1236 replies to this topic

[InspectorG]

Kain Thul, on 08 January 2015 - 11:25 AM, said:

Now, if the Nova had those arms...

[Bishop Steiner]

Scout Derek, on 09 January 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

You know what's funny about what you said? You're a full time player, while I'm a part time. For you to say that you have mechs 3x my summoners stats.... that's sort of pitiful in a way, is it not?

not exactly. Was pointing out that 1.7 KDr doesn't make a mech good. Or Bad.

But hey, twist it however makes you feel better I guess.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 January 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

and that's the devil in the details.

Any mech is good if it's not noticed. Mind you, for a heavy, the Summoner has the goods to maneuver well enough to avoid a lot of head on fights, but there are a lot of Medium Mechs , Clan and IS, that can do that, and do it better, and without costing your team/unit a heavy slot.

True, but when PUGing, who cares about what slot you are chewing up? And for the record so long as I don't get caught out in the open, that build set up does okay.

[Wintersdark]

Metus regem, on 09 January 2015 - 08:38 PM, said:

True, but when PUGing, who cares about what slot you are chewing up? And for the record so long as I don't get caught out in the open, that build set up does okay.

You should care about what slot you're eating.

Because if you're in a heavy, the other team has a heavy, too. Prolly a Thud, or a Timberwolf.

Now, I'm not saying don't play some mechs, but be aware that if you're grossly underperforming in a weaker mech, that you're also hurting your own chance of victory at the same time. Bring a Gargoyle, and the other team may well have a King Crab, or a Direwolf. Every (non-1N) dragon is a Timberwolf or Thunderbolt on the other team.

You should still play what you want, but you should also be aware of what's going on, and what the opportunity costs of your choices are.

[Utilyan]

Guys don't go for weapon quirks.........everyone gots that....its boring.
At least don't touch the prime.

Summoner PRIME QUIRK:









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Gives Summoner ability to see the old school wire mechs through walls (replaces night vision).










H̗̺̮̩̙͉̐́ͣ͝u̡ͦͤͮ̀ͧͧ̓ͨ̈ͤ̋͐ͥ҉̧͇͚̙̫̬̞͚̣̹̳̟̮͈͍̩̹̩̮̕n̴̤͖̞͈̤̭̖̓͒ͮ̔̉̈͌ͬ̆́ͨ͂̇̓ͨ͌͒̈́́̀̚ͅt̴̛̜̮̹̱̖̟̼̠ͨͪ̍͑ͧ̉ͣ̑̄̀̓͆͑́eͮ̈̌ͣͤ̓͗͒̎́̐ͫͫͬ͞҉̦̹͔ͅr̵̦̦͎̮͍͛ͣ̍ͥ͞ ̢͉̤̲̹̻͙͎̝̦̝̥͕͓̍̌ͫ͆ͧ̏ͦͣͨͨͪ̽͆̀̓̉ͧ̀͝ͅL̴̢̞̬͉̥͔͎̪̙̇̂̔̓̾̎ͭͤ̌̾ͯͥ͑̐ͣ̂͂̌̀́o̷̸̢̪̙͎͈̩̬̬̬̐ͤͮ͋̓̆ͯͮ̓̋̒͜͠r̛̭͇͈̼͕̬̻͎̪͓̱̟͚̹̬̉̀̅̌ͩ̄̽̑̔̎̑̃ͦ͑͠d̸̺̲̟͈̱̙̪̟͔̬̪̭͍͎͙͚̲͈̦̐̑̆̈́ͮ̀̆͆ͥ͑̓̉ͫͣ͛̄̕͜ HUNTER LORD H̗̺̮̩̙͉̐́ͣ͝u̡ͦͤͮ̀ͧͧ̓ͨ̈ͤ̋͐ͥ҉̧͇͚̙̫̬̞͚̣̹̳̟̮͈͍̩̹̩̮̕n̴̤͖̞͈̤̭̖̓͒ͮ̔̉̈͌ͬ̆́ͨ͂̇̓ͨ͌͒̈́́̀̚ͅt̴̛̜̮̹̱̖̟̼̠ͨͪ̍͑ͧ̉ͣ̑̄̀̓͆͑́eͮ̈̌ͣͤ̓͗͒̎́̐ͫͫͬ͞҉̦̹͔ͅr̵̦̦͎̮͍͛ͣ̍ͥ͞ ̢͉̤̲̹̻͙͎̝̦̝̥͕͓̍̌ͫ͆ͧ̏ͦͣͨͨͪ̽͆̀̓̉ͧ̀͝ͅL̴̢̞̬͉̥͔͎̪̙̇̂̔̓̾̎ͭͤ̌̾ͯͥ͑̐ͣ̂͂̌̀́o̷̸̢̪̙͎͈̩̬̬̬̐ͤͮ͋̓̆ͯͮ̓̋̒͜͠r̛̭͇͈̼͕̬̻͎̪͓̱̟͚̹̬̉̀̅̌ͩ̄̽̑̔̎̑̃ͦ͑͠d̸̺̲̟͈̱̙̪̟͔̬̪̭͍͎͙͚̲͈̦̐̑̆̈́ͮ̀̆͆ͥ͑̓̉ͫͣ͛̄̕͜








Sensor Range is 300%!









Ķ̛̖͉̝̺̞̲͍̟̠̼̙̦̗̘͈̺̮̈́͊ͨ̑̃̔ͭ̂̀́͟ḧ̵̢̟̜͍̱̤̗̞̪̪̤̘̟̮͚̬͓̪ͭ͑̉́̉̂͂̈́̀a̧̦̳̫̙̦̥̪ͤ̇ͩ̂͂ͤ̊ͭ́n̢͒ͨ̍̆̐̿̆͘͟͏͉̬̖͍͎̘̭͎̹͔̜͕̲͚̦ ̶̢̛̪͍͍̯̝̫̗̎́͗̂̑̚͟͡ơ̌ͫͦ͆͂ͭ̇̉ͥ̅̓͑҉̡̡̙̰̟͖̱͇͕̟̮̖̘͍͙̥̦̱̱ḟ̷̸̶̢͓̮͕̲̣̞̙̦͉̮̠̺͒͆͑ͧͪ͋͗̆͗̀ ̴̍̄͐ͣ̉ͦ̒҉̵̢̳͔͖̮͍̦̼̳̳͇̹͖̹̹̦̞̫͜t͍̥̤͕̺̟̱̙̖̱̾̿̓̓̒ͯ̅̄ͣͮ̂ͥ̒ͩ͞ḣ̸̥͖̬̱̗̣̹͕͉̤͔̤̝̺͍̔̅̾ͣ̇͐̒͌ͤ̈́͊̕͘͞ͅẻ̶̵̢̡̺̞̮̰͕̓͋̆̂̾ͩ͂̚͘ ̯̦̹̋̈́̆̓ͯ̌̑̇͛̊̉̑͗̊́̚͟͝ͅB̸̢̯̮͖̳̱̦̫̩͎̼͈͍̤͇̩̺̠̹͚̓ͥͦ̂̋̀̎̊̽̈́̑ͣͩͪ́̚ȁ̀ͥ̾̉ͭ̇̒ͯ̓ͦ̉̔ͩ̈҉͏̡͎̹̦̫͍͔͔̦͎͝ͅt̠̼̻̹̥̜̥̩̼̪͎̭̟̰̼̏̇̊ͪ̈͗ͪͯ̉͋̈́̏ͬ̐̃̓ͧ͗ͨ͢t̸̨͕̙̼́̾̓̐ͮ͜͞͞ͅl͛͗̽̅̈ͤͮͬ͛̓͛҉̸̷̼̳͇̞͓͔̟͙͉̤͟ę̶̛̮͚̰̣͈͕̤̜͔͙͍̮̪̼͓̣͚͍ͫ͑͛ͨ̉̔̈ͫͬͫfͯ̈́ͨ̍ͣͯ̏̈́̍́ͮͮ̀ͤ͟҉̸̡̛̞̠̠̙̣̪̥͔͍͚i̢̋̔ͥ̈́ͮͨ͊̓̏ͯ͂̅̂͑̍͏̵̙͕̞̯̦͔ͅé̡̪̳̲̖ͪ̂̑ͤ͒ͤ̈ͮ̂ͦͨ͂͑̀͝l̛̒̀̎̑̓͊ͤ̀̈́҉͚̩̤͍͇̜̜͇ͅd̛͐̐̑̾̃͒͂͝҉̝͚̣͕ Khan of the Battlefield Ķ̛̖͉̝̺̞̲͍̟̠̼̙̦̗̘͈̺̮̈́͊ͨ̑̃̔ͭ̂̀́͟ḧ̵̢̟̜͍̱̤̗̞̪̪̤̘̟̮͚̬͓̪ͭ͑̉́̉̂͂̈́̀a̧̦̳̫̙̦̥̪ͤ̇ͩ̂͂ͤ̊ͭ́n̢͒ͨ̍̆̐̿̆͘͟͏͉̬̖͍͎̘̭͎̹͔̜͕̲͚̦ ̶̢̛̪͍͍̯̝̫̗̎́͗̂̑̚͟͡ơ̌ͫͦ͆͂ͭ̇̉ͥ̅̓͑҉̡̡̙̰̟͖̱͇͕̟̮̖̘͍͙̥̦̱̱ḟ̷̸̶̢͓̮͕̲̣̞̙̦͉̮̠̺͒͆͑ͧͪ͋͗̆͗̀ ̴̍̄͐ͣ̉ͦ̒҉̵̢̳͔͖̮͍̦̼̳̳͇̹͖̹̹̦̞̫͜t͍̥̤͕̺̟̱̙̖̱̾̿̓̓̒ͯ̅̄ͣͮ̂ͥ̒ͩ͞ḣ̸̥͖̬̱̗̣̹͕͉̤͔̤̝̺͍̔̅̾ͣ̇͐̒͌ͤ̈́͊̕͘͞ͅẻ̶̵̢̡̺̞̮̰͕̓͋̆̂̾ͩ͂̚͘ ̯̦̹̋̈́̆̓ͯ̌̑̇͛̊̉̑͗̊́̚͟͝ͅB̸̢̯̮͖̳̱̦̫̩͎̼͈͍̤͇̩̺̠̹͚̓ͥͦ̂̋̀̎̊̽̈́̑ͣͩͪ́̚ȁ̀ͥ̾̉ͭ̇̒ͯ̓ͦ̉̔ͩ̈҉͏̡͎̹̦̫͍͔͔̦͎͝ͅt̠̼̻̹̥̜̥̩̼̪͎̭̟̰̼̏̇̊ͪ̈͗ͪͯ̉͋̈́̏ͬ̐̃̓ͧ͗ͨ͢t̸̨͕̙̼́̾̓̐ͮ͜͞͞ͅl͛͗̽̅̈ͤͮͬ͛̓͛҉̸̷̼̳͇̞͓͔̟͙͉̤͟ę̶̛̮͚̰̣͈͕̤̜͔͙͍̮̪̼͓̣͚͍ͫ͑͛ͨ̉̔̈ͫͬͫfͯ̈́ͨ̍ͣͯ̏̈́̍́ͮͮ̀ͤ͟҉̸̡̛̞̠̠̙̣̪̥͔͍͚i̢̋̔ͥ̈́ͮͨ͊̓̏ͯ͂̅̂͑̍͏̵̙͕̞̯̦͔ͅé̡̪̳̲̖ͪ̂̑ͤ͒ͤ̈ͮ̂ͦͨ͂͑̀͝l̛̒̀̎̑̓͊ͤ̀̈́҉͚̩̤͍͇̜̜͇ͅd̛͐̐̑̾̃͒͂͝҉̝͚̣͕







Summoner doesn't require LOS to target anything.










J̴̡̤͖͇̖̬͇͍̜͑̎̌͗ͦ̌̍ͣ̀͝ư̠̤̩̝̤̳̣̫̩͙̼̬̞̱͖͙̫͍̐̾ͫ͌̿ͮͫ͊̂̌̃͛̿̇͞ͅd̷̢͚̙̯͙̼͉̼̭̣͈͉͐̾ͬͨ̇͊̃ͮ̈͒ͤ̇ͭ̿͝g̸̵̢͍̗̤͍̔͗͐̓̀͋ͭ͂̔̏ͣ̃͑ͪͯͨ͛͐ͣe͉̪̯͍̭̦̰̱̲̰̘͓̙͌ͤ̔ͤ̂ͯ̓͛̀m̧̘̟̤̙͖̰̪͔̳͉̙̭̪̺͉̪̅͆̿͋̃̉͐̉̇̽̂̈́̆́̚̚e̴̞͈̮͔̮̣͈̍ͨͪ̾͆̈ͬ̎ͫͫ̀͜͝n̸̯̩̱̹̻͉̯͇̦̮̜̟̫̫̥̩͔̭̜͌̋̎̆̎̂ͥͣ̋̋̒́͡t̵͕͕͈͙͖̫̥͉̮̺̣̠̦̮̬͊ͬ͛̽́̈́ͤ͘ͅ ͓̟̣̹̩̳̱̼͚̞͚̼̤͎ͯ̽ͨ̈̏̄͆ͯ͋͗ͮͨͦ̍̌̆̓̐̕͟ͅo̡̮̩͍̫̳͓̲̟͈̜̭̜͕̟̝̬̬̍̄̀͌ͬ̒̈̈͌̐ͩ̓̽ͯ̈́͜͜f̻͖̞͕͉̲̟̥̣̩̜̪ͣͯͥͦ͑̈́̐ͬ̄͂̀̈́̆̕͡ͅ ̸̷̢̨͓͓̞̠͍̙̥̮̪̝͙͓͙̞̿͗ͪ͊̕K̸̨ͦ̐̿ͬ̂͏̤̘̭͖̺̫̹̥̦͚̳̱͇͍̼̻͉͍͙ę̦̜̥̫̳̼͚͔̹̼͉͔̩̖̖̪̃ͤ̒̃ͮͨ̒̔́͝͝ͅr̢̧̦̥̗͍̣̤̯̟̞̘̦̞͙ͭ̇̆͆ͧ̄̾͐ͪ̇͊̄̚̚͘e͋ͣ͊ͮ̚̚͘͠͏̴̶̬̼͕̖̖̭͉͍̥̟̺̞̘̬̝͇̱̺n̵̡̞͚̮͕̤̻̺͎͇̪͍͖̲̂̊̇͆s̸̝͖̱̲̠̈̾͋ͭ̊̓̔̽͂ͭ̐̎ͣ͑ͥ͌ͥ͞ͅk̶̵̡̲̹̙̦̬̩͉͔ͣ́ͪ͊ͭ̈́̌̎̃̊̏ͯͬ̄̋̏̚͢y͂̈́̐͐̏͑̈̇ ̯͔̳̰̱͎̟̹̬ͯ̀͟͠͠ͅJudgement of Kerensky J̴̡̤͖͇̖̬͇͍̜͑̎̌͗ͦ̌̍ͣ̀͝ư̠̤̩̝̤̳̣̫̩͙̼̬̞̱͖͙̫͍̐̾ͫ͌̿ͮͫ͊̂̌̃͛̿̇͞ͅd̷̢͚̙̯͙̼͉̼̭̣͈͉͐̾ͬͨ̇͊̃ͮ̈͒ͤ̇ͭ̿͝g̸̵̢͍̗̤͍̔͗͐̓̀͋ͭ͂̔̏ͣ̃͑ͪͯͨ͛͐ͣe͉̪̯͍̭̦̰̱̲̰̘͓̙͌ͤ̔ͤ̂ͯ̓͛̀m̧̘̟̤̙͖̰̪͔̳͉̙̭̪̺͉̪̅͆̿͋̃̉͐̉̇̽̂̈́̆́̚̚e̴̞͈̮͔̮̣͈̍ͨͪ̾͆̈ͬ̎ͫͫ̀͜͝n̸̯̩̱̹̻͉̯͇̦̮̜̟̫̫̥̩͔̭̜͌̋̎̆̎̂ͥͣ̋̋̒́͡t̵͕͕͈͙͖̫̥͉̮̺̣̠̦̮̬͊ͬ͛̽́̈́ͤ͘ͅ ͓̟̣̹̩̳̱̼͚̞͚̼̤͎ͯ̽ͨ̈̏̄͆ͯ͋͗ͮͨͦ̍̌̆̓̐̕͟ͅo̡̮̩͍̫̳͓̲̟͈̜̭̜͕̟̝̬̬̍̄̀͌ͬ̒̈̈͌̐ͩ̓̽ͯ̈́͜͜f̻͖̞͕͉̲̟̥̣̩̜̪ͣͯͥͦ͑̈́̐ͬ̄͂̀̈́̆̕͡ͅ ̸̷̢̨͓͓̞̠͍̙̥̮̪̝͙͓͙̞̿͗ͪ͊̕K̸̨ͦ̐̿ͬ̂͏̤̘̭͖̺̫̹̥̦͚̳̱͇͍̼̻͉͍͙ę̦̜̥̫̳̼͚͔̹̼͉͔̩̖̖̪̃ͤ̒̃ͮͨ̒̔́͝͝ͅr̢̧̦̥̗͍̣̤̯̟̞̘̦̞͙ͭ̇̆͆ͧ̄̾͐ͪ̇͊̄̚̚͘e͋ͣ͊ͮ̚̚͘͠͏̴̶̬̼͕̖̖̭͉͍̥̟̺̞̘̬̝͇̱̺n̵̡̞͚̮͕̤̻̺͎͇̪͍͖̲̂̊̇͆s̸̝͖̱̲̠̈̾͋ͭ̊̓̔̽͂ͭ̐̎ͣ͑ͥ͌ͥ͞ͅk̶̵̡̲̹̙̦̬̩͉͔ͣ́ͪ͊ͭ̈́̌̎̃̊̏ͯͬ̄̋̏̚͢y̯͔̳̰̱͎̟̹̬͂̈́̐͐̏͑̈̇ͯ̀͟͠͠ͅ








If the Summoner is killed his core NUKES in a radius 4 times greater then a artillery strike.

[Deathlike]

Wintersdark, on 09 January 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

Now, I'm not saying don't play some mechs, but be aware that if you're grossly underperforming in a weaker mech, that you're also hurting your own chance of victory at the same time. Bring a Gargoyle, and the other team may well have a King Crab, or a Direwolf. Every (non-1N) dragon is a Timberwolf or Thunderbolt on the other team.

But... what if I wub them all?

Oh Wubgoyle, the King Crab and Dire Wolf have nothing on you...

Edited by Deathlike, 10 January 2015 - 12:51 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 10 January 2015 - 12:47 AM, said:

But... what if I wub them all?

Oh Wubgoyle, the King Crab and Dire Wolf have nothing on you...

Well, they have more armour.

And the Crab is more agile....Heh.

[YueFei]

Scout Derek, on 09 January 2015 - 05:37 PM, said:

Stats of my Summoner:
SUMMONER SMN-PRIME(I)
Total games: 569
Won:269
Lost:232
Win loss ratio:1.16
Kills :564
Loss :320
KDR Ratio:1.76
Damage done:191,948
Total experience earned :08,328
Total time played:2 days 01:10:48
You tell me that the summoner isn't a good mech, or simply not piloted correctly(by the way, haven't touched it for 3 months. No other mech that I have has that kind of time put into it.)

337 damage per match in your Summoner? That's your criteria for saying it's a good mech?

What's your damage-per-match in your other mechs? I bet it's better than your Summoner's. I'd be very surprised if it's not.

I'm averaging 448 damage per match in my HBK-4SP. I'm a pretty unremarkable player. But I bet if I tried to drive a Summoner, I'd probably get a much lower average, despite driving something nearly as fast and 20 tons heavier.

[Kuritaclan]

YueFei, on 10 January 2015 - 01:31 AM, said:

I'm averaging 448 damage per match in my HBK-4SP. I'm a pretty unremarkable player. But I bet if I tried to drive a Summoner, I'd probably get a much lower average, despite driving something nearly as fast and 20 tons heavier.

xD well a reasonable loadout for a HBK-4SP like this supposed on mechspecs.com has pretty much the same sustain DPS like the Stockloadout SMN-PRIME.Since LRMs havent that great Accuracy and LBX also Sprea on a "normal Range" you won't get the full output. Maybee this makes it. Or he is just not as good as you with your 20t lighter Mech.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 10 January 2015 - 01:45 AM.

[YueFei]

Kuritaclan, on 10 January 2015 - 01:40 AM, said:

xD well a reasonable loadout for a HBK-4SP like this supposed on mechspecs.com has pretty much the same sustain DPS like the Stockloadout SMN-PRIME

Sustained DPS would be such an important stat if mechs just ran around in the open with no cover blasting each other non-stop.

But that's not how mechs fight.

It's not a matter of pilot skill here. Bishop is a better player than I am. I've seen him play. And he's not getting better results out of the Summoner than I'm getting from my Hunchback. The Summoner needs buffs. I'm not saying this from selfishness, I don't even own *any* Clan mechs at all. I've fought against Summoners, and they ought to walk all over me and piss in my cereal, but they don't.

You know what does run me over and spit on the corpse? Stormcrows. Timberwolves. Yeah.

Edited by YueFei, 10 January 2015 - 01:58 AM.

[Kuritaclan]

ok my sarcasm was lazy intoduced

I don't like the SMN, so it is pretty wayne for me if it gets buffed or not. But it isn't wayne to me what others think of it. And if they think this mech needs a buff i'm ok with it.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 10 January 2015 - 02:02 AM.

[Nightshade24]

Khobai, on 21 December 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Not seeing how the Hellbringer is in a higher tier than the Timberwolf.

Timberwolf should get Tier 1 quirks, -1 for JJs
Hellbringer should get Tier 2 quirks, -1 for ECM, and +2 for no ES/FF
Summoner should get Tier 3 quirks -1 for JJs, and +1 for no ES

Because of omnipod swapping I dont think most clan mechs are worse than tier 3. Although maybe the clan lights are bad enough to be tier 4 or tier 5.

T1 quirks? you know that means it gets 0 quirks right? You do see the fact no one uses Timberwolf S side torsos? or the fact the ballistics arm is rarely used or ballistic CT / ST's.... or the Missiles...

It's a T2 or 3. (T3 quirks for missile and/or ballistics, T2-ish for energy... not in depth though, just something that makes it not able to be out done by a locust 1V in a range fight)

Also -1 quirk for having jumpjets? That'll punish the people who actually use jumpjets on a timberwolf... because jumpjets itself is the reason no one uses the Timberwolf S CT or ST's.... Punishing people for using the worst timberwolf variant in game just because jumpjets isn't the best balance idea i've heard...


T2 quirks for hellbringer? the hellbringer has no ES or FF... the summoner at least gets FF... I think the hellbringer will be on par with the Summoner. and if ECM torso is equiped then that torso provides less quirks or not as strong quirks.
(making it T2 will punish the people who will actually not use the ECM)




Summoner is equal or worse with the thunderbolt before quirks. It has FF instead of ES or both, it has forced jumpjets, if you want to run missiles and a ballistic (lets say stock prime) you got a 35 alpha... compaired to the firestarter-A 8 SPL 32 damage per alpha....

I think summoners would be a T4 mech.



Also note... There will be the Couldron-born coming in 2 years or less (less = it was only seen due to being a garrison / second line mech... it was only ever seen after the clans got there ass wiped. which is happening now... timeline wise technically supports the rapid CW progress).

Couldron Born for you who do not know what it is... is basicly a slightly lighter timberwolf with no jumpjets.

But can have duel Ballistic arms (1 B each), Duel energy arms (2+ E each), duel missile hardpoint torsos (1 to 2 M each), and some of those torsos also have an energy hardpoint...

Also has a low profile with all weapons above or equal to the main body/ cockpit...

This has everything 'OP' from the stormcrow and timberwolf wrapped in 1 package. It also has amazing pod space too...

Duel Guass + er ppc or 4 LRM 15 and/or 10's, etc can be done on it. If the timberwolf is a T0 mech then what the hell would this thing be?



Also i think the direwolf is around T3 to 4, Warhawk is between T3 to 5 (thunderbolt 9S atm can spew more ER PPC's then 2 Warhawks with nothing but 4 ER PPC's or 3 ER PPC's (waste of tonnage, you do not have enough tons to fill the whole mech up with heatsinks)... also the awesome also out peforms this warhawk but not as much.


Nova can be somewhere around T3 to 5 (hunchback 4P... unlike the nova, it doesn't get a penalty for boating medium lasers, it actually got buffs!...). Also jumpjet forced mech. And wide base too.

Mist lynx easily a T4 to 5 mech (due to med las situation).

Stormcrow could be a solid T3 (I point to my missile and ballistics discussion again.. on top of that but the laser builds are to hot to reliably do... the most popular I've seen are like 1 er large laser and 6 small lasers... I can do the same thing on a cicada with 1 less small laser and more speed and be colder...)



But this is just my opinions... so many variables with clans... but I think that the not popular parts of a mech should get a buffing out. ie energy nova's, ballistic and missile ice ferrets, timberwolfs, stormcrows, etc....

YueFei, on 10 January 2015 - 01:54 AM, said:

Sustained DPS would be such an important stat if mechs just ran around in the open with no cover blasting each other non-stop.

But that's not how mechs fight.

It's not a matter of pilot skill here. Bishop is a better player than I am. I've seen him play. And he's not getting better results out of the Summoner than I'm getting from my Hunchback. The Summoner needs buffs. I'm not saying this from selfishness, I don't even own *any* Clan mechs at all. I've fought against Summoners, and they ought to walk all over me and piss in my cereal, but they don't.

You know what does run me over and spit on the corpse? Stormcrows. Timberwolves. Yeah.

DPS is quite important in brawling situations and some snipping situations...

DPS is the main reason the thunderbolt is superior to the warhawk, direwolf, awesome, or atlas PPC / ER PPC builds.

[Bluefalcon13]

My Summoner Prime sits at about 1.3 kdr, versus my accounts average which is .87. Definitely not a terrible mech, at least for me. And like Bishop I use my prime in stock config. The stock D fairs better for me, but I don't enjoy that as much as the Prime. For my B variant I use either a SARNA stock A or C.

I had a really good drop with DERP the other night on mining collective. My buddys in the unit were talking crap about the Summoner before and during the drop. Match ended with me dancing a Summoner to victory! It was quite ironic! And yes it was in the stock prime. Ended the match with roughly 1100 DMG and a few kills, ran out ta both lbx and lrm ammo

[Metus regem]

Wintersdark, on 09 January 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

You should care about what slot you're eating.

Because if you're in a heavy, the other team has a heavy, too. Prolly a Thud, or a Timberwolf.

Now, I'm not saying don't play some mechs, but be aware that if you're grossly underperforming in a weaker mech, that you're also hurting your own chance of victory at the same time. Bring a Gargoyle, and the other team may well have a King Crab, or a Direwolf. Every (non-1N) dragon is a Timberwolf or Thunderbolt on the other team.

You should still play what you want, but you should also be aware of what's going on, and what the opportunity costs of your choices are.

To be fair, I only use my Summoner once in a while, when CW or group drops with CGBI, I can normally be found in a Hellbringer or War Hawk, two of my better mechs. The Summoner is for kicks or when my Toddler points at it and goes "Yeah!"

[Bishop Steiner]

Nightshade24, on 10 January 2015 - 02:13 AM, said:

T1 quirks? you know that means it gets 0 quirks right? You do see the fact no one uses Timberwolf S side torsos? or the fact the ballistics arm is rarely used or ballistic CT / ST's.... or the Missiles...

It's a T2 or 3. (T3 quirks for missile and/or ballistics, T2-ish for energy... not in depth though, just something that makes it not able to be out done by a locust 1V in a range fight)

Also -1 quirk for having jumpjets? That'll punish the people who actually use jumpjets on a timberwolf... because jumpjets itself is the reason no one uses the Timberwolf S CT or ST's.... Punishing people for using the worst timberwolf variant in game just because jumpjets isn't the best balance idea i've heard...


T2 quirks for hellbringer? the hellbringer has no ES or FF... the summoner at least gets FF... I think the hellbringer will be on par with the Summoner. and if ECM torso is equiped then that torso provides less quirks or not as strong quirks.
(making it T2 will punish the people who will actually not use the ECM)




Summoner is equal or worse with the thunderbolt before quirks. It has FF instead of ES or both, it has forced jumpjets, if you want to run missiles and a ballistic (lets say stock prime) you got a 35 alpha... compaired to the firestarter-A 8 SPL 32 damage per alpha....

I think summoners would be a T4 mech.



Also note... There will be the Couldron-born coming in 2 years or less (less = it was only seen due to being a garrison / second line mech... it was only ever seen after the clans got there ass wiped. which is happening now... timeline wise technically supports the rapid CW progress).

Couldron Born for you who do not know what it is... is basicly a slightly lighter timberwolf with no jumpjets.

But can have duel Ballistic arms (1 B each), Duel energy arms (2+ E each), duel missile hardpoint torsos (1 to 2 M each), and some of those torsos also have an energy hardpoint...

Also has a low profile with all weapons above or equal to the main body/ cockpit...

This has everything 'OP' from the stormcrow and timberwolf wrapped in 1 package. It also has amazing pod space too...

Duel Guass + er ppc or 4 LRM 15 and/or 10's, etc can be done on it. If the timberwolf is a T0 mech then what the hell would this thing be?



Also i think the direwolf is around T3 to 4, Warhawk is between T3 to 5 (thunderbolt 9S atm can spew more ER PPC's then 2 Warhawks with nothing but 4 ER PPC's or 3 ER PPC's (waste of tonnage, you do not have enough tons to fill the whole mech up with heatsinks)... also the awesome also out peforms this warhawk but not as much.


Nova can be somewhere around T3 to 5 (hunchback 4P... unlike the nova, it doesn't get a penalty for boating medium lasers, it actually got buffs!...). Also jumpjet forced mech. And wide base too.

Mist lynx easily a T4 to 5 mech (due to med las situation).

Stormcrow could be a solid T3 (I point to my missile and ballistics discussion again.. on top of that but the laser builds are to hot to reliably do... the most popular I've seen are like 1 er large laser and 6 small lasers... I can do the same thing on a cicada with 1 less small laser and more speed and be colder...)



But this is just my opinions... so many variables with clans... but I think that the not popular parts of a mech should get a buffing out. ie energy nova's, ballistic and missile ice ferrets, timberwolfs, stormcrows, etc....



DPS is quite important in brawling situations and some snipping situations...

DPS is the main reason the thunderbolt is superior to the warhawk, direwolf, awesome, or atlas PPC / ER PPC builds.

wierd...I see a lot of TWolf-S around when I drop.

[InspectorG]

For the Lore-people out there:

Is the Summoner related to the Thunderbolt?

Common ancestor or whatnot?

[Bishop Steiner]

InspectorG, on 10 January 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

For the Lore-people out there:

Is the Summoner related to the Thunderbolt?

Common ancestor or whatnot?

Yes. I don't know if it was ever officially linked, but the common art makes it pretty obvious that the TW was the descendant of the Marauder/Catapult, Hellbringer/Warhammer, Summoner/Tbolt (one could possibly argue a thunderbolt/Victor hybrid) and the MAd Dog appears to be a unique design.

Later the Thresher was retconned into being the direct ancestor of the Summoner, which breaks the link a bit, though if you stare long enough you can still see some resemblance between the Thresher and Thud.

Most interesting theory I have seen is the Heavy Omnis were originally meant to be in house replacement for the Unseens, that possibly even before the HG stink FASA was trying to move away. Visually it makes sense, but I have never actually seen factual support for it.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 10 January 2015 - 09:12 AM.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 January 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

Most interesting theory I have seen is the Heavy Omnis were originally meant to be in house replacement for the Unseens, that possibly even before the HG stink FASA was trying to move away. Visually it makes sense, but I have never actually seen factual support for it.

I could totally see that, well I could see the Timber Wolf being a Stiener, and the Summoner being Davion at least....

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 January 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

Yes. I don't know if it was ever officially linked, but the common art makes it pretty obvious that the TW was the descendant of the Marauder/Catapult, Hellbringer/Warhammer, Summoner/Tbolt (one could possibly argue a thunderbolt/Victor hybrid) and the MAd Dog appears to be a unique design.

Later the Thresher was retconned into being the direct ancestor of the Summoner, which breaks the link a bit, though if you stare long enough you can still see some resemblance between the Thresher and Thud.

Most interesting theory I have seen is the Heavy Omnis were originally meant to be in house replacement for the Unseens, that possibly even before the HG stink FASA was trying to move away. Visually it makes sense, but I have never actually seen factual support for it.

The Mad Dawg might be related to to the Archer? Different art in many ways (except for side torso missiles), but otherwise similar in role.

Edited by FupDup, 10 January 2015 - 10:25 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 10 January 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

The Mad Dawg might be related to to the Archer? Different art in many ways (except for side torso missiles), but otherwise similar in role.

always thought, visually it was archer meets rifleman with those barrel arms..... but the walker design is definitely a throw off.