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#421 wanderer

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Posted 22 January 2015 - 09:23 PM

View PostWarZ, on 22 January 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:


You basically just said NOTHING and tried to be as insulting as possible while doing it. Poorly played.

As for the role-playing element, you didnt read what I wrote in the first place or glossed over it so fast and hard you did not take it in:

You have alt accounts who represent rebels, a merc unit hired to "fly the Davion flag" by another power in your government or an outside house.

You could have rebels and / or leadership elements in House Davion which is seeking to destablize House Davion. Reasons could be dissatisfaction with current leadership, sympathy to the clans, or just a plain old power grab. It could be another house seeking destabilization.

This fits in PERFECTLY with battletech lore. It is an excellent addition to not only the clan wars gameplay, but also the potential role playing elements.



Let's put it this way. Kurita had the Black Dragons.

They proceeded to go fratricidal on their own people and blew away multiple regiments that were disloyal to the guys on top because when you do stuff like that is slapping the Coordinator in the face and saying you're better than he is, so nyah nyah we rule and Teddy drools!

We can be all Black Dragon-y, but there's no pissed off Kanrei to sic his loyal Swords on the offending ronin and punt them in their metal man-panties. And that's a problem. You can be Black Dragon. I can't have the option of disagreeing by shooting you in the face for doing it. You get all the carrots, no fear of sticks.

Edited by wanderer, 22 January 2015 - 09:24 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2015 - 09:47 PM

View Postwanderer, on 22 January 2015 - 09:23 PM, said:

We can be all Black Dragon-y, but there's no pissed off Kanrei to sic his loyal Swords on the offending ronin and punt them in their metal man-panties. And that's a problem. You can be Black Dragon. I can't have the option of disagreeing by shooting you in the face for doing it. You get all the carrots, no fear of sticks.

Eloquent.

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Posted 22 January 2015 - 10:12 PM

View PostHarathan, on 22 January 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

Eloquent.


Thank you. Dry text gets boring without a little spice.

#424 Alexander Steel

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Posted 22 January 2015 - 11:57 PM

View PostHarathan, on 22 January 2015 - 09:14 PM, said:


Hmm. Ninjas!


Did somebody call for some ninja?



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Posted 23 January 2015 - 12:16 AM

So... People complaining that a Merc corps in game in Community Warfare is fighting against a so called "Allied" faction (Davion and Stiener for eg) is a very bad thing?

Hate to break it to ya but the only economics here at the moment is just c-bill changes for what faction and there is no penalty for attacking any faction you want besides losing loyalty points to that said faction if you worked with them before.... which can be a good thing due to how ranks work atm. (you can abuse this to get fast c-bills between 2 rotating factions)

Anyway... These 'alliances' are formed on the forum.
I rarely look in the CW forum and I do not do the forum politics of this faction alliances and such.

Now imagine players who do not speak english... for all we know there is a kurita + davion aliance on the russian subforum or something or maybe another alliance on some other website. (or they do not use any social media for MW: O stuff besides MW: O game itself)


I think it shouldn't be punishable for players to do this davion verse steiner business.

This is a side effect of allowing us to kill this 'allied faction' in lore for C-bills and loyalty points.

Nothing controls the game politics besides the players sadly.




I think the only thing that can help prevent this sort of drama and sense of alliances and such if the game mechanics support it. Because atm... fighting for a faction has 0 reasons. the only values are for Role Play and pick if you want to be on the good team or the bad team... or how much c-bills you want to do for the contract.

Besides C-bills, LP rewards, and player base. there is no difference between factions atm... doesn't matter if Stiener attacks jade falcon, ghost bear, kurita, davion, or marik. it's just numbers and colours atm...

We need a bit more work on CW before we cry about politics... however player politics need to be influenced more strongly into CW then remain on the websites. Kinda unfair to bash a player for attacking an ally he never knew he had.

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 06:48 AM

View PostDimento Graven, on 21 January 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

No, I already answered your premise which was the exact same self-serving, self-conflicting BS as I've seen over and over again.

But more specific to your point, you believe that a faction of the clans would disagree with the Clan policies, and therefore create a brand new unit to join Davion to attack Steiner, to disrupt the Clans?

Seriously...

And you wonder why I didn't bother responding directly to you, but instead left all my previous responses I'd made on similar, yet better constructed arguments, as a defacto answer...
Did the Jade Falcon's have the Khan's approval to launch the "Red Corsair" attacks? (I don't have the books with that specific story)

#427 Dimento Graven

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 07:12 AM

View PostWarZ, on 22 January 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

You basically just said NOTHING and tried to be as insulting as possible while doing it. Poorly played.
Not insulting you. Insulting the stupid idea you presented.

I'd answered that same sort of non-logic, AT LEAST, 10 times before that point. I chose to ignore it and you come off like you've made some super unanswerable quandary, or I'm somehow afraid of it.

PUH-lease...

Again, you're telling me 12 people decide they don't like Faction A's politics against Faction B, create throw away accounts to join Faction C, to attack Faction B, and that is somehow supposed to cause Faction A some sort of inconvenience?!?!

PUH-lease....

If they wanted to screw with Faction A, they could have done so with their original accounts, attacking Faction A's allies/non-aggression partners.

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As for the role-playing element, you didnt read what I wrote in the first place or glossed over it so fast and hard you did not take it in:

You have alt accounts who represent rebels, a merc unit hired to "fly the Davion flag" by another power in your government or an outside house.

You could have rebels and / or leadership elements in House Davion which is seeking to destablize House Davion. Reasons could be dissatisfaction with current leadership, sympathy to the clans, or just a plain old power grab. It could be another house seeking destabilization.

This fits in PERFECTLY with battletech lore. It is an excellent addition to not only the clan wars gameplay, but also the potential role playing elements.
EXCEPT, that in THIS particular case, it really benefits, THE ORIGINAL PRIMARY FACTION.

And why create brand new throw away accounts to do it? Why not take your original primary accounts, JOIN the Davion faction and do exactly what you're talking about?

Oh, no, that's not what happened. An entire unit created brand new accounts to this sort of thing. WHY? Because they new it was going to benefit their original primary account's faction. This wasn't RP, this was a BS maneuver to provide their primary faction some breathing room on a front they were losing on.

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But you are happily glossing over the above facts. Mainly because you are just pissed off that some players are not doing what YOU want.
You presented NO FACTS, so there were none to "gloss over" you presented a THEORETICAL circumstance that DID NOT apply to the situation I originally posted about.

You keep wanting to make it some sort "oh so intelligent and super tricky RP element" when in fact it was just a BS maneuver designed to weaken one front of a faction they were having trouble with on their original accounts.

If you presented ACTUAL FACTS of the situation I'm posting about, please do so again, I keep missing them.

Theories are not facts, they are guesses.

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And in the end the only reason to oppose what is happening is because YOU believe it should not happen. This is YOUR opinion. Other players can SHARE your opinion. But it does not change the fact that it is an OPINION. You have ZERO right to have control over another player. Escpecially when it is your OPINION that is driving your desire for PERSONAL CONTROL.
Yeah I have a problem with an entire unit of people creating brand new throw away accounts to joining one faction to attack another faction in an attempt to provide their PRIMARY account's faction some benefit.

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I made a valid and non insulting comment / suggestion about what is happening. Explainable in a role playing perspective, which I think has value. You basically glossed over my post and/or didnt actually read it, then proceeded to insult me. This is how you operate by default ? I hope you have ZERO confusion as to why other players would not want to side with your opinion, much less want to operate under your constraints regarding the invasion strategy.
I insulted your ideas, not you. You are not your ideas, and again, after having responded to the same silly idea so many frickin' times already, excuse me if I get a little impatient at having to repeat myself.

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 07:46 AM

View PostDimento Graven, on 23 January 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:

Yeah I have a problem with an entire unit of people creating brand new throw away accounts to joining one faction to attack another faction in an attempt to provide their PRIMARY account's faction some benefit.

How did they benefit their faction? Wouldn't it have been much more benficial if they were instead playing in their real accounts and dropping for their faction, instead of wasting hours in the hope that someone they want to draw away from their boarder bites?

Sorry, but I can't see any real benefit here for those you constantly accuse.

Edited by Egomane, 23 January 2015 - 08:04 AM.


#429 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 09:55 AM

View PostEgomane, on 23 January 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

How did they benefit their faction? Wouldn't it have been much more benficial if they were instead playing in their real accounts and dropping for their faction, instead of wasting hours in the hope that someone they want to draw away from their boarder bites?

Sorry, but I can't see any real benefit here for those you constantly accuse.

The only benefit I can see is they will be able to become rich. Which IS an advantage.

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 10:46 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 23 January 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:


The only benefit I can see is they will be able to become rich. Which IS an advantage.


Turret drops are not money makers when compared to basically anything else you could be actively doing with 12 people in the game. Seriously if they wanted money they'd be better off dropping in the non-CW matchmaker side of the game or even running normal drops with their mains in CW.

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 11:30 AM

View PostAlexander Steel, on 23 January 2015 - 10:46 AM, said:

Turret drops are not money makers when compared to basically anything else you could be actively doing with 12 people in the game. Seriously if they wanted money they'd be better off dropping in the non-CW matchmaker side of the game or even running normal drops with their mains in CW.

There was a player bragging up a 1 million +C-bill CW match. It was impressive, Could be done legally or by what this thread suggests.

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 11:48 AM

View PostDimento Graven, on 23 January 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:


Again, you're telling me 12 people decide they don't like Faction A's politics against Faction B, create throw away accounts to join Faction C, to attack Faction B, and that is somehow supposed to cause Faction A some sort of inconvenience?!?!

PUH-lease....

(Stuff...)

Yeah I have a problem with an entire unit of people creating brand new throw away accounts to joining one faction to attack another faction in an attempt to provide their PRIMARY account's faction some benefit.



So first your DON'T think this will have any impact on anyone and is a waste of time, then you flip flip and say that it ISN'T a waste of time and it helps the PRIMARY FACTION?

Why the sudden change of heart halfway through the post?

And why are you fighting so hard to stop this? Seems like you have the most to gain from stopping this? Or are we trying to hide a hidden agenda?

LOL please excuse my tinfoil hat.... :D

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 12:08 PM

View PostAlexander Steel, on 22 January 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

Did somebody call for some ninja?




Meh! Call me old school.

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#434 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 12:10 PM

View PostMystere, on 23 January 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:


Meh! Call me old school.

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Meh
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Posted 23 January 2015 - 12:23 PM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 23 January 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

Meh
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Your counter is Stephen K. Hayes? Really?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Edited by Mystere, 23 January 2015 - 01:26 PM.


#436 Alexander Steel

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 12:41 PM

This thread is about people making alt characters to attack and try to destabilize alliances. A 1 million c-bill match could not be done that way because those attacks are all Turret Drops. You are thinking of something else and there is a thread about that issue.

This is what you are thinking of and could indeed be farmed for money.

http://mwomercs.com/...elves-cheating/

Edited by Alexander Steel, 23 January 2015 - 12:43 PM.


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Posted 23 January 2015 - 12:45 PM

View PostMystere, on 23 January 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:



Your counter is Stephen K. Hayes? Really?

:lol: :lol: :lol:



Be sure to arm your ninjas with "quality" products.



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Posted 23 January 2015 - 12:48 PM

That TWolf is clearly OP

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 02:34 PM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 23 January 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

Meh
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LOL I think I owned that book once upon a time... :)

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 02:53 PM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 23 January 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

There was a player bragging up a 1 million +C-bill CW match. It was impressive, Could be done legally or by what this thread suggests.


It's easy done legally, as long as you have premium and on defence.





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