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[Yokaiko]

Darth Hotz, on 31 January 2015 - 05:29 AM, said:

With all respect, dont you have anything to say about all Tier 1s being Clans? Is it always that people have no clue? Maybe a look at the CW map from start to now will help to get a better picture:




Fact is that Clans have spread like cancer. Can this be explained by having the better players only?

Yeah nothing to do with IS loyals actively avoiding the clan front like Davion and Kurita

[Vxheous]

CardMaster7, on 30 January 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

Yes teamwork helps, but that doesn't change the fact that I am pugging and constantly being matched up to non pugging clan groups.

let me just go and call up all my friends (almost none of my real life ones play MWO) and make a team in the blink of an eye, that will solve all my match making problems. Yeah right.

Nowhere did I say get your RL friends and form a team. You are Davion, the most popular IS faction, with scores and scores of organized units. You say you play with pugs and it sucks, then go join one of these teams. If you choose not to, stop complaining that organized teams stomp you and go back to playing solo queue because it is your choice to not find a team.

In fact, the unit that I am a part of is made up exclusively of casual players, and we can field almost 2 12 mans for community warfare every night. If you want to play Clan, I could send you an invite. Remember, the only person that sets limits on their own teamplay is yourself.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 31 January 2015 - 02:55 PM.

[Yokaiko]

Valar13, on 31 January 2015 - 02:03 AM, said:

Do the faction a favor and get with one of the Davion units.

1. You won't need to worry about this because we're not currently fighting Stormcrows
2. BACON
3. You will have 3-11 other guys shooting that Stormcrow to death with you. He will not live to make the same mistake twice. And you will steal his woman.

Facing the grave Kurita threat (lol) and winning that clans are OP.

Vxheous Kerensky, on 31 January 2015 - 02:50 PM, said:

In fact, the unit that I am a part of is made up exclusively of casual players, and we can field almost 2 12 mans for community warfare every night. If you want to play Clan, I could send you an invite. Remember, the only person that sets limits on their own teamplay is yourself.

This.

[KuroNyra]

Kjudoon, on 29 January 2015 - 08:05 PM, said:

There are currently 5 broken mechs.

Dire Wolf
Timber Wolf
Stormcrow
Firestarter
Thunderbolt.

How do you know they're broken? That's about all you see nowadays en masse

Dire Wolf is hardly broken, all his drawbck compense for his strenght.
He got armor, but no speed. He got firepower, but run hot very quickly, He is 100 ton, but you cannot take multiples ones. He is also impossible to miss, and absolutly everybody and there mums focus it.

Let's not forget the yaw angles and the speed of torso twist, managed to do some circle of death against some in a Yen-Lo-Wang.


Dire Wolf is hardly broken and is au contraire like it should be. Deadly and dangerous, but no way invincible.

People talk about the Clan Trinity when there is actually only 2 mechs who got problems. The StormCrown and the Timber Wolf, but hey. You can't judge something you don't own. And since most of the Cry against the Dire Wolf are made by guy who haven't used it to get to now that guy...


It's like saying a Hunchback is OP because of his big gun while not acknowledging his obvious flaw... Yes, some people thought the Hunchie was OP in the past.

Edited by KuroNyra, 31 January 2015 - 04:30 PM.

[dervishx5]

Yeah, Dire Wolves have a big KILL ME FIRST sign above their heads. For a good reason, but still.

[SickerthanSars]

>IS pilots crying about clan tech after the quirks

how much hand holding do some people need

[Nightshade24]

Personally if there is a 12 man of anything, it's 12 IS man light lances in CW that are the most OP that I would complain about . not stormcrows...
Stormcrows can't end the game in less then 3 minutes....

[Tezcatli]

When one mech can fill all the roles you need. Is that balance?

Whatever. It doesn't matter. They've shown no interest in addressing this issue. We've only been talking about it since CW's release. But it got overshadowed by the whole Thunderbolt debacle. Which isn't balanced either. Having one mech that is good at long range PPC spam. Doesn't really make up for the two best mechs in the game able to make up the entire Clan drop deck.

[Yokaiko]

Tezcatli, on 31 January 2015 - 08:43 PM, said:

When one mech can fill all the roles you need. Is that balance?

Whatever. It doesn't matter. They've shown no interest in addressing this issue. We've only been talking about it since CW's release. But it got overshadowed by the whole Thunderbolt debacle. Which isn't balanced either. Having one mech that is good at long range PPC spam. Doesn't really make up for the two best mechs in the game able to make up the entire Clan drop deck.

Again, what should we pick over it?

Oh by the by, I don't roll TBRs, like ever currently.

[xxREVxx]

Tarl Cabot, on 29 January 2015 - 10:18 PM, said:

What do you expect them to bring?

The thing is for the Clans is that they do not have a wide range of mechs that IS does, thus most of their mechs, especially omni, are generalist types due to the ability to switch out pods between battles, whereas for the IS mechs most are specialists. And the Clan omni-mechs are more symmetric with payload spread out on both sides.

Thank you. You saved me a long speech. Getting sick of hearing nerf this, nerf that...when all we do is adapt to the next FOTM PGI seems to float the IS guys right and left.

[Tezcatli]

Yokaiko, on 31 January 2015 - 09:55 PM, said:

Again, what should we pick over it?

Oh by the by, I don't roll TBRs, like ever currently.

How about everything else? IS has the same problem, we have a lot of under performers. But none of our mechs are on the level of the Stormcrow. They certainly can't fill every role we need at only 55 tons. : /

Edited by Tezcatli, 31 January 2015 - 10:06 PM.

[Karl Marlow]

Mark Brandhauber, on 30 January 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

stormcrows thunderbolts firestarters and madcats are definitely broken in cw, the direwolf no because you must sacrifice much tonnage to take it, If anything to represent the clanners more accurately they should get a lower tonnage cap that it may force them to take mechs other than stormcrows and the odd heavy

What would you lower it to? To take 4 Stormcrows is 220 tons. Lowering it much more would almost mandate cookie cutter buidls within the clans.

I'm not entirely sure removing stormcrows is even that nesicerry. Personally I like having 4 differnt mechs when I drop. Variety is the spice of life. Some people would just rather keep things strait forward and the Stormcrow is a decent choice. Speed of a light and armor almost that of a heavy. I think people need to move beyond calls for limiting or removing mechs simply on teh basis of "They are effective"

Edited by ThomasMarik, 31 January 2015 - 10:29 PM.

[Pat Kell]

OMG....almost every mech out there can fill any role it chooses too simply by swapping out weapons, a feat that even the supposed weak IS mechs can do. Crows are great because of their speed...that is their single biggest advantage and it's the same with the timber. They are hardly broken. And I am just going to repeat myself from another thread, the moment you nerf crows, the good players who are using this are just going to find something else to beat you with. I'm not opposed to changes when they are made completely obvious but just because something is used often, doesn't mean it's broken, it just means that it's effective. The moment crows are nerfed, people will start running 12 hellbringers with ecm and people will whine about that and on and on and on....stop getting stomped and thinking the problem is the mech, the problem is the pilot and their mutual inability to work as a team or take any action whatsoever that might endanger them in any way even though it would be beneficial to the team. That, right now, is the single biggest problem in the game right now, not crows, not timbers, not thunderbolts...none of it. The single biggest problem is people dropping as solo pilots and expecting to do well against an organized team on comms. If you don't want this game to suck, stop playing like it's a 1v12 match, get on comms, join a team or at least try your best to stick together because I am sick and tired of listening to the overwhelming whine fest from people who refuse to work together. If you drop alone, you will die alone.

[Gyrok]

Pat Kell, on 31 January 2015 - 10:47 PM, said:

OMG....almost every mech out there can fill any role it chooses too simply by swapping out weapons, a feat that even the supposed weak IS mechs can do. Crows are great because of their speed...that is their single biggest advantage and it's the same with the timber. They are hardly broken. And I am just going to repeat myself from another thread, the moment you nerf crows, the good players who are using this are just going to find something else to beat you with. I'm not opposed to changes when they are made completely obvious but just because something is used often, doesn't mean it's broken, it just means that it's effective. The moment crows are nerfed, people will start running 12 hellbringers with ecm and people will whine about that and on and on and on....stop getting stomped and thinking the problem is the mech, the problem is the pilot and their mutual inability to work as a team or take any action whatsoever that might endanger them in any way even though it would be beneficial to the team. That, right now, is the single biggest problem in the game right now, not crows, not timbers, not thunderbolts...none of it. The single biggest problem is people dropping as solo pilots and expecting to do well against an organized team on comms. If you don't want this game to suck, stop playing like it's a 1v12 match, get on comms, join a team or at least try your best to stick together because I am sick and tired of listening to the overwhelming whine fest from people who refuse to work together. If you drop alone, you will die alone.

This.

[Gyrok]

Darth Hotz, on 31 January 2015 - 05:29 AM, said:

With all respect, dont you have anything to say about all Tier 1s being Clans? Is it always that people have no clue? Maybe a look at the CW map from start to now will help to get a better picture:




Fact is that Clans have spread like cancer. Can this be explained by having the better players only?

Actually...yes, it can.

Pilot skill > mech

[Yokaiko]

Tezcatli, on 31 January 2015 - 10:04 PM, said:

How about everything else? IS has the same problem, we have a lot of under performers. But none of our mechs are on the level of the Stormcrow. They certainly can't fill every role we need at only 55 tons. : /

I'd rather wubverine really, I do a LOT more damage with god quirked LPLs then I do with long burn Cllas.

[Airwolf]

You moan about the Stormcrows, and I've heard many a moaning and groaning about the Streak-Crows. You *do* realize that the Streak-Crow was the Clan's answer to the twelve-man IS light mech rush? So you can thank the IS groups that came up with the light rush tactic for all the Streak-Crows that you now see. Btw ... that IS light mech tactic was flipping AWESOME ... (even though it REALLY hurt being on the receiving end of it <g>). Also, I don't think that I've ever seen a 12-man stormcrow run ... sounds interesting ... thanks for the idea ....

[DarkExar]

Airwolf, on 01 February 2015 - 02:07 AM, said:

You moan about the Stormcrows, and I've heard many a moaning and groaning about the Streak-Crows. You *do* realize that the Streak-Crow was the Clan's answer to the twelve-man IS light mech rush? So you can thank the IS groups that came up with the light rush tactic for all the Streak-Crows that you now see. Btw ... that IS light mech tactic was flipping AWESOME ... (even though it REALLY hurt being on the receiving end of it <g>). Also, I don't think that I've ever seen a 12-man stormcrow run ... sounds interesting ... thanks for the idea ....

Last night in 3 hold territory matches on boreal - 3 games were FS, SDR, JR rushes 1st/4th wave
Should I now cry loudly "NERF NERF!" ? No, we changed tactics in our pug team and prepared for rush. 1st game was a total rollout by organized Kurita, 2nd against pug was so, so close matching fight but mistakes defeated us finally, 3rd battle with pug IS that rushed us really aggressive was well hard fought on both sides and enjoyable. But then we clanners emerged victorius.
Its more about communication and skill than "nerf this or that mech" /unless its TDR-9S (joke /.

GGs, and bring it on IS, don't cry

[Mogul]

Personally I think drop decks should be limited to one variant of each mech, would add more variety and negate the 12 man meta OP drops to maybe one per game.

[Pat Kell]

Once they inject more clan mechs into the game, that would be a nice idea I think but for now, we are fairly limited on what we can take. There are weight classes that are not represented and not to mention that some clan mechs are still only available for MC would further limit what some people could take. give it some time and things will spread out some.