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[RG Notch]

Sarlic, on 02 January 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Whatever they want is exactly the problem.

For you. I see it is as only a problem for people who want to replay TT in this game. Why anyone would purposefully make a bad mech is beyond me. I don't go all meta, but I don't purposefully choose to make my build more inefficient for no logical reason. If you want to make bad builds and ignore good ones feel free that's your choice. Don't take away my ability to choose to make an efficient build because you think it's unsporting to build a good mech.

[Bishop Steiner]

R Razor, on 02 January 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

I don't see where he said to do away with customization, but he did seem to indicate that some limitations would be a good thing, and he's right in my opinion.

Sized hard points would go FAR in helping to eliminate the min/max trend that dominates this game, it would remove the whining about the Thud ERPPC build for example. There would have to be more than size restrictions and type restrictions to make it work though, otherwise you'd still have the SPL FS's and the CERML Doomcrows running around as the new meta.

Might disagree with you on a few pts here, but fully agree with you and Sarlic on sized hardpoints. For one thing, it would actually compliments quirks more, as mechs like the 9S would still get a PPC of doom, just no 3-4 of them.


End of the day, well done, it does limit SOME degree of customization, but it ends up opening up a lot more chassis as viable. The Panther/Firestarter being a great example....... barring completely broken quirks, the Panther has no place in the game, because everything it can do, the Firestarter does better.

But now, what if the firestarter could only carry small class weapons? Well, as the Ember and 9A show, they would still be able to be brutally effective, but that Panther packing a PPC would now be able to do something they cannot.

[Navid A1]

All that can be said is that Quirks were not meant to create a new weapon system.

Clans use timber/crow vomit because medium laser is the only thing left that they can use. And also because other clan mechs outright suck.... Adder anyone?... the one mech that is good for nothing... which supposed to be PPC oriented.

lets just forget about the clans 1 moment. Look at Awesome. The granddaddy of PPCs. do you have ANY reason to bring it to the field instead of a 9S?... knowing that 9S can also brawl with the same weapon system at point blank range?

The fact that this thread has 3 posts per second going now shows that people actually know that 9S is currently a thundercrotch.!

[Bishop Steiner]

Ghost Badger, on 02 January 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

The only non-customizeable part about clans is the engine (and the Adder flamer...that's it, right?). Their weapons are fully customizable. Taking even part of that away from IS only makes things worse...and less fun.

can't agree with you there. Full customization has always broken MW titles for PvP play.

[AlmightyAeng]

DarthRevis, on 02 January 2015 - 10:14 AM, said:

Wrong, Nova has JJ's that cant be removed so do TBR-S side torsos, Summoner has locked stuff, Mist Lynx has locked BAP and JJ's....the list goes on.

So NO there is more locked stuff then just the engines. IS has full customization Clan has about 75%-90% per mech.

You can remove those omni-pods. I'm counting the Adder because you can't change your CT without changing your 'chassis.'

That's no different than saying ballistics are locked out for the Blackjack 1X because it has no ballistic slots unlike the other variants. We have the option of changing variants. You have the option of changing omni-pods.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 02 January 2015 - 10:18 AM.

[Aresye]

Thunderbolt ERPPC Heat: Change from 50% to 35%
Timberwolf JJ Hitboxes: Fix

There we go. Two of the most powerful mechs on each side brought in line.

[Sarlic]

Ghost Badger, on 02 January 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

I'm generally against the removal of options. I like additional ones though. Hence, I'd vote for a stock queue if people wanted to...but not for added restrictions to customization in all modes.

How would you weed out those builds without paying customizeable content? I get your point. But come on we already have enough pilots with e-peens who only build to maximize their damage profit.

[Revis Volek]

Sarlic, on 02 January 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Whatever they want is exactly the problem.

No its just that what THEY want and what YOU want are two different things.

Stocks mechs are garbage....please go play a few rounds in a trail Nova, Timber Wolf, or Summoner and tell me this is still a great idea. Not to mention any STOCK mode would be IS v IS only because the Stock Clan loadouts are junk and we dont have Champions to say (well they are stock too!)

[AlmightyAeng]

DarthRevis, on 02 January 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

No its just that what THEY want and what YOU want are two different things.

Stocks mechs are garbage....please go play a few rounds in a trail Nova, Timber Wolf, or Summoner and tell me this is still a great idea. Not to mention any STOCK mode would be IS v IS only because the Stock Clan loadouts are junk and we dont have Champions to say (well they are stock too!)

Now I kinda wanna see stock modes even more...because there are hilariously "bad" builds on both sides from lore

Edited by Ghost Badger, 02 January 2015 - 10:19 AM.

[Kensaisama]

Hard point restrictions has been brought up time and again all the way back to closed beta. As you can see they are hard at work implementing it

[Bishop Steiner]

Aresye, on 02 January 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

Thunderbolt ERPPC Heat: Change from 50% to 35%
Timberwolf JJ Hitboxes: Fix

There we go. Two of the most powerful mechs on each side brought in line.

Mostly. Would still like to se about 5-10% slower reflexes and twist range on the TW. I only run my S in CW, and prefer the non jumpers and still find them stupid ez to get ridiculous scores with.

[Revis Volek]

Ghost Badger, on 02 January 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

You can remove those omni-pods. I'm counting the Adder because you can't change your CT without changing your 'chassis.'

That's no different than saying ballistics are locked out for the Blackjack 1X because it has no ballistic slots unlike the other variants. We have the option of changing variants. You have the option of changing omni-pods.

There is no Nova pod with no JJ's, Mist Lynx only gain or lose ECM and that is at the cost of weapons. No Summoner legs with no JJ's

It only works on a few mechs and is not the same as what you have stated because i can make any clan variant use Ballistic hardpoints where the BJ-1x cannot ever.

Ghost Badger, on 02 January 2015 - 10:19 AM, said:

Now I kinda wanna see stock modes even more...because there are hilariously "bad" builds on both sides from lore

The meta would become...
WHO CAN BREAK 100 PTS OF DMG! lol

Edited by DarthRevis, 02 January 2015 - 10:23 AM.

[Sarlic]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 January 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

Might disagree with you on a few pts here, but fully agree with you and Sarlic on sized hardpoints. For one thing, it would actually compliments quirks more, as mechs like the 9S would still get a PPC of doom, just no 3-4 of them.


End of the day, well done, it does limit SOME degree of customization, but it ends up opening up a lot more chassis as viable. The Panther/Firestarter being a great example....... barring completely broken quirks, the Panther has no place in the game, because everything it can do, the Firestarter does better.

But now, what if the firestarter could only carry small class weapons? Well, as the Ember and 9A show, they would still be able to be brutally effective, but that Panther packing a PPC would now be able to do something they cannot.

Thank you, Bishop. Surprisingly this is somewhat i tried to explain about the customizing.

Edited by Sarlic, 02 January 2015 - 10:21 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

DarthRevis, on 02 January 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

No its just that what THEY want and what YOU want are two different things.

Stocks mechs are garbage....please go play a few rounds in a trail Nova, Timber Wolf, or Summoner and tell me this is still a great idea. Not to mention any STOCK mode would be IS v IS only because the Stock Clan loadouts are junk and we dont have Champions to say (well they are stock too!)

Um, Clan Stock Mechs still outperform IS Stock mechs. Remember, "champions" are not stock.

[MarineTech]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 January 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

all that butter is bad for your cholesterol.

Oh what do those doctors know.... I'm fi'' HRRRRRGGGK!!

bleh

[AlmightyAeng]

Sarlic, on 02 January 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

How would you weed out those builds without paying customizeable content? I get your point. But come on we already have enough pilots with e-peens who only build to maximize their damage profit.

Well...yeah...when the game is based around blowing up mechs...and you blow up mechs by causing damage to them...I'm going to build a mech that causes the most damage to other mechs while retaining enough mobility and endurance to stay alive as long as I can...to do damage...

I'm not roleplaying in this multiplayer robot deathmatch PGI has created where I can't "lose" resources based on performance...I'm focused on destroying things, getting paid for it, and then using that pay to buy more mechs to play around with different strategies...also focused on destroying things...

You can dress it however you want but that's basically what this game is.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 02 January 2015 - 10:24 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

My only issue with the TDR-9S is that it completely invalidates the PPC Awesomes. Why bring an 8Q or 9M when a Thunderbolt can do it better?

That said, I'd much rather see more Awesome buffs than a TDR nerf.

[Kuritaclan]

Sarlic, on 02 January 2015 - 10:14 AM, said:

Or make a 'vanille' (stock) que? People dont have to agree what i say, but that's how i think about it.

I'm not against a stock modus. But this has nothing to with the problem of fitting loadout to good quirks and stacking those typ of mechs to a point you get blasted away by a lance with luck hitting all of the hammer on you. - It does not prevent it. It is like saying nerv ac20 because a pack of ac20 jms or centi could rip you in milliseconds.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 02 January 2015 - 10:28 AM.

[AlmightyAeng]

DarthRevis, on 02 January 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

There is no Nova pod with no JJ's, Mist Lynx only gain or lose ECM and that is at the cost of weapons. No Summoner legs with no JJ's

It only works on a few mechs and is not the same as what you have stated because i can make any clan variant use Ballistic hardpoints where the BJ-1x cannot ever.

Okay, that's fair. It's why I asked in the first post if I left stuff out. I only have Stormcrows due to the 50% off sale. So, I haven't had any other clan mechs under the mechlab gun.

[lsp]

This is like two minutes into the game, Torso blown off, making me useless. The 9S is far from OP. Specially in a competitive scene where the entire team will just focus fire off it's torsos. It's still just a thunderbolt, scary in pugs maybe.