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[The Massive]

1. Russ mentioned in town hall that large sale numbers of the Urbanmech would give serious weight to adding a 'stock mech' button in the 12 v 12 queue. (12 v 12 stock Urbie battles would be awesome was his reasoning if i remember correctly. Which they would)

2. One of the major issues with MWO which keeps being brought up is the steep learning curve for new players.

A stock mech queue would instantly reduce the steepness of said learning curve.

So come on everyone. Fork out $20 for the noobs. I mean who can't afford $20?

[Bishop Steiner]

Maccasimus, on 19 January 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

1. Russ mentioned in town hall that large sale numbers of the Urbanmech would give serious weight to adding a 'stock mech' button in the 12 v 12 queue. (12 v 12 stock Urbie battles would be awesome was his reasoning if i remember correctly. Which they would)

2. One of the major issues with MWO which keeps being brought up is the steep learning curve for new players.

A stock mech queue would instantly reduce the steepness of said learning curve.

So come on everyone. Fork out $20 for the noobs. I mean who can't afford $20?

not to mention, it sets a precedent. It shows the community puts it's money where it's mouth is, and thusly, future ideas may be taken more seriously.

Especially after the disaster way the ECM opportunity devolved into petty bickering and politicking.

[El Bandito]

I'd fork over $20 if PGI considers 8v8 for solo-q instead of 12 v12.

[FupDup]

If you want a stock mode that's fine and valid, but trying to sell it as being newbie friendly is factually wrong.

For starters, there's heat issues. Even with DHS-enabled Champions, nubcakes overheat at the wrong times as it is. With a minimal number SHS equipped, it would happen even more often. The builds that come with DHS stock would be exponentially superior to SHS models.

Next is ammo issues. Nearly all stock loadouts had acceptable ammo levels for TT, but in MWO they run dry very early into the fight. I imagine that many of those shots would get wasted firing off into space. I've seen people try to snipe with SRMs sometimes, and it makes me sad...

There's also armor issues on many mechs. Lights, some mediums, Jagers, and Hellbringers would be extremely frail, and would explode if they got hit by a stiff breeze. The Kit Fox stock in particular has armor comparable to a Lolcust, or in some body parts even worse (i.e. CT).

And lastly, just like customized builds, there is a stock mech meta. Yes, that's right, not all stock mechs are created equally. Some stock mechs are objectively superior to others. Many of the stock variants we have were quite literally designed from the ground up to be outright superior to their predecessors, with the only "drawback" being a somewhat higher spacebucks cost. Stock mechs with things like DHS, XL (depending on the mech), Endo, Gauss, etc. would be the kings of the castle. The Clans in particular have a lot more semi-decent stock builds than the IS does at this point in time.


...So you can have stock mode, I'm not saying no to that, but I just want ya'll to know that it really ain't newbie friendly in any sense of the word.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

That is ridiculous (even if true).
The Urban mech is the worst stock mech, for PGI to hang a flag on it means PGI doesn't understand the stock mech format.
Yes it is about playing the TT game in MWO, but even in TT the urbanmech was a joke.

If PGI really wanted to gage stock mech interest they would offer a significant c-bill bonus to running stock mechs, enough that stock mech could earn the equivalent of "built" mechs win or lose, so that there is an economic parity between the two, only then would they be able to gage stock mech interest.

Or they could just put up a poll, knowing that the elite would vote (unless it was a facebook/tweeter/redbook poll, inwhich case the unelite would vote).

[Bishop Steiner]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 19 January 2015 - 07:51 PM, said:

That is ridiculous (even if true).
The Urban mech is the worst stock mech, for PGI to hang a flag on it means PGI doesn't understand the stock mech format.
Yes it is about playing the TT game in MWO, but even in TT the urbanmech was a joke.

If PGI really wanted to gage stock mech interest they would offer a significant c-bill bonus to running stock mechs, enough that stock mech could earn the equivalent of "built" mechs win or lose, so that there is an economic parity between the two, only then would they be able to gage stock mech interest.

Or they could just put up a poll, knowing that the elite would vote (unless it was a facebook/tweeter/redbook poll, inwhich case the unelite would vote).

wow. umadbro? what urbie ever do to you? Did he touch your paperdoll? (because come april, trust me, he wilL!)

[MoonUnitBeta]

Maccasimus, on 19 January 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

1. Russ mentioned in town hall that large sale numbers of the Urbanmech would give serious weight to adding a 'stock mech' button in the 12 v 12 queue.

This is incorrect.
Wasn't the Stock button for private matches only? I'm 100% certain he said private matches.

Edit:
Yes, listening to it now. @ 1:37:47 ". . . this will probably spur me on to get the guys to make the stock only button for private matches."

Source: http://www.twitch.tv/ngngtv/v/3693956

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 19 January 2015 - 08:14 PM.

[Flaming oblivion]

Give us money or we wont do things that benefit the game.

Lol no.

PGI know nothing about the game?

Have you seen the staff when they play the score sheet at the end of the match?

Lets just say it explains a lot.

Old news.

Edited by Flaming oblivion, 19 January 2015 - 08:08 PM.

[Serpieri]

I'd play nothing but stock if this goes live.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 January 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

wow. umadbro? what urbie ever do to you? Did he touch your paperdoll? (because come april, trust me, he wilL!)

I don't meant to get bent out of shape, but the further we deviate from the CORE RULE ADHERE, the more precedents we set for power creep.

I understand the nostalgia, I really do, I think some lines have to be drawn.

[Flaming oblivion]

Power creep P2w only start showing up in the F2P world when the games done .

On its last leg scraping in the last bits of revenue they can.

I will admit I don't think MWO is there.........Yet.

The way they implemented CW ontop of the recent challenges and the ongoing problems they've had for years and haven't fixed haven't helped them all steps in the wrong direction but theres still hope.

[HAV0C]

The Urbanmech, while not exactly an 'optimized' 'mech in tabletop standards, is NOT the worst tabletop 'mech out there.

BEHOLD, the Locust LCT 1M.

Armed with a pair of LRM 5 launchers with one ton of ammo. That's it.

BUT WAIT!! It get's better!

The locust, in order to field this armament, had to sacrifice *THREE TONS OF ARMOR PROTECTION*...

Meaning, It had *ONE POINT* of armor on each leg, and each arm.

Yes. You read that right.

Machine guns tore this 'mech up. God forbid an LRM or SRM launcher landed a hit. Don't even get me started on the dangers that Small Lasers posed to this little abomination of a battlemech. If you were unfortunate enough to own or pilot this thing, I have one thing to say. Welcome to Crits-ville, population: YOU.

So before you start screaming that the Urbanmech is the worst 'mech out there. Allow me to say: Slow your roll there spark plug. There are WAY worse 'mechs I can pull out of the hat such as the Locust above.

<S> Hopefully that was somewhat educational.

-Colonel Andrew "Havoc" Davis
Death's Hand Brigade Mercenaries

[CycKath]

I thought we all needed to buy the UrbanMech so we could actually have an UrbanMech.

Don't overthink about what quirks you believe it will/won't get and will/won't need to be viable, don't over hype with "we will consider" suggestions that may never come to pass, just focus on the bare minimum. Will you spend cash money on three variants of the UrbanMech?

Of course, I weep for you if you answer No to the stripped bare question....

[InspectorG]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 January 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

not to mention, it sets a precedent. It shows the community puts it's money where it's mouth is, and thusly, future ideas may be taken more seriously.

Especially after the disaster way the ECM opportunity devolved into petty bickering and politicking.

F my life !!!

Urbie or New Summoner !!!!!!

Should i resort to panhandling?

[aniviron]

Wish my finances weren't so tight right now. :[ I'd pay just to have the stock-only mode tbh.

HAV0C, on 19 January 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

The Urbanmech, while not exactly an 'optimized' 'mech in tabletop standards, is NOT the worst tabletop 'mech out there.

BEHOLD, the Locust LCT 1M.

Armed with a pair of LRM 5 launchers with one ton of ammo. That's it.

BUT WAIT!! It get's better!

The locust, in order to field this armament, had to sacrifice *THREE TONS OF ARMOR PROTECTION*...

Meaning, It had *ONE POINT* of armor on each leg, and each arm.

Yes. You read that right.

Machine guns tore this 'mech up. God forbid an LRM or SRM launcher landed a hit. Don't even get me started on the dangers that Small Lasers posed to this little abomination of a battlemech. If you were unfortunate enough to own or pilot this thing, I have one thing to say. Welcome to Crits-ville, population: YOU.

So before you start screaming that the Urbanmech is the worst 'mech out there. Allow me to say: Slow your roll there spark plug. There are WAY worse 'mechs I can pull out of the hat such as the Locust above.

<S> Hopefully that was somewhat educational.

-Colonel Andrew "Havoc" Davis
Death's Hand Brigade Mercenaries

BV = 382. I'm splitting seams laughing over here.

[Kilo 40]

Flaming oblivion, on 19 January 2015 - 08:06 PM, said:

Give us money or we wont do things that benefit the game.

Lol no.

PGI know nothing about the game?

Have you seen the staff when they play the score sheet at the end of the match?

Lets just say it explains a lot.

Old news.

Flaming oblivion, on 19 January 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

Power creep P2w only start showing up in the F2P world when the games done .

On its last leg scraping in the last bits of revenue they can.

I will admit I don't think MWO is there.........Yet.

The way they implemented CW ontop of the recent challenges and the ongoing problems they've had for years and haven't fixed haven't helped them all steps in the wrong direction but theres still hope.

I agree. You should totally uninstall and tell everyone that you did so they can do the same.

[Alex Morgaine]

Buy, not by. Cause by would mean closer to skipping in this case xD.

[IronLichRich]

HAV0C, on 19 January 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

The Urbanmech, while not exactly an 'optimized' 'mech in tabletop standards, is NOT the worst tabletop 'mech out there.

BEHOLD, the Locust LCT 1M.

Armed with a pair of LRM 5 launchers with one ton of ammo. That's it.

BUT WAIT!! It get's better!

The locust, in order to field this armament, had to sacrifice *THREE TONS OF ARMOR PROTECTION*...

Meaning, It had *ONE POINT* of armor on each leg, and each arm.

Yes. You read that right.

I had one of those get within short range of one of my gauss rommels
That was fun for me

[Apocryph0n]

there's 2 reasons to buy the Urbie.

a.) It's the cutest trashcan ever, no matter how good or bad it will be gameplay wise.
b.) Russ said on the Townhall: "If this does not work out that's the last time you guys got me", no one wants this.


Edit: @Flaming oblivion:

Since we are now judging peoples skills by the 2 matches we played together with them:

You are not in a position to comment on other people's skills.

Edited by Apocryph0n, 20 January 2015 - 01:09 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Maccasimus, on 19 January 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

1. Russ mentioned in town hall that large sale numbers of the Urbanmech would give serious weight to adding a 'stock mech' button in the 12 v 12 queue. (12 v 12 stock Urbie battles would be awesome was his reasoning if i remember correctly. Which they would)

2. One of the major issues with MWO which keeps being brought up is the steep learning curve for new players.

A stock mech queue would instantly reduce the steepness of said learning curve.

So come on everyone. Fork out $20 for the noobs. I mean who can't afford $20?

$20 for a PoS.

Sorry I understand the joke of Urban Awesomeness, but its a PoS. If a Stock Mech button hinges on blackmail, I'd rather not have it.