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#81 Valar13

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 11:53 AM

View PostDawnstealer, on 30 January 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

I actually want to be able to defend Davion worlds, even tried to, but since you aren't on border with the Clans, I can't. So once it happens? Yeah - I'll be there on the CSJ/Davion front helping to defend. Then again, this IS beta and I'd assume they're going to bang some of the kinks out of this thing before too long. Then reset the borders.

In no way do I think this is the finished product

Don't take my comment as an attack against you guys, I'm just wondering aloud as to what's going to happen once we're the faction with more open fronts than anyone else has yet had at one time, with the possible exception of you guys when Marik and Kurita were still actively attacking.

#82 Murphy7

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 12:09 PM

Coming late to the thread, but a paricular faction's success / failure rate isn't what I personally find discouraging about CW play.

In no particular order, my disappointments with CW are:

(1) It is not worth the wait.

If you have a full 12 player group, you will be waiting up to 10 minutes for your attacking drop, longer in a defensive drop. Your defense could wait forever for an attacker to come offer battle, attack may get you a ghost drop which is largely a giant waste of time - 10 minutes wait for 3 minutes of running about against static AI defense. Getting a drop against a live unit can get you 15-20 minutes of good battling, if both sides actually offer battle which isn't often the case. Even then, you are looking at about 20 minutes fighting and 30 minutes of waiting in queues and 10 minutes of player-based nonsense in each hour. Solo or group dropping gets you more combat per hour with less waiting in queue.

(2) CW is all "Assault" game mode.

This is what it was like originally, and results in some objective based strategies that don't feel fun for most involved. People would get annoyed with cap rushes back when, and some of the CW strategies feel similar. Other game modes for more variety could help - with the map support as well. I don't think a CW-sized "Conquest" mode would appeal to me, but something akin to "Skirmish" might if the map were open and large enough. An attrition mode could be interesting as well - one side gets their full dropships (defenders), the other (attacker) drops in the same selected mech over and over ad infinitum until the defense side is fully eradicated.

(3) Maps need to be more open for variety in game play and strategies.

If Boreal were shaped differently - one large Nascar loop with attacker drops at one end and the defense networt 180 degrees opposite around it, and Boreal had to defend two entrances linearly opposite one another, that could be interesting. Better still, something akin to Terra Therma where the defenders are set up in the center will several (3+) viable entrances and the attackers have free run of the perimeter would also be better. What we have are defenders locking into a cul-de-sac that means nothing since the attackers are funneled strongly into one ot two (Boreal) or three (Sulfur) attack vectors that are easilty covered by the defenders.

(4) Ghost drops aren't helping anyone.

Wait 10 minutes for 3 minutes of play and a pat on the head for defeating AI. Rinse repeat, knowing only that each ghost drop counts the same as a match win for territory. Defenders queue where attacks happen, may face a battle while two others ghost drop around them. They either win the match, and lose two ticks on the planet, or lose the match and lose three ticks on the planet. If you don't have overwhelming numbers to bolster your defense, there is not much you can do about it. Attackers spend a lot of time waiting for litte reward, defenders are deincentivized to fight, and the populations taking part in CW dwindle which exacerbates the ghost drop phenomenon. It would be nice if ghost drops turned tickets a neutral color (yellow?) for "contested", requiring a second drop (ghost or active) to turn it over. Deincentivize the ghost drop as a strategic goal, help funnel players into actually contesting with one another.

Edited by Murphy7, 30 January 2015 - 12:14 PM.


#83 Valar13

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 03:46 PM

Consider me discouraged. Tired of having to herd cats into a stomping.

I'll be back to CW when my faction stops phoning it in.

#84 Lord Ikka

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 03:54 PM

View PostValar13, on 30 January 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

Consider me discouraged. Tired of having to herd cats into a stomping.

I'll be back to CW when my faction stops phoning it in.

That's too bad Valar13, our matches against RRB, HHoD, and AW are some of the most fun I've had.

#85 The Droid

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 03:57 PM

View PostValar13, on 30 January 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

Consider me discouraged. Tired of having to herd cats into a stomping.

I'll be back to CW when my faction stops phoning it in.



#86 Valar13

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 03:59 PM

View PostLord Ikka, on 30 January 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

That's too bad Valar13, our matches against RRB, HHoD, and AW are some of the most fun I've had.

Likewise. I'm mostly frustrated because you deserve smarter and better opposition, and we're either too disorganized or too disinterested to provide it. So instead of doing CW, I'm going to devote that time to doing whatever I can diplomatically to get our **** together.

#87 Lord Ikka

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 04:05 PM

Fair enough. We'll see you guys soon enough I believe.

#88 Kivatu

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 04:23 PM

i guess its because some ppl have to deal with real world other than just gaming

#89 Valar13

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 04:24 PM

View PostKivatu, on 30 January 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

i guess its because some ppl have to deal with real world other than just gaming

Nah, when I see enough people online to be defending a planet and not doing so, I don't think it has anything to do with IRL.

#90 Tasker

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 04:59 PM

Look forward to battling you again in future, Valar.  For Dear Coordinator!

Edited by Tasker, 30 January 2015 - 04:59 PM.


#91 Samurai Hanse Davion

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 05:07 PM

View PostValar13, on 30 January 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

Consider me discouraged. Tired of having to herd cats into a stomping.

I'll be back to CW when my faction stops phoning it in.



#92 SteelWarrior

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 06:50 PM

View PostValar13, on 30 January 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

Consider me discouraged. Tired of having to herd cats into a stomping.

I'll be back to CW when my faction stops phoning it in.


LOL. After all the **** you talked, Kurita puts on the heat and you tuck your fedrat tail between your legs and run? Seriously? Shame upon your honor sir!

#93 Valar13

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 09:10 PM

View PostSteelWarrior, on 30 January 2015 - 06:50 PM, said:

LOL. After all the **** you talked, Kurita puts on the heat and you tuck your fedrat tail between your legs and run? Seriously? Shame upon your honor sir!

I don't recall talking ****, but ok.

#94 SteelWarrior

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 09:27 PM

I would happily link my sources but you deleted all your threads...

#95 Valar13

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 09:29 PM

If you're referring to my *joke* threads, that were removed for reasons you're not privy to...I'm glad not all Kurita peeps are as dense as you, is all I'mma say.

#96 Vlad Ward

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 09:33 PM

Good games on Arkab tonight, Kurita folks (and Davions, who totally swore they would stop defending Kurita worlds).

Clan Smoke Jaguar will be expecting the Arkab Legion's application for admission to the Clan hordes within 2 business days.

#97 Chameleon257

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 10:39 PM

View PostLord Ikka, on 30 January 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

That's too bad Valar13, our matches against RRB, HHoD, and AW are some of the most fun I've had.


I loved playing with you Valar13 and MischiefSC tonight it was really fun. All though I didn't find the tacos you've hidden in the Omega

#98 Roadbeer

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 10:45 PM

View PostChameleon257, on 30 January 2015 - 10:39 PM, said:


I loved playing with you Valar13 and MischiefSC tonight it was really fun. All though I didn't find the tacos you've hidden in the Omega

It's a ruse

After fighting Davion for 7 weeks, I can tell you without a doubt that the tacos are between the turrets behind Omega.

#99 MischiefSC

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 11:05 PM

View PostRoadbeer, on 30 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

It's a ruse

After fighting Davion for 7 weeks, I can tell you without a doubt that the tacos are between the turrets behind Omega.


Seriously. Can we not trust Marik with anything?

Was a lot of fun, glad to drop against someone but NS sometimes :P

#100 cranect

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 11:13 PM

Obviously you can trust us. We haven't told them about how you keep all the good stuff beneath the omega cannon in a vault. Wait ummm just forget I said anything...





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