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[Fox Kell]

Kain Thul, on 26 January 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

I know, I dropped with you.

I'm just saying all thsee peace talks and politics are a waste of time and to be frank, embarassing.

What is embarrassing is fighting for back planets that are insignificant to the push towards Terra...

[KuroNyra]

Fox Kell, on 26 January 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

What is embarrassing is fighting for back planets that are insignificant to the push towards Terra...

What is even more embarrassing is seeing your territory being split, be attacked. And just bowing your head and giving the knife to be killed with.

[Kain Demos]

Fox Kell, on 26 January 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

What is embarrassing is fighting for back planets that are insignificant to the push towards Terra...

So you would be the laughing stock of the clans, the only one to have our territory cut in half by our supposed allies?

And who's to stop them from stopping there? You can hold all the peace talks you want and two more merc units can show up in GB tomorrow and just resume the attacks besides the fact that to trust any of them would be completely foolhardy.

Once again, talk makes us look weak. We need action on planets, not words on PGI's forums.

Edited by Kain Thul, 26 January 2015 - 01:40 PM.

[Fox Kell]

KuroNyra, on 26 January 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

What is even more embarrassing is seeing your territory being split, be attacked. And just bowing your head and giving the knife to be killed with.

How is having our territory split (which it wont) have any significance on pushing to Terra. We dont need it to push South. The more u spend defending planets the less we move forward. The Mercs and CGB want to stomp 1 unit.

[Ihasa]

Gyrok, on 25 January 2015 - 10:34 PM, said:

No you were not...

Then Gyrok sir, we need to have a discussion. You keep telling me I didn't hear things I clearly did. That in-person meeting you had with two of us, one was me. And while you weren't rude or anything, you were quite clearly not supportive and incensed Soaq so much he almost threatened you. And while it is NOT the basis or foundation for CI's attitude and actions regarding Clan Wolf, it IS the basis for the decision we made to instead go Ghost Bear, thereby directly conflicting with 40% of my unit that voted to go Clan Wolf. And it was a BIG DEAL. The very next day I called a MANDATORY all-officers meeting (we don't do things like that usually), all 16 or so were there, including our Euro officers who stayed up to something like 4am their time, as our discussion was hours and our decision to do something contrary to popular vote heavy, but eventually also unanimous based off the conversation we (me and Soaq) had with you that night, and earlier with some other Wolf leaders of different Galaxies (that I'm sorry I can't all remember because at the time they all sounded the same to me).

And now, groins have been kicked and kidneys have been punched. Blueduck steps up to try to at least defuse another potential Wolf vs the World situation into something that won't make most of his, or other causal units up and quit CommWar or worse the game, and you insult him. You are not doing Clan Wolf any favors by being so abrasive to everyone. Let Blueduck's initiative have some support and gain some traction to at least create battles we can all call Good Games and not burn out or turn off hundreds of Wolf warriors.

If there must continue to be hostilities between Ghost Bear Merc units, there should be nothing wrong with trying to make them less, well, hostile. I'll support trying to do that and I'll talk to the rest of CI leadership to support trying to do that.

I understand you're going to be working with GK soon. You'll find out that CI and GK have a great relationship, a successful MCW partnership and talk often. In fact I had an awesome talk with Fantastic Ergo about the situation last night. Take a minute or two to find out why and how we can do that, but other units in Wolf absolutely could not. Take a minute to follow their example, and see what a difference it makes in the way CI "handles" you, your unit and your faction. I'd be willing to bet it might ripple to MS too, cause they're not unreasonable either.

[hybrid black]

Vincent V., on 26 January 2015 - 06:54 AM, said:

Clan Kodiak is a ghostbear unit and the only unit with in MercStar to have any ties to a clan unit so we said ghostbear would be our home for clans, it will be up for them if we go wolf

[operatorZ]

Choice 1: let Mercs traverse wolf space to fight JF

Outcome: They do just that but dont abide by terms because they wont...they are Mercs...they will not close attack lanes...neither would I if I was a Merc. This is obvious...Wolf loses planets and any remaining respect.

Choice 2: Deny Mercs attack lane to JF....

Outcome: Mercs mass attack wolf and get attack lane anyway...which they will do...because they are Mercs... Wolf loses planets but holds on to what little respect we have left. Go down Fighting.

I choose option 2...fight

Anybody that has paid attention to how MS has acted since the start and thinks they will honor some agreement about "planets" or "closing lanes" is seriously deluding themselves or working for MS.

[Summon3r]

Fox Kell, on 26 January 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:

Had we not been split because of your silly feuds we would not have lost our FRR attack corridor.

ok so you would rather just let them roll over us.... there is no frr corridor at this moment get it through your head and fight clans are born of war not of peace... its ok though if you want to hide today cause the merc units are to tough on the new guys.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Again guys, lets keep the RP to a minimum for a moment.

The real issue comes down to problems in the beta and wait times. Merc units want more fights, they con't care about planets persay.

I do sympathize with this as I too hate the wait times and part of the reason I only play CW occasionally. Part of the reason we fight each other is simply because we are all active.

I personally don't care if the merc units want to take a couple of planets assuming we can take them back right away.

Is it really that important to deny them simply more fights?

Its not like we would lose any planets out of it.

Edited by Blueduck, 26 January 2015 - 02:58 PM.

[Kain Demos]

Blueduck, on 26 January 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

Again guys, lets keep the RP to a minimum for a moment.

The real issue comes down to problems in the beta and wait times. Merc units want more fights, they con't care about planets persay.

I do sympathize with this as I too hate the wait times and part of the reason I only play CW occasionally. Part of the reason we fight each other is simply because we are all active.

I personally don't care if the merc units want to take a couple of planets assuming we can take them back right away.

Is it really that important to deny them simply more fights?

Its not like we would lose any planets out of it.

See, I'm the opposite. I could not possibly care less who we fight or the quality of the opponent, wait times are always **** no matter what.

Planets in CW space is what I care about and right now we are the ******* laughing stock of the clans and it burns me.

While our territory shrinks and is poked at in all directions some are adding further insult by "negotiating".

Edited by Kain Thul, 26 January 2015 - 03:01 PM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Kain Thul, on 26 January 2015 - 03:00 PM, said:

See, I'm the opposite. I could not possibly care less who we fight or the quality of the opponent, wait times are always **** no matter what.

Planets in CW space is what I care about and right now we are the ******* laughing stock of the clans and it burns me.

While our territory shrinks and is poked at in all directions some are adding further insult by "negotiating".

My friend, its a beta.

I too want to get serious about CW but its hard when we really don't "get" anything for our planets.

I mean seriously what is our objective right now? We're going south to Terra right; we can't even pick what stupid planet we would like to attack!

I really have tried to get into the whole planet defense/offense thing but then I look at the issues the mercs are having, wait times, limited maps, and no bonus as at all for owning the planet.

I think these issues will be resolved and it will get completive eventually but I'm not going to take this hyper serious until we get an actual functioning set of rules in CW.

Mostly what I would like to avoid now is people getting personally attacked or actually getting really upset about a beta that frankly is pretty lame right now.

[Gyrok]

Ihasa, on 26 January 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Then Gyrok sir, we need to have a discussion. You keep telling me I didn't hear things I clearly did. That in-person meeting you had with two of us, one was me. And while you weren't rude or anything, you were quite clearly not supportive and incensed Soaq so much he almost threatened you. And while it is NOT the basis or foundation for CI's attitude and actions regarding Clan Wolf, it IS the basis for the decision we made to instead go Ghost Bear, thereby directly conflicting with 40% of my unit that voted to go Clan Wolf. And it was a BIG DEAL. The very next day I called a MANDATORY all-officers meeting (we don't do things like that usually), all 16 or so were there, including our Euro officers who stayed up to something like 4am their time, as our discussion was hours and our decision to do something contrary to popular vote heavy, but eventually also unanimous based off the conversation we (me and Soaq) had with you that night, and earlier with some other Wolf leaders of different Galaxies (that I'm sorry I can't all remember because at the time they all sounded the same to me).

And now, groins have been kicked and kidneys have been punched. Blueduck steps up to try to at least defuse another potential Wolf vs the World situation into something that won't make most of his, or other causal units up and quit CommWar or worse the game, and you insult him. You are not doing Clan Wolf any favors by being so abrasive to everyone. Let Blueduck's initiative have some support and gain some traction to at least create battles we can all call Good Games and not burn out or turn off hundreds of Wolf warriors.

If there must continue to be hostilities between Ghost Bear Merc units, there should be nothing wrong with trying to make them less, well, hostile. I'll support trying to do that and I'll talk to the rest of CI leadership to support trying to do that.

I understand you're going to be working with GK soon. You'll find out that CI and GK have a great relationship, a successful MCW partnership and talk often. In fact I had an awesome talk with Fantastic Ergo about the situation last night. Take a minute or two to find out why and how we can do that, but other units in Wolf absolutely could not. Take a minute to follow their example, and see what a difference it makes in the way CI "handles" you, your unit and your faction. I'd be willing to bet it might ripple to MS too, cause they're not unreasonable either.

I was abrasive? Excuse me?

One of your high council members threatened to bore a hole through Clan Wolf whether we agreed to your demands or not.

Might I point out that the presentation made was done poorly. It was not..."Do you think we could..." It was presented as "We are going to...".

As for hostility...I had none. The fact that I was being threatened in a meeting called by your council was bad enough, then, when you mentioned about coming to CW to work together, I thought that sounded much better than you asking for a corridor to cut completely through CW space.

So, forgive me if I sound confused...because abrasive was the attitude I got from you guys. Trying to be diplomatic was what I was doing. I did not want to step on your toes...but I knew in my heart/mind that the proposition you proposed would never fly. The one that is being offered by MS now will never fly. I can assure that 2 of the 3 major players for CW in terms of numbers will not agree to any of it. That has not changed, and will continue to be the case.

If you felt like there was an issue...you should have come to talk to me. I would have gladly discussed any ideas you had, or questions about joining us. I know you and GK have a good relationship. Frankly, I think the fact that there was some huge misunderstanding over all this indicates that there should simply be more communication over the matter.

I will, however, emphatically stand by my earlier comment.

I, nor anyone I know, never told you that you were not welcome at Wolf. If you felt that way, you should spoken up.

Edited by Gyrok, 26 January 2015 - 03:22 PM.

[KuroNyra]

Blueduck, on 26 January 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

Again guys, lets keep the RP to a minimum for a moment.

The real issue comes down to problems in the beta and wait times. Merc units want more fights, they con't care about planets persay.

They want more fight, they go where there is fight! They want to fight Jade Falcons, they either join a IS faction facing them or they join Clan Wolf who have a direct frontier with them!
THEY DON'T SPLIT IN HALF A TERRITORY "FOR THE LULZ", for f*ck sake it's unbelievable some people want even try to defend that! I don't know who is the dumbest between theses guys, or the guys trying to defend theses guys!
It is simple basic logic! But again, Logic is something rare on the Internet. And -MS- seems to lack a lot of it. (and sadly they aren't the only ones.)

Edited by KuroNyra, 26 January 2015 - 03:23 PM.

[operatorZ]

Blueduck, on 26 January 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

Again guys, lets keep the RP to a minimum for a moment.

The real issue comes down to problems in the beta and wait times. Merc units want more fights, they con't care about planets persay.

I do sympathize with this as I too hate the wait times and part of the reason I only play CW occasionally. Part of the reason we fight each other is simply because we are all active.

I personally don't care if the merc units want to take a couple of planets assuming we can take them back right away.

Is it really that important to deny them simply more fights?

Its not like we would lose any planets out of it.

Found the problem (see above)....you know what they say about assuming


also....who is RPing?

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

operatorZ, on 26 January 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

Found the problem (see above)....you know what they say about assuming


also....who is RPing?

I'm not saying we don't fight them, but if they really want to go west just so they can attack falcon I don't really care.

If we really want an all out fight with CB and MercStar so be it, but at least we can be civil about it.

I personally would just prefer to fight whatever including the falcons but I would like to have things at least a bit ordered and reasonable.

[KuroNyra]

Blueduck, on 26 January 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

I'm not saying we don't fight them, but if they really want to go west just so they can attack falcon I don't really care.

And that's why Clan Wolf lost most of his credibility.
Heck, I could make a godwin point out of this situation pretty easyly now.

[Fox Kell]

Summon3r, on 26 January 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

ok so you would rather just let them roll over us.... there is no frr corridor at this moment get it through your head and fight clans are born of war not of peace... its ok though if you want to hide today cause the merc units are to tough on the new guys.

Well yeah I am kinda new, only played 2 months or so but can hold my own. Anyways not sure why you think so much about getting rolled. they want to wipe a certain Unit, I have no issues with that.

I would much rather have an alliance with CGB and Mercs than an out of control looney who insults and degrades his own Clan and new players...

[operatorZ]

Lets fight them if they want wolf planets....perfectly civil

[Fox Kell]

KuroNyra, on 26 January 2015 - 03:39 PM, said:

And that's why Clan Wolf lost most of his credibility.
Heck, I could make a godwin point out of this situation pretty easyly now.

No we lost credibility when certain units RP'ed our own death. Pushed away very strong allies and possibly the best units in the game to flex his muscles, now he's getting whipped for it.

Dont worry its all gonna be ok soon, negotiations are underway. We will be stronger than ever.

Edited by Fox Kell, 26 January 2015 - 03:44 PM.

[Ax2Grind]

So much drama. Hope your all having fun, otherwise, you may want to reconsider how your playing this part of the game.

Blue...I think the diplomacy game is almost more trouble than the direct attack game!

Edited by Ax2Grind, 26 January 2015 - 04:21 PM.