Zerex, on 11 January 2015 - 06:35 AM, said:
Its quite clear you don't understand the maths behind of this, if this is how u work out the true meaning of value of a mech a Firestarter is over 600 tonnes worth of weight and a timberwolf is over 600 tonnes, go back and redo your maths with the correct info used this time to work out a value for them.
personally i'd like to see the breakdown and maths with results for DPS per ton for a U/AC5 dire whale, a ERPPC warhawk 9S and Timberwolf.
I already know which is the winner
yes... and you pretend a king crab can't do a UAC 5 boat any better or worse over the direwolf? =l
And the Firestarter doesn't take up the role of a 600 ton mech, any other light mech can closely match the DPS, if not it can out run it or out range it or out sustained DPS it.
I am talking about a ER PPC boat being an ER PPC boat, and I can tell you a Firestarter isn't a better ER PPC boat over a thunderbolt and warhawk.
Changing the discussion all you might. I still want to see justice for the banshee, awesome, and warhawk.
If you really want to go talk about the firestarter, go to another thread and complain how the firestarter is OP for you and how no one bloody runs a FLAMER on a FIRESTARTER.
Because ya know... no flamers on a firestarter while having it's current quirks is like a Hunchback 4G having Machine gun and ER large laser quirks. THen you see 1 med las, 2 er large laser, XL, 3 MG hunchbacks running around instead of the AC 20 brawler it is.
This kinda relates to how most awesomes and warhawks can't do there PPC role thanks to the thunderbolt and are forced to do ER large laser or pulse boating.
My comparisons are fair. If they are not then tell me WHAT advantage the warhawk has over a thunderbolt with both ER PPC boating? Besides armour (which isn't that much of an advantage, go as the cicada, ice ferret, gargoyle. They will love to tell you how they perform like a mech 20 tons smaller then it with the only advantage being armour) there is nothing for the warhawk advantage...
Targeting computer is bloody out of the question because (besides crit chance) the ER PPC' quirks on the thunderbolt out does the max targeting computer a warhawk can carry.
Tell me what is the point of taking ER PPC's on ANY clan mech besides a light who will most likely solo a ER PPC with jumpjets and ECM like all light snipers. (even then... ER large laser light mechs for clans seem to highly outweigh the ER PPC lights...)
Besides enthusiasts or people who really like ER PPC's I can't think of any reason why a person will not run a large pulse laser instead of a er large laser.
I think the best thing to do atm is give each clan mech a light quirk with a dynamic system. (non weapon specific quirks = CT, weapon specific quirks = omnipod.) while the rest of the changes goes towards unnerfing clan tech (no damage drop of Cl LRM 20 withen 180 meters, no splash damage for er ppc's, etc)
You can't go on and say that the Thunderbolt 9S is not OP with the trio of ER PPC's. (if you do say it isn't, then I expect you saying everything else is UP).
If you go bring the Direwolf with 6 UAC 5's into the question again let me bring this quote into the question:
"[color=#000000] [/color] Its speed and armor protection matches that of an Atlas, but it has superior potential firepower with fifty and a half tons of free pod space for weapons and equipment. It is these traits which saw the 'Mech christened Daishi (Japanese for "Great Death") by the criminal underbelly of the Draconis Combine, a name that would be proven grimly accurate time and time again."
Having the direwolf not be the best (in 3050) in potential firepower is like havign a WWII game where a Fw 190 out turns a Spitfire.
Not saying the direwolf should be a death star but it is plagued with a few problems, Large profile, large CT. can't use Endo or FF. Can't switch engine. Locked heatsinks. (prevent large weapons in ST). etc.
It isn't that much more of a walking death machine then a king crab or what ever.
There are mechs that are amazing at there role.
catapult, mad dog, longbow, Blood kite are famous for there LRM boating abilities.
Awesome, Warhawk, Banshee, adder, known for there large amounts of PPC's.
Raven? Famous for the ECM abilities.
Firestarter? famous for crowd control and large quantities of flamers.
Thunderbolt? it isn't famous for doing a full dropship mech deck of ER PPC supporting alone. It's a Skirmisher. Look through the load outs and notice how the only range weapon is a single LRM and PPC while it also has Medium lasers, machine guns, srm's, etc through the variants.
There is no reason for this thing to be the best ER PPC mech in game.
There are reasons for the Panther, Katapult, Banshee, Awesome, Warhawk, Adder, and Timberwolf to be the best. But not a single reason for the Thunderbolt 9S.