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[Noesis]

TEOLAYKI, on 03 February 2015 - 01:51 AM, said:

Very disfunctional.

Just a funny and very sad story to share with you folks.

Not to long ago I fired up CW and the only Warriors on were Clan Wolf. We were all talking while waiting the 9 minutes and decided to Ghost Drop over and over again if we had to just to take the planet back. We dropped twice after that and got easy wins and the talk kept up. On the forth drop we came up against an opponent, I don't remember who, maybe MS. We got our butts kicked. When the match was over I signed up right away to fight for my planet again. I waited 20 minutes and I was the only one in wait. All the other left CW totally, did not even try to attack or defend another planet.

I am more disappointed in my Clan than the Mercs.


PS. How did all this BS start anyway. What did that person do. Can someone point me to the post and/or enlighten me.

And then you jump on the forums from that point of ignorance and start running your mouth like you have an answer. And start insulting other groups with false accusations and insuations about intentions or "behaviour" due to your missplaced loyalties to people who don't actually give a crap about your Clan it seems.

Don't you think MS deserve an apology first after trying to force sympathy?

Otherwise I would suggest maybe finding another Clan, one that will support you in your endeavours perhaps. At the very least try and find a credible unit who has prepared for Community Warfare who will feel less intimidated by "organised" play that you can join. One who will better prepare you for the "realities" of warfare in MWO?

Please note also MS field 12 people at a maximum on a drop the same as any other team in MWO. And in the case of Clan Vs Clan the same tech. So only skill, tactics and organisation can seperate these factors when it comes to the actually drop performance itself. This then equally achievable by other groups if they set their mind to the idea. This also made more easier with PGI introducing better social tools in the upcoming near future.

MS have people who have spent months practicing, drilling, analysing and recruiting pilots of the right character for their intentions to do well in MWO. This now clearly being recognised in their achievements. I find it a bad taste in the mouth then when others try to decry this when all they have perhaps done is sit on the fence believing everything is ok and then asking PGI to rectify their lack of focus and preperation when the **** then hits the fan for them. This in addition to the arrogance and insults they have chosen to deal with their own shortcomings by pointing the finger of blame elsewhere or fabricating scapegoats.

(Forum decorum suggests that I censor what would have been my next comment).

Edited by Noesis, 03 February 2015 - 02:16 AM.

[TEOLAYKI]

Didn't expect a response so fast. Where are you at, up late in the states or overseas in the middle of the day like me?

Noesis, on 03 February 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

MS having better skill and less numbers than Wolf is not bullying. Humiliating to Wolf perhaps but not bullying. The very fact that both sides have a shotgun, wolf perhaps having more shotguns, but MS being better able to use theirs is why you fail. But it isnt bullying. Otherwise you'd be effectively saying that any military action taken against another could be effectively called "bullying". It is perhaps only "bullying" since any aggressive action you might have experienced in the playground was called such? But in warfare they kind of don't regard "fairness" outside of needed morality. All is fair in love and war. And Clan Wolf now only want to play the victim it seems in trying to derive sympathy as opposed to capably defending yourselves. This whilst sending pictures of animals supposedly representative of ******* others in the ass cause you are so "leet" or whatever. Such dissonance, such confusion, such manipulation, such pathetic. As a better act of sympathy maybe one of the other Clans should call a trial of absorption for Clan Wolf and stop the embarresment to Clan Warfare?

I agree with every thing you said except two things.

1) It is Bullying and is expected in warfare and I not no problem with it in this game, even with what is going on now. If MS is big and bad enough to push through to CJF do it and more power to them. Just don't expect people to like it. I'm sure the IS does not like that we are taking planets from them, but that is the game and we are bullying them.

2) I was never bullied. I was always the star athlete and bouncer and protected others from bullies. Just not big enough to in this game.

[Noesis]

TEOLAYKI, on 03 February 2015 - 02:07 AM, said:

Didn't expect a response so fast. Where are you at, up late in the states or overseas in the middle of the day like me?




I agree with every thing you said except two things.

1) It is Bullying and is expected in warfare and I not no problem with it in this game, even with what is going on now. If MS is big and bad enough to push through to CJF do it and more power to them. Just don't expect people to like it. I'm sure the IS does not like that we are taking planets from them, but that is the game and we are bullying them.

2) I was never bullied. I was always the star athlete and bouncer and protected others from bullies. Just not big enough to in this game.

Really? You think people who actually do well in war in RL actually "fully" like what they do?

However, there are no psycopaths in the MWO Merc community that I'm aware of, just people who want to do well like yourself. If you are going to whine over people doing better than you in a "competative" war simulation that you then think it is bullying, then I think you need to re-appraise your involvement with the game. At least take a step back and re-consider your position with things here as something suggests an unhealthy relationship to a "computer game".

If it makes you feel any better and helps you get a better grasp on the reality of what is going on here: no mothers will cry over the loss of loved ones due to the outcome of battles in MWO. Seriously, those letters don't get posted during ceasefire.

[Noesis]

TEOLAYKI, on 03 February 2015 - 02:07 AM, said:

I was always the star athlete and bouncer.

Then you should know what you need to do then. Raise the bar, train, get better, join with like minded people, get even better ....... and so on. Missplaced whining on the forums is wasted energy and wasted opportunity.

Otherwise there is the old addage of: "if you can't beat them, join them." perhaps.

There are however plenty of units and factional communities out there that have better prepared for MWO. So I would suggest finding a more supportive home that will help nuture your efforts and talent for MWO. Which is a win/win situation then as the community evolves with the progression of MWO as a result.

[TEOLAYKI]

Noesis, on 03 February 2015 - 02:03 AM, said:

And then you jump on the forums from that point of ignorance and start running your mouth like you have an answer. And start insulting other groups with false accusations and insuations about intentions or "behaviour" due to your missplaced loyalties to people who don't actually give a crap about your Clan it seems. Don't you think MS deserve an apology first after trying to force sympathy? Otherwise I would suggest maybe finding another Clan, one that will support you in your endeavours perhaps. At the very least try and find a credible unit who has prepared for Community Warfare who will feel less intimidated by "organised" play that you can join. One who will better prepare you for the "realities" of warfare in MWO?

It seems to me that you are taking everything or most of what I am trying to convey in the wrong light.

Me finding another Clan. not in chance.

Insulting other groups. There was no insult in anything I said and none intended except toward my own Clan. MS gets no apology because I do not believe I cast one at them nor intended to, sorry thou if you believe so. The only insult real or other wise is to my Clan because many in Wolf need to grow a pair (even if they are a female warrior).

I have no loyalties to anyone (especially for someone that does something that can cause such discord in such a great product) or anything in this game except my Clan and if as a whole Wolf excepts what is happening so will I.

My point of ignorance on the starting point of everything has nothing to do with my knowledge of what is happening now and MS may have been fully justified in their actions. I accept that.

Finding a unit is the plan but unfortunately job, location and other facts of life don't support that right now. That may be changing soon.

Try reading my post with a neutral eye then you may see that there was no insult toward you intended. If you saw it that way I am sorry.

[Noesis]

TEOLAYKI, on 03 February 2015 - 02:37 AM, said:

Try reading my post with a neutral eye then you may see that there was no insult toward you intended. If you saw it that way I am sorry.

It is whether you yourself consider this as intentional or not, or if you equally recognise some responsibility for your actions, after all it was you who was trying to give MS the "bully" label remember. If you no longer believe this to be true they don't you consider your previous comments to be a poor representation of these things then?

My intentions then spending efforts trying to get you to consider the matter with a more measured perspective perhaps?

[TEOLAYKI]

Noesis

If you can, what about my request to be enlightened or pointed toward the post(s) that started all this.

[Noesis]

TEOLAYKI, on 03 February 2015 - 02:52 AM, said:

Noesis

If you can, what about my request to be enlightened or pointed toward the post(s) that started all this.

There is a lot of water under the bridge to cover. I wouldn't want to suggest origins without you seeing the journey at the same time. Some of which has been censored or deleted by moderation anyhow.

I wish I had the time to do this also, but I think this is a responsibility for yourself to research, at least if you want to be more informed on the issues and have your own more personal perspective.

Maybe someone could be more forthcoming with details, but I don't want to rekindle old ground and flame old wounds needlessly. Especially when some of this stems back months in terms of MWO history to internal Wolf politics even prior to CW. Either way make sure you get numerous points of view to get a complete and perhaps unbiased picture of things.

tbh, I think you could invest your time more constructively by focusing on the positives and going forward. But I also understand the need to satisfy curiosity also. Will wait with anticipation to read an anthropological study of MWO Clan Wolf if you feel so inclined to explore these things for yourself however.

Edited by Noesis, 03 February 2015 - 03:23 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Noesis, on 03 February 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

MS having better skill and less numbers than Wolf is not bullying. Humiliating to Wolf perhaps but not bullying.

The very fact that both sides have a shotgun, wolf perhaps having more shotguns, but MS being better able to use theirs is why you fail. But it isnt bullying. Otherwise you'd be effectively saying that any military action taken against another could be effectively called "bullying".

It is perhaps only "bullying" since any aggressive action you might have experienced in the playground was called such? But in warfare they kind of don't regard "fairness" outside of needed morality.

All is fair in love and war. And Clan Wolf now only want to play the victim it seems in trying to derive sympathy as opposed to capably defending yourselves. This whilst sending pictures of animals supposedly representative of ******* others in the ass cause you are so "leet" or whatever.

Such dissonance, such confusion, such manipulation, such pathetic.

As a better act of sympathy maybe one of the other Clans should call a trial of absorption for Clan Wolf and stop the embarresment to Clan Warfare?

you know your little MS traitors were the cause for all this + a bit GCBG?
and I guess in terms of shotguns CWI has the better accuracy while having lower numbers. CWI mostly have one single 12 man group online at EU primetime, yet thats enough to own entire planets. So when MS really has 300 people, they seem to have more shotguns than gunners.

Edited by Lily from animove, 03 February 2015 - 06:32 AM.

[Noesis]

Lily from animove, on 03 February 2015 - 03:31 AM, said:

you know your little MS traitors were the cause for allt his + a bot GCBG?
and I guess in terms of shotguns CWI has the better accuracy while having lower numbers. CWI mostly have one single 12 man group online at EU primetime, yet thats enough to own entire planets. So when MS really has 300 people, they seem to have more shotguns than gunners.

Firstly MS are not mine.

Secondly if they are "little" why are you so concerned? 300 as an estimate btw, will not all be in the EU TZ.

Thirdly I do not consider them as traitors when they are MERCs following a legitimate attack route not then representing anything other than their own concerns. How can you be a traitor to a cause if it is your own? CGB have denounced any influence to MERC use in the initial stages even if by involvement at the same time these MERC groups are helping to progress CGB further into the IS by that association.

And yet GK a loyalist unit from Clan Wolf actually went Kurita to attack CSJ. CW even made a non-aggression pact with Steiner ffs. CW in many guises continues to attack CGB planets and are traitourous to a prevous intentional agreement. Likewise they were the first to attack CGB borders prior to CGB retaliating. So it was in fact CW who drew first blood in the inter Clan conflicts as I recall.

This since it was first a case of "we are Clan Wolf we are so mega we can take what we like", mixed in with messages of "its ok for CGB to take those planets to help them with their attack lanes" shortly after when retaliation occured. In essence you were so disorganised as the start of CW that the left hand didnt know what the right hand was doing and where sending mixed messages on the forum as a result.

Various members of your community have and continue to insult others on the forums and try to control posting and send messages whining to the community and PGI that its "not fair". And yet the rest of the MWO community seems to handle all of this with less issue. CSJ, CJF, recognised as smaller communities all fairing well under the mechanics of CW. All with again equal opportunity to relate to other members of the MWO social spectrum in the same way.

You simply don't want to admit to your own failings and those that have been created by your own lack of ability to relate internally or by lack of orgnisation and preperation to do well in MWO. Something several members of Clan Wolf have indentified with, including identifying bad eggs or elements of your communty at the same time. And yet you simply want to point the finger of blame elsewhere and whine to MWO to get ongoing bail outs rather than step up to the challenge of CW.

MWO deserves better, imho.

Edited by Noesis, 03 February 2015 - 04:16 AM.

[Alexander Steel]

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They are children returning to the home of their parents. Essentially the guys who took over are squatters.

LOL.. no. They are the children of a bunch of military deserters who 300 years later still hold a grudge against the place they walked away from and feel that they are somehow owed the land back, even thought it wasn't theirs when they left.

[CyclonerM]

Black Nationalist Gul Dukat, on 02 February 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:

This is basically the definition of bullying.

Threating someone with a gun would be even worse than bullying i think

Noesis, on 03 February 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

As a better act of sympathy maybe one of the other Clans should call a trial of absorption for Clan Wolf and stop the embarresment to Clan Warfare?

Pff. The only embarassment i have seen in CW so far (aside from the burnout of the Wolf players before the Jan 20th patch..) is some mercs having so much influence in CW (definitely a lack of CW). And the confusion and drama they have caused..

I would advise for a Trial of Annihilation against the Dark Born, instead. If PGI does not fix our attack corridors, that is. In that case, we will have something more important and useful to do first..

And i used to have some respect for you, Noesis. But if you call for a Trial of Absorption (seriously, can a Dark Caste representative do that? ) i cannot stare at the monitor without replying, you know. See you on New Bergen , o7

Edited by CyclonerM, 03 February 2015 - 06:02 AM.

[Noesis]

CyclonerM, on 03 February 2015 - 06:01 AM, said:

Threating someone with a gun would be even worse than bullying i think


Pff. The only embarassment i have seen in CW so far (aside from the burnout of the Wolf players before the Jan 20th patch..) is some mercs having so much influence in CW (definitely a lack of CW). And the confusion and drama they have caused..

I would advise for a Trial of Annihilation against the Dark Born, instead. If PGI does not fix our attack corridors, that is. In that case, we will have something more important and useful to do first..

And i used to have some respect for you, Noesis. But if you call for a Trial of Absorption (seriously, can a Dark Caste representative do that? ) i cannot stare at the monitor without replying, you know. See you on New Bergen , o7

Cycloner the lack of respect is mutual. Try less **** stiring by you and the other CW lackeys and perhaps focus on the needed objectives for CW. The drama only stemming from yourselves. Everyone else in CW with other factional related interests at least can be more mindful of each others concerns to some extent. Only in Wolf space is this taken to the nth degree. Oh wait that requires effort, discipline, consistancy and skill to achieve this, maybe not then. Best stick to contributing on the forum with crap instead eh?

Oh and btw, also try to be informed and do more than click like buttons randomly then perhaps, especially when then being seen as sychophantic to MERCs and Dark Born views since your trying to gain favour then? Especially if you hold no respect to those ideals anyhow?

Also I guess why you aren't in charge of Clan Wolves strategical concerns if you think the most priority concern of threat comes from the Dark Born. Have fun chasing ghosts if you do, especially if we decide to come into Clan Wolf space anyhow. I am however flattered that you consider that Clan Wolf forces would need to focus on a handfull of pilots from the Dark Caste however. We must be so terrifying to you. Oooooooh, best check the closet before you go to bed at night, the Dark Caste live in their ready to take young sibko away, ooga booga. *scary rustling noises*

Anyhow keep up with the "howlers". Ignoring your root problems and remaining in denial of the reality of things, pointing the finger of blame elsewhere wont make those problems go away as much as you like to think they will. If anything the Darwin effect should have shown you to perhaps change your social behaviour by now.

But this is why absorption might be the better option if you can't evolve. Imagine if Clan Wolf was say under the guidance of CGB or CSJ. Think how more galvanised an effective you might be. Then perhaps you might be able to be more ambitious of changing the focus away from just a handfull of Dark Caste players and perhaps aspire to real meaningfull community warfare interests as per the original objectives of the Clans?

Edited by Noesis, 03 February 2015 - 06:21 AM.

[Gyrok]

TEOLAYKI, on 03 February 2015 - 02:52 AM, said:

Noesis

If you can, what about my request to be enlightened or pointed toward the post(s) that started all this.

He cannot do so, because there is no post. Only shenanigans from the other side.

[CyclonerM]

Noesis, on 03 February 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

Cycloner the lack of respect is mutual. Try less **** stiring by you and the other CW lackeys and perhaps focus on the needed objectives for CW. The drama only stemming from yourselves. Everyone else in CW with other factional related interests at least can be more mindful of each others concerns to some extent. Only in Wolf space is this taken to the nth degree. Oh wait that requires effort, discipline, consistancy and skill to achieve this, maybe not then. Best stick to contributing on the forum with crap instead eh?

Oh and btw, also try to be informed and do more than click like buttons randomly then perhaps, especially when then being seen as sychophantic to MERCs and Dark Born views since your trying to gain favour then? Especially if you hold no respect to those ideals anyhow?

Also I guess why you aren't in charge of Clan Wolves strategical concerns if you think the most priority concern of threat comes from the Dark Born. Have fun chasing ghosts if you do, especially if we decide to come into Clan Wolf space anyhow. I am however flattered that you consider that Clan Wolf forces would need to focus on a handfull fo the Dark Caste however.

Anyhow keep up with the "howlers". Ignoring your root problems and remaining in denial of the reality of things, pointing the finger of blame elsewhere wont make those problems go away as much as you like to think they will. If anything the Darwin effect should have shown you to perhaps change your social behaviour by now.

But this is why absorption might be the better option if you can't evolve. Imagine if Clan Wolf was say under the guidance of CGB or CSJ. Think how more galvanised an effective you might be. The perhaps you might be able to be more ambitious of chanign the focus away from just a handfull of Dark Caste players and perhaps aspire to real meaningfull community warfare interests as per the original objectives of the Clans?

I am a simple warrior, i am in charge of nothing

At this moment, i am doing a couple of pug drops with some Clan mates, this is not the time to contribute in CW. And it seems to me that the least concerned with the others' concerns are the mercs themselves.. Since the start their philosophy was to do their own thing and who cares about anyone else.. But i talked too much about it.

On the other hand, i have always supported unity and focus on our goals, not to mention "effort, discipline, consistancy and skill" because i know that it is what it takes to take planets.


I click the like button when i like a post, regardless of who posted it. Simple, quiaff?

I never saw you in my CW drops, i think. It is you who is presenting himself as an enemy. You threaten us, then you say we chase ghosts?

CW under the guidance of CGB? If anything, we might do better under the guidance of MS and CI.. Because their efforts brought you pretty far it seems..

[Noesis]

Gyrok, on 03 February 2015 - 06:19 AM, said:

He cannot do so, because there is no post. Only shenanigans from the other side.

There is a full stack of insults, **** stirring and falsifications made by CW and quite a recognisable set of "shenanigans" from yourself Gyrok. This then being the journey of many months with your influence to these events and with your own Clan now confirming and identifying with your failings and how you act as a poor ambassador for Clan Wolf interests. Some of which as "shenanigans" that has simply been deleted by moderation due to your contributions being unnacceptable to the community.

But of course with any argument only the other side is to blame. But you would indicate, incorrectly I might add, that it all stems from only external sources. "Only shenanigans from the other side" as you would put it.

The finger of blame again showing itself, you never then accept any responsibility for your own actions or are sufficently mature enough to be accountable for them. This why the community has lost respect for you.

[Lily from animove]

Noesis, on 03 February 2015 - 03:56 AM, said:

Firstly MS are not mine.

Secondly if they are "little" why are you so concerned? 300 as an estimate btw, will not all be in the EU TZ.

Thirdly I do not consider them as traitors when they are MERCs following a legitimate attack route not then representing anything other than their own concerns. How can you be a traitor to a cause if it is your own? CGB have denounced any influence to MERC use in the initial stages even if by involvement at the same time these MERC groups are helping to progress CGB further into the IS by that association.

And yet GK a loyalist unit from Clan Wolf actually went Kurita to attack CSJ. CW even made a non-aggression pact with Steiner ffs. CW in many guises continues to attack CGB planets and are traitourous to a prevous intentional agreement. Likewise they were the first to attack CGB borders prior to CGB retaliating. So it was in fact CW who drew first blood in the inter Clan conflicts as I recall.

This since it was first a case of "we are Clan Wolf we are so mega we can take what we like", mixed in with messages of "its ok for CGB to take those planets to help them with their attack lanes" shortly after when retaliation occured. In essence you were so disorganised as the start of CW that the left hand didnt know what the right hand was doing and where sending mixed messages on the forum as a result.

Various members of your community have and continue to insult others on the forums and try to control posting and send messages whining to the community and PGI that its "not fair". And yet the rest of the MWO community seems to handle all of this with less issue. CSJ, CJF, recognised as smaller communities all fairing well under the mechanics of CW. All with again equal opportunity to relate to other members of the MWO social spectrum in the same way.

You simply don't want to admit to your own failings and those that have been created by your own lack of ability to relate internally or by lack of orgnisation and preperation to do well in MWO. Something several members of Clan Wolf have indentified with, including identifying bad eggs or elements of your communty at the same time. And yet you simply want to point the finger of blame elsewhere and whine to MWO to get ongoing bail outs rather than step up to the challenge of CW.

MWO deserves better, imho.

twist reality dude, twist reality.

first thing:

at the beginning there were issues bewteen CW and JF and CW and bears.

ceasfires have been made to focus on the IS.

The bears violated this ceasfire and took planets which the wolves did not defend because of ceasifre.
As the wolves started takign them back, bears qq'ed for ceasfire again.
Wolves accepted.

Then again bears did violated that ceasfire. and again were pushed back.

CW doesn't have ceasfire with steiner, how do you come to this? The only reason why CW is not attackign steiner is that after we had a border to steiner we could take one or 2planets and then there were no further planets given to clan wolf to attack.
Even FRR planets were not available. The algorithm was bugged. And because of bears again attackign for whatever stupid reason and the wolves only having JF and bear border, guess who now is the target?

you just harvest the fruits of your traitor seeds. Now deal with it.
YOU ALL ARE THE GB. No matter what your mercs do.

Stop twisting the truth of what happens, because you fail, you can not hide this. MS only proceeded when they took unguarded planets, they don't even have balls to protect them. Why should they, they better betray your clan somewhere else turning other clans against you.

[CyclonerM]

Lily from animove, on 03 February 2015 - 06:39 AM, said:

CW doesn't have ceasfire with steiner, how do you come to this? The only reason why CW is not attackign steiner is that after we had a border to steiner we could take one or 2planets and then there were no further planets given to clan wolf to attack.
Even FRR planets were not available.

We had a ceafire with them for a week to focus on other more pressing matters i think. Events are happening so quickly i forget about them lol.

[Noesis]

CyclonerM, on 03 February 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

You threaten us.

Look back and you will find that the behaviour of the Dark Born has been to defend various interests based on what has been said by Clan Wolf. This is different from a position of aggression.

CyclonerM, on 03 February 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

I click the like button when i like a post, regardless of who posted it. Simple, quiaff?

Neg, since you send mixed messages that are not consistant. One hand you say you don't repect certain players, the next minute you are seen supporting their concerns. This is the sychophants approach to things or that you think you can gain favour with the click of a button.

If not as you say then you largley then have mixed and perhaps confused views as to what to stand for.


You responding to both MS and CI about the value of diplomacy:

Cycloner M said:

Again, we have the power. The power to collaborate for our common goal, or the power of doing our own thing and possibly leading to defeat or cause trouble to our faction as a whole. That is our free choice. However, i would strongly reccoment the first choice ..

I will therefore leave you to your choice of causing trouble for your own faction as a whole. As is your choice to make at the end of the day. And I cannot deny you that choice it seems despite your own advice?

[Jaroth Corbett]

Lily from animove, on 03 February 2015 - 06:39 AM, said:

twist reality dude, twist reality.

first thing:

at the beginning there were issues bewteen CW and JF and CW and bears.

ceasfires have been made to focus on the IS.

The bears violated this ceasfire and took planets which the wolves did not defend because of ceasifre.
As the wolves started takign them back, bears qq'ed for ceasfire again.
Wolves accepted.

Then again bears did violated that ceasfire. and again were pushed back.

CW doesn't have ceasfire with steiner, how do you come to this? The only reason why CW is not attackign steiner is that after we had a border to steiner we could take one or 2planets and then there were no further planets given to clan wolf to attack.
Even FRR planets were not available. The algorithm was bugged. And because of bears again attackign for whatever stupid reason and the wolves only having JF and bear border, guess who now is the target?

you just harvest the fruits of your traitor seeds. Now deal with it.
YOU ALL ARE THE GB. No matter what your mercs do.

Stop twisting the truth of what happens, because you fail, you can not hide this. MS only proceeded when they took unguarded planets, they don't even have balls to protect them. Why should they, they better betray your clan somewhere else turning other clans against you.

Mercs who took a Bear contract. Get your facts straight please.