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[Whiteagle]

Mott, on 07 January 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

A well built TDR-9S is 2xERPPCs high mounted in the RT and a third ERPPC mounted in the articulated RA... you know, since a slow as molasses mech with subpar torso twisting does NOT survive well with only torso mounted weapons. lolz.

The LA and LT are effectively shields.

What if I want one in the LT instead?

[Basilisk222]

Martis Gradivus, on 07 January 2015 - 11:59 AM, said:

Forgive me if I call BULLSHIT to that.

Well technically usually you die to like 3 of them. Since they tend to group up and effectively focus hot blue blobs of goo at your person together.

But then again, someone does have to get the last shot.

I know taking 7 PPC's to the side torso does tend to make my mech smaller though, generally, before i can do a lot else, I do tend to be dead. But I really shouldn't have been where I was. So in a way, I killed me.

[hybrid black]

Mott, on 07 January 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

lol

Learn your meta-mech builds before you try insulting others, child.

A well built TDR-9S is 2xERPPCs high mounted in the RT and a third ERPPC mounted in the articulated RA... you know, since a slow as molasses mech with subpar torso twisting does NOT survive well with only torso mounted weapons. lolz.

The LA and LT are effectively shields.

you are a dumb ass torso weapons only is the meta, i dont know anyone that puts them in the arm

[Joseph Mallan]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

The tier 1 Clams won't get quirks.

The Tier 5s and under will. Possibly a different format, perhaps restricted to individual omnipods.

The 9S wouldn't be used nearly as often if only the low mounted, single mount, ERPPC had those quirks.

So teh Clans don't have tier 2-4?

And for now they do so I'll suggest to you the same philosophy I play by, Bring your best and I will fight to find a way to beat it. I will not ask PGI to do my fighting. I have fought against every call to nerf against mechs I never used. and I had found ways to beat them around 50% of the time.

[tucsonspeed6]

Ok IS guys. They've got us. We've been running an op mech this whole time while pretending to be at a disadvantage. But it's still ok. We can come out of this ahead: here's what we have to do: <ISsecretcode=ON> first we tell them that we will drop the 50% heat quirk in favor for a 50% damage boost. Here's the beauty of it. Clanners suck at math, so they won't realize that we can still get the same 30 points of damage in a 2 er ppc alpha as we could with the 3 er PPCs in chain fire, and we'll still get a 33% heat reduction. And as a bonus, that weight we saved on the extra ppc can go into double HS to cover the difference. Hue hue hue. Now here's the kicker: we have to act like that's not good enough. So then we demand that each of those PPCs needs to weigh a ton less and reduce the criticals so we can fit more heat sinks. But what we won't tell them is that we'll actually get a weight and crit reduction on pretty much EVERYTHING on the mech. I mean, HS, weapons, endo... And get this- xl engines. Yeah. I went there. We'll get xl engines that won't die when we get nailed in a side torso. It'll be practically like running standards at drastically reduced weights. We'll be swimming in so much free tonnage that, when combined with the reduced crits would give us more room for even MORE WEAPONS! The fools! Laugh with me everyone! Laugh your most evil, maniacal laughs! HUE HUE HUE!

[Dawnstealer]

Yeah, after drop after drop of hitting entrenched Clan positions where they were laserspamming me out of existence before I could even target them, I finally changed up my "fun" brawler 9S to the ERPPC meta. Now I can actually compete. I actually win some drops against the Clans. It may not be fun for you, but watching a TBR or Crow crumble, FINALLY, is a great, great sight to see after so much failure.

Not fun for you, WAY fun for me. Pew pew pew

[Gallowglas]

You know what I see here? A lot of anecdotal evidence, whining, name-calling, and posturing. If you want to show that the TDR-9S is OP, then show us what you can do in one compared to your TBR or SCR. If they're so god-awful menacing as they've been made out to be, then it shouldn't be a problem to demonstrate a significant skew in head-to-head comparative match results and statistics.

[Tolkien]

tucsonspeed6, on 07 January 2015 - 12:22 PM, said:

Ok IS guys. They've got us. We've been running an op mech this whole time while pretending to be at a disadvantage. But it's still ok. We can come out of this ahead: here's what we have to do: <ISsecretcode=ON> first we tell them that we will drop the 50% heat quirk in favor for a 50% damage boost. Here's the beauty of it. Clanners suck at math, so they won't realize that we can still get the same 30 points of damage in a 2 er ppc alpha as we could with the 3 er PPCs in chain fire, and we'll still get a 33% heat reduction. And as a bonus, that weight we saved on the extra ppc can go into double HS to cover the difference. Hue hue hue. Now here's the kicker: we have to act like that's not good enough. So then we demand that each of those PPCs needs to weigh a ton less and reduce the criticals so we can fit more heat sinks. But what we won't tell them is that we'll actually get a weight and crit reduction on pretty much EVERYTHING on the mech. I mean, HS, weapons, endo... And get this- xl engines. Yeah. I went there. We'll get xl engines that won't die when we get nailed in a side torso. It'll be practically like running standards at drastically reduced weights. We'll be swimming in so much free tonnage that, when combined with the reduced crits would give us more room for even MORE WEAPONS! The fools! Laugh with me everyone! Laugh your most evil, maniacal laughs! HUE HUE HUE!

This plan gets the tolkien seal of approval. btw you forgot to turn off the secret code tag.

[Mott]

hybrid black, on 07 January 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

i dont know anyone that puts them in the arm

Anyone who knows that the enemy 1) shoots back and 2) doesn't stand still at your eyeball level, 600m away and just let you fire at them repeatedly and 3) that a shield LT + shield LA is superior to just a shield arm.

[C E Dwyer]

Welcome to the Mocking your tears Zone

poor widdle clanners haven't got their instant win mechs like Canon.. got to fight for it now and not only get stopped by the storyline

[Apnu]

Davoke, on 06 January 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

Taking a contract with the Clans was a terrible idea. The total non-canonicity of it is being punished by a terror filled reign of Thunderbolts equipped with ERPPC's. Everywhere. Gone are the days of hope for CW, gone is the fun. Now, we just have these ERPPC wielding maniacs running around, spotting for missile barrages while calling in artillery support. I lovingly pet my Daishi and tell it not to cry as we come in hot for the assault drop. It'll be over soon, too soon.

Try facing a 12-man clan unit defending Vault some time. Its nothing but SCRs, TBRs, and DWFs with range. Big whoop the IS gets one Heavy that's over quirked for ERPPCs. Clans have so many more and varied range weapons and chassis than the IS.

[operatorZ]

This all nice stuff boys and girls....L2Play...n00b...idiots....whiners....

you all proven your points sooooo convincingly....

we will see what happens when it does get "nerfed" or slight reduction in quirks just like the 5S...

and then you can start this same tactic... L2Play...n000b idiots... GetGud....whiners.....pfffff


you can posture and name call all day it doesn't change the fact that the 9S is OP with the -50% heat quirk....

The difference between me and you....is that I know the SCR and TBR could use a nerf....and I play both mechs.

you cant stomach the idea that the 9S needs one...and that's why your so angry

[operatorZ]

I mean look at yourselves .... page after page of this complaining about a little reduction in quirks...guess we know what you are all playing huh?

[Harathan]

hybrid black, on 07 January 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

you are a dumb ass torso weapons only is the meta, i dont know anyone that puts them in the arm

Anyone who wants LA + LT shields vs LA + RA shields. Anyone who wants to brawl effectively.

operatorZ, on 07 January 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

I mean look at yourselves .... page after page of this complaining about a little reduction in quirks...guess we know what you are all playing huh?

Nope. Page after page mocking clanners for whining about suddenly having to fight on a level playing field. Nobody complaining about a quirk reduction. I don't think there's many people who would not agree that the 50% is a bit too much. We just think it's hilarious for clanners to finally be crying that something IS is OP.

Edited by Harathan, 07 January 2015 - 01:10 PM.

[hybrid black]

Mott, on 07 January 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Anyone who knows that the enemy 1) shoots back and 2) doesn't stand still at your eyeball level, 600m away and just let you fire at them repeatedly and 3) that a shield LT + shield LA is superior to just a shield arm.

yah ...... sorry i didn't see what unit you were with this conversation is above you, il leave you be

Harathan, on 07 January 2015 - 12:57 PM, said:

Anyone who wants LA + LT shields vs LA + RA shields. Anyone who wants to brawl effectively.

most strip the left arm and put extra heatsinks, at least the good players do, il take high mounts over that low arm anyday, and so does the top players in the game

[Harathan]

hybrid black, on 07 January 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

yah ...... sorry i didn't see what unit you were with this conversation is above you, il leave you be

I'm saying the same thing. You want to take a potshot at my unit too? If you want to be taken seriously, disagree with the argument being made, not the person (or the affiliations of the person) making it.

Edited by Harathan, 07 January 2015 - 01:03 PM.

[operatorZ]

1 v 1 him....

[hybrid black]

Harathan, on 07 January 2015 - 01:02 PM, said:

I'm saying the same thing. You want to take a potshot at my unit too? If you want to be taken seriously, disagree with the argument being made, not the person (or the affiliations of the person) making it.

but its more fun the way im doing it

[Harathan]

hybrid black, on 07 January 2015 - 01:02 PM, said:

yah ...... sorry i didn't see what unit you were with this conversation is above you, il leave you be



most strip the left arm and put extra heatsinks, at least the good players do, il take high mounts over that low arm anyday, and so does the top players in the game

Nobody was suggesting not to use the high RT points. We were suggesting, for a 3xERPPC loadout, that 2xRT + 1xRA was effective; it gives the whole left side as shield and allows more effective brawling while still giving you the high points for sniping.

Note, I do not use this build, I'm merely pointing out that it is effective.

Your argument does not become more valid by trying to invoke "all the good players" and "all the top players". It makes it look like whatever point you are trying to make cannot stand on it's own merits.

hybrid black, on 07 January 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

but its more fun the way im doing it

Only for you. For everyone else, it's just an effective way to lower their opinion of you.

Edited by Harathan, 07 January 2015 - 01:11 PM.

[hybrid black]

Harathan, on 07 January 2015 - 01:09 PM, said:

Nobody was suggesting not to use the high RT points. We were suggesting, for a 3xERPPC loadout, that 2xRT + 1xRA was effective; it gives the whole left side as shield and allows more effective brawling while still giving you the high points for sniping.

Your argument does not become more valid by trying to invoke "all the good players" and "all the top players". It makes it look like whatever point you are trying to make cannot stand on it's own merits.



Only for you. For everyone else, it's just an effective way to lower their opinion of you.

Good thing i don't really care what low people think, all that matters is in game results

Edited by hybrid black, 07 January 2015 - 01:11 PM.