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[MerryIguana]

Egomane, on 18 January 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

That's essentially telling you, that it is probably one of those cases where a macro can achieve something a human player can not and it is therefore not allowed, as per the rules about macros. If you are cought using it, it is a punishable offense.



I'm sure, this is one such tactical advantage if it actually works.

I dont use it, but hey you wanted proof.

EDIT: Might want to forward it to the big boys, it has been abused for a LONG time.

Edited by MerryIguana, 18 January 2015 - 12:40 PM.

[Egomane]

I just reported your link. Might be wise to remove it, to not further advertise it in case it is considered illegal.

But if that is a bug and exploitable, you see that at least the rules cover it.

[MerryIguana]

Egomane, on 18 January 2015 - 12:42 PM, said:

I just reported your link. Might be wise to remove it, to not further advertise it in case it is considered illegal.

But if that is a bug and exploitable, you see that at least the rules cover it.

Roger dodger.

[MauttyKoray]

Mcgral18, on 18 January 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

Nice to know.


Testing is in order. If only I had a fancy mouse.

That bug was fixed long ago I believe.

[Catra Lanis]

I run AC20 I don't need no stinkin macro. On a serious note the one in the video was cheap as hell. He literally chainsawed through his opponent in seconds. That has never happened to me when confronting Dakkawolves so I assume they were firing manually. The guy will have insane screenshake, he will have no chance to defend himself. Compared to that LRM5 rainbow is a mild breeze. Once he is in range he can just press a button and execute the other guy.

People are free to use macros but I wouldn't stoop to that level myself, using that kind of macro.

Edited by Catra Lanis, 18 January 2015 - 01:03 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I remember when AC/2 had no Ghost heat. People Macro'd them to fire in succession to make a stream of bullets.

I did the SAME EXACT THING by pressing the buttons on my keyboard. Manually. No Macro. And ya know what? People accused me of being a cheating Macro-user. The AC/2 Macro was obsolete, since you can do it with firing groups and fingers. Same with LBX AC/2.

Spread them across 6 firing groups, but also put them all on group 6. Link group 6 to your mouse.
Then, drag your fingers across numbers 1-5 and click-and-hold the mouse. Instant bullet hose. No Macro needed. No cheating. That means the Macro isn't cheating either.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 18 January 2015 - 01:07 PM.

[ZenFool]

Yup, I've been having fun with the Dragon with two ac5s. Set a single ac5 to one key, set both to a second key. Tap the first, hold the second for the same effect a macro would give you. As far as I can tell, this works with every weapon. It removes the delay you would have gotten from firing using the built in backspace command. Anyone can do it without the use of macros...

[Sarlic]

ZenFool, on 18 January 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

Yup, I've been having fun with the Dragon with two ac5s. Set a single ac5 to one key, set both to a second key. Tap the first, hold the second for the same effect a macro would give you. As far as I can tell, this works with every weapon. It removes the delay you would have gotten from firing using the built in backspace command. Anyone can do it without the use of macros...

That's not about the thread.
This thread is about using macros

In your example you are still using 2 presses for 2 weapons, both invidual.
Macros can execute two commands with 1 press.

Edited by Sarlic, 18 January 2015 - 01:25 PM.

[627]

Sarlic, on 18 January 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

That's not about the thread.
This thread is about using macros

In your example you are still using 2 presses for 2 weapons, both invidual.
Macros can execute two commands with 1 press.

The point is, the outcome is the same, there's no difference. So there's no advantage like firing "faster" like many think is possible.

It is just some kind of convinience. and that's why it isn't forbidden.

[Theodore42]

627, on 18 January 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

The point is, the outcome is the same, there's no difference. So there's no advantage like firing "faster" like many think is possible.

It is just some kind of convinience. and that's why it isn't forbidden.

Yep, there are all kinds of creative groupings you can use to make fun firing patterns.

[Johnny Z]

627, on 18 January 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

The point is, the outcome is the same, there's no difference. So there's no advantage like firing "faster" like many think is possible.

It is just some kind of convinience. and that's why it isn't forbidden.

Every game I know of bans players for using macros. It is a third party program used to fire the players weapons for them. Just as a trigger bot does. There are arguements why a trigger bot shouldnt be bannable and they are exactly the same as the arguements for allowing the macro programs to fire players weapons.

Edited by Johnny Z, 18 January 2015 - 02:30 PM.

[Johnny Z]

kapusta11, on 18 January 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

Some people are just SO bad that they can't believe one can actually be good.

These are the words of what is known as the "rage hacker". They use cheats to basically rage on other players and use words like "wrecked" "get good" "bads".

RedDragon, on 18 January 2015 - 05:50 AM, said:

Why should you punish the player for using the tools he has at his disposal? Though I don't use macros because I neither do know how to use them nor do I want to invest any time in learning how to do so. But I can understand that players want to use their equipment when the game allows it. Would I be "hacking" when I used the adjustable sensitivity on my mouse because other players don't have that functionality?

If you want to blame somebody, blame the company that makes such "exploits" possible by bad game design. Because that's what it is.

The last part of this is the arguement every exploiter has used ever.

[Ultimax]

Taemien, on 18 January 2015 - 11:55 AM, said:

If Macros are allowed, chances are a dev or two (or more) is using them as well. Which means we're not going to see them disallowed anytime soon. PGI sets the rules, we just follow them. If it means macros are allowed, then they are. If you think they give you an advantage, use them. If you don't want to, then don't.

I don't use them myself and I don't see an issue. My opponent still has to aim before firing the macro. Good luck with that. Skill in this game isn't determined by mouse clicks. Anyone can do them. Getting those mouse clicks to land/stay on target while maneuvering is where its at.

No macro is going to help with that.



You don't. The Naga is extremely awkward. Even Razer says it is and supplies 'training' stickers for you to get used to it. When I used one, I typically only used 1, 3, 4, 6, 0 (10), and = (12) on there. After about 6 months the mouse utterly died.

I switched to a Logitech G600:



The extra buttons are larger and shaped differently like keys on a keyboard. Made it much easier to hit the right button and to hit only the button I wanted. And being Logitech, its not as cheaply made as a Razer product.

Owning several mice at this point, including the Naga, I've switch to the Logitech G502.

I don't need a dozen buttons for MWO, just 3 or 4 max for weapon groups, one of arty, one for DPI downshift.






The thing I love about this mouse, is that the buttons are large and well place, and that button I have for Weapon Group 3 is like having an extra slice of LMB so you can press both at the same time with one finger.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 18 January 2015 - 03:24 PM.

[RedDragon]

Johnny Z, on 18 January 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

The last part of this is the arguement every exploiter has used ever.

Well you have to be realistic about those things. If there is a way to exploit something, there will be players who will flock to it because they can only have fun by winning. That's why they try to get every possible advantage, and they don't care if other players call it "lame" or "exploiting".
As a game dev, you need to know this behavior and make sure there are as few exploitable mechanics as possible. Adding mechanics to your game that are accomplished faster/easier/more effectively by macros is bad game design. Period.

[Fate 6]

I have a Guass+ERPPC Warhawk and I fire my weapons simultaneously all the time. You don't need macros for it, you just need reflexes. Also, the projectiles have vastly different speeds, so it's not like it's that broken.

[A Duck Trio]

You just do a lifty lift or a clicky click and then you dont need no marcros no mores

[Tarogato]

I have never seen a macro I couldn't replicate with my own two hands.

Jumpjet spam? I just alternate thumbs on my spacebar for the rapid fire, no macro needed. While it's sort of an exploit, it at least makes up for some of the buggy terrain features that jumpjets really should allow you to navigate - I don't use it very often because it takes quite a bit of time to get anywhere using it. Waste of effort.

Gauss + PPC/AC? Since I'm on a Laptop, I use my thumbs for left and right click. It's extraordinarily easy for me to sync my thumbs for one to click at the exact moment the other releases. No macro necessary. Doing this on an actual mouse probably wouldn't be much different.

6x AC/2? (by extension, the LBX/2 Whale) I tried this on my Jager a long time ago. Just have three groups of two bound to three keys, all set to chainfire. Press groups 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, and then hold down your alpha strike key to keep it going indefinitely. Again, no macro needed. =]
I use the same trick on my 4x SRM2 Locust. Two pairs of SRM2 set to chainfire, alternate 1, 2, 1, 2, then hold down my alpha strike if I want to keep it going longer.

Edited by Tarogato, 18 January 2015 - 05:18 PM.

[PurpleNinja]

Darian DelFord, on 18 January 2015 - 05:20 AM, said:

They are an exploit?

A 3rd party program that circumvents the programing of the game? It removes Pilot skill and uses a program to sync your shots?

Just got out of 2 matches where a DW had 2 ER PPC's and 2 Guass macroed to a fire group. Of course he denied it but when you actually just watched him fire, it was in perfect unison. Every shot, perfect unison.

This is something that IMHO needs to be cracked down upon, the even funnier thing is the player claimed he had skill, when everyone including his teammates that were spectating knew what was really going on.

Because you totally know a macro when you see one.

[DjPush]

beerandasmoke, on 18 January 2015 - 06:37 AM, said:

about the 3min mark. Unless hes grown a 6th finger thats impossible lol. Not that I give a crap and I love the B33f but it does show that macros increase rate of fire

Oh my god! That is theB33f's real voice? I'm sorry....

[Brody319]

This is the mouse I use


Back button for weapon group 3
Forward button for weapon group 4.

I really don't need more than that. I don't use consumables, never end up with needing more than 4 weapon groups.

Plus its useful just for your regular computer time. since they are automatically bound to go forward and backwards in windows. So instead of clicking back on my web browser, I just click one of the mouse buttons and it does so. Also works for windows buttons.