probably the Black Lanner next Clan medium omnimech will appear only in the May 27th Townhall (Townhalls usually happen in the last Friday of the month).

#13222 Virlutris

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 02:24 PM

Why wouldn't they delease another IS pack mid-month?

Did Russ specifically state in the Town Hall that he wouldn't?

I'm figuring on a new 40-tonner for the next IS mech, or maybe the Charger (because I suspect there's already concept art for it).

Edited by Virlutris, 09 May 2016 - 02:25 PM.


#13223 CK16

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 02:59 PM

View PostOdanan, on 09 May 2016 - 02:08 PM, said:

With packs releasing up to September, I believe we will have a drought now for mech announcements.

Probably the Black Lanner next Clan medium omnimech will appear only in the May 27th Townhall (Townhalls usually happen in the last Friday of the month).


Hmm idk, I figure they might try to squeeze in a few more unseens. I mean Mechs pay for PGI they can not afford to make any new ones for awhile. I mean why would they stop making them? to stretch out even longer this era? Eh, I would say that would not be a smart move on their end specially with the tourney/mechcon coming up they will need to keep making profits something new mechs always boost.

Only acceptable drought I would take is if they announce say 2 to 4 of Bishops mentioned mechs then announce 8 new mechs for tech jump that would take 8 to 6 months of planning, balancing, and modeling ect. similar to Wave 1 of Clan mechs.

#13224 Odanan

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 03:36 PM

View PostVirlutris, on 09 May 2016 - 02:24 PM, said:

Why wouldn't they delease another IS pack mid-month?

I don't know.. just a gut feeling.

View PostVirlutris, on 09 May 2016 - 02:24 PM, said:

Did Russ specifically state in the Town Hall that he wouldn't?

Nope!

View PostVirlutris, on 09 May 2016 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm figuring on a new 40-tonner for the next IS mech, or maybe the Charger (because I suspect there's already concept art for it).

Oh, it's the IS time (why did I think it was a Clan mech next?)...
You guys know me, I wouldn't mind at all if they announced 2 mechs this month. And every month.

PS: where are the other Macross Unseens?

#13225 Seal Farmer

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 10:58 PM

View PostOdanan, on 09 May 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

I don't know.. just a gut feeling.

Nope!

Oh, it's the IS time (why did I think it was a Clan mech next?)...
You guys know me, I wouldn't mind at all if they announced 2 mechs this month. And every month.

PS: where are the other Macross Unseens?

Pretty sure they say 2 medium of Clan and 2 Heavy of Clan were next after the Clops, so then we got Viper and the NightGyr. So 1 medium and 1 large to go.

Maybe ..

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#13226 Karl Streiger

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 11:04 PM

View PostOdanan, on 09 May 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

PS: where are the other Macross Unseens?

They think that neither Crusader , Valkyrie, Longbow Wasp, Stinger can provide anything new - and most people would not buy a Wasp or Stinger.
OK Crusader, PHX, Valkryie, Stinger and Wasp have several parts in comon - when cannibalizing the PHX the 3D model could be less expensive to create those Mechs.
- OK maybe not Crusader -btu the 3 lights are almost identical - maybe a small package?


Ok sometimes even the presentation is important - i would have bought the Night Gyr - but its so an obvious parrot mech i rather cut my leg of instead of buying those darn Mech.

#13227 TheArisen

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 11:53 PM

View PostCK16, on 09 May 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:


Only acceptable drought I would take is if they announce say 2 to 4 of Bishops mentioned mechs then announce 8 new mechs for tech jump that would take 8 to 6 months of planning, balancing, and modeling ect. similar to Wave 1 of Clan mechs.


What about the mechs I mentioned. :(

#13228 TheArisen

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 12:00 AM

View PostKarl Streiger, on 09 May 2016 - 11:04 PM, said:

They think that neither Crusader , Valkyrie, Longbow Wasp, Stinger can provide anything new - and most people would not buy a Wasp or Stinger.
OK Crusader, PHX, Valkryie, Stinger and Wasp have several parts in comon - when cannibalizing the PHX the 3D model could be less expensive to create those Mechs.
- OK maybe not Crusader -btu the 3 lights are almost identical - maybe a small package?


Ok sometimes even the presentation is important - i would have bought the Night Gyr - but its so an obvious parrot mech i rather cut my leg of instead of buying those darn Mech.


I still don't see the point of the remaining unseen. There are objectively better mechs to choose from. For example, the Javelin is straight up better than the Valkyrie. The Wasp & Stinger are the same mech, just different name. What's the point of the Crusader when the Catapult is just about the same as well? The Longbow is the most unique, but not by much.

#13229 Karl Streiger

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 12:53 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 10 May 2016 - 12:00 AM, said:

I still don't see the point of the remaining unseen. There are objectively better mechs to choose from. For example, the Javelin is straight up better than the Valkyrie. The Wasp & Stinger are the same mech, just different name. What's the point of the Crusader when the Catapult is just about the same as well? The Longbow is the most unique, but not by much.

Crusader - is only an addition when you take all jump capable versions
pure missile or the mixed 3R could be achieved by Catapult Thunderbolt or Archer

Well the best part about the Crusader is the Grand Crusader anyhow

#13230 DarthHias

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 01:24 AM

I need new Lights this game has too many heavies and they all play the same.

#13231 Karl Streiger

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 01:51 AM

Lights?
We are talking about BattleMechs not BattleArmor!

#13232 Seal Farmer

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 01:59 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 10 May 2016 - 12:00 AM, said:

Preferred mech pack, Light: Javelin Medium: Assassin Heavy: Anvil or Penetrator Assault: Nightstar

I could get behind most of these mechs :-)

#13233 TheArisen

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 02:29 AM

View PostSeal Farmer, on 10 May 2016 - 01:59 AM, said:

I could get behind most of these mechs :-)


I'd pick the Falconer over the Penetrator these days since the Pen. is basically the BK with hi-mounts & ecm.

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 03:10 AM

View PostKarl Streiger, on 10 May 2016 - 01:51 AM, said:

Lights?
We are talking about BattleMechs not BattleArmor!


I would ride that Elemental Suit for the laughs Posted Image

#13235 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 04:57 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 10 May 2016 - 12:00 AM, said:

I still don't see the point of the remaining unseen. There are objectively better mechs to choose from. For example, the Javelin is straight up better than the Valkyrie. The Wasp & Stinger are the same mech, just different name. What's the point of the Crusader when the Catapult is just about the same as well? The Longbow is the most unique, but not by much.

Which catapult can jump and carry ballistics?
Which Catapult is liable to have massive gorilla arms to block incoming fire with?
Which catapult has Ballistics, Energy AND Missiles all on the same chassis?

Two very different mechs.

View PostKarl Streiger, on 10 May 2016 - 12:53 AM, said:

Crusader - is only an addition when you take all jump capable versions
pure missile or the mixed 3R could be achieved by Catapult Thunderbolt or Archer

Well the best part about the Crusader is the Grand Crusader anyhow

Crusader and Grand Crusader have nothing to do with one another.

"the 'Mech is named for a passage in one of the works of Jerome Blake that states "those who fight to preserve technology and knowledge are the grandest crusaders of all". In spite of this, the name can cause confusion as some assume from the name that the 'Mech is an upgraded version of the venerable Crusader BattleMech. "

View PostTheArisen, on 10 May 2016 - 02:29 AM, said:

I'd pick the Falconer over the Penetrator these days since the Pen. is basically the BK with hi-mounts & ecm.

Falconer could be neat, but I'd take a Bandersnatch over it, any day.
Each arms packs 1 B/2 E, with 3 M/2 E more in the torsos.

Easy enough to convert it to 2x AC10, 6x SL, 3x SRM4. or something similar. Of course, also depends on how well it XL'd.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 10 May 2016 - 05:33 AM.


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Posted 10 May 2016 - 05:01 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 10 May 2016 - 04:57 AM, said:

... but I'd take a Bandersnatch over it, any day.

That's not how you spell "Hatchetman," Bishop.

#13237 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 05:03 AM

View PostDawnstealer, on 10 May 2016 - 05:01 AM, said:

That's not how you spell "Hatchetman," Bishop.

I know right?
Scorpion is a pretty commonly used word. How hard is it to spell it?! Posted Image

#13238 Karl Streiger

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 05:04 AM

Oh Bandersnatch - the answer for Clan Hardpoint inflation - whooping 11 hardpoints....Posted Image ....a pitty that it got lower arm activators

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 10 May 2016 - 05:03 AM, said:

I know right?
Scorpion is a pretty commonly used word. How hard is it to spell it?! Posted Image

Don't think that Barghest is so common.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 10 May 2016 - 05:04 AM.


#13239 Odanan

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 05:21 AM

View PostSeal Farmer, on 09 May 2016 - 10:58 PM, said:

Pretty sure they say 2 medium of Clan and 2 Heavy of Clan were next after the Clops, so then we got Viper and the NightGyr. So 1 medium and 1 large to go.

I'm not sure if Russ said the next mechs will be the Clan omnimechs (1 medium and 1 heavy) or if the next Clan mechs will be the Clan omnimechs (1 medium and 1 heavy).
In the second alternative, PGI can still insert an IS mech between each Clan mech...

#13240 MeiSooHaityu

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 05:29 AM

View PostOdanan, on 10 May 2016 - 05:21 AM, said:

In the second alternative, PGI can still insert an IS mech between each Clan mech...


Like a Bushwacker :)





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