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[Kjudoon]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

Hidings not a Plan?

Plan C.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:28 AM, said:

As I already pointed out in another post, standing totally still and doing nothing while waiting for the counter to run out is hardly what I consider "playing". Yeah I know, but that's how special snowflake people play! Well it's still wasting everyone else's time either way no matter how you look at it.

And you died playing your way, so let the guy still alive play the game his way since you CANNOT play in that match any more. What you Consider playing is not important as long as it is within the rules of the game. And it is not stopping anyone from quitting the match and using a different mech. The only person wasting your time is you.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 02 February 2015 - 07:34 AM.

[Havyek]

That Dawg, on 02 February 2015 - 07:20 AM, said:

OMG...you're THAT guy, aren't you!
The FIRST one to die, the first one to stand on that ridge line, the first one to report the last man standing, AMMIRITE??

First to die? Sometimes, I'm not a fan of ridge lines so trying to get around often leaves me aloneish. Report location? Not usually. I'm usually not in game long enough after. I have other 'Mechs to play.

The odd time I'll hang around is during a decently close match, or to cycle around and see other people's weapons loadouts. When the last 'Mech is standing and he goes to run and hide I won't say anything. I note his location just in case. When they shut down, usually a few team chat "WTF are you doing? Are you hiding?" Depending on the response, then it's usually an all chat "They're hiding at XYZ"

Again, if all you want to do is go hide, find another game to play. I can watch someone all day jockey for position, poptart, or slice 'Mechs out of the herd but I have no patience for some jackass who just wants to extend the game for the sake of making things take longer.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

You ever played crisscross? It's a very simple game with very few different things to worry about. I dare you to become great at it, because you know it's so few things to consider.

Which CrissCross

[Torgun]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

No, that's either a disco or griefing or an AFK and have zero problem with their position being reported. If, on the other hand, they are not found at spawn have walked off and taken damage or dealt damage, they participated. The quality of their participation is NOT a factor in what participation is.




Ah the 'Two wolves and a sheep vote for dinner" philosphy of protecting the rights of others.

Right now, the person who demands another player cede their right to play as they desire is the most selfish.

In case you missed the agreement you make every time you hit launch, it goes like this:

"I agree to allow all of us 15 minutes in which to play a match in the manner we personally enjoy."

If this is not acceptable, don't hit launch.



Whatever you do... don't play community warfare. That's the entire gameplay for one team right there. And doing the tactically smart thing is not always a thrill ride.

Yeah scratching one opponent with an ERLL and then hide for the rest of the match is perfectly good gameplay right now according to CoC. That's why CoC is flawed as it is because you are actually allowed to troll everyone in the entire matchup by doing this. In the end you're basing your whole "selfish" discussion on how the CoC is right now, which is seriously flawed as is.

I've played a bunch of CW already, it gets boring doing cannon rushes after a while.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

Yeah scratching one opponent with an ERLL and then hide for the rest of the match is perfectly good gameplay right now according to CoC. That's why CoC is flawed as it is because you are actually allowed to troll everyone in the entire matchup by doing this. In the end you're basing your whole "selfish" discussion on how the CoC is right now, which is seriously flawed as is.

I've played a bunch of CW already, it gets boring doing cannon rushes after a while.

Nope not good, just not illegal.

[Torgun]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

And you died playing your way, so let the guy still alive play the game his way since you CANNOT play in that match any more. What you Consider playing is not important as long as it is within the rules of the game. And it is not stopping anyone from quitting the match and using a different mech. The only person wasting your time is you.

You would have a point if my mech was not locked in the match. As it is now I most certainly am getting my time wasted when I have a set amount of time to play and want to play with the mech I'm using currently. And as I've pointed out a multitude of times, the CoC as it is currently is flawed and that's why we're getting all this pointless hiding.

[Kjudoon]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:42 AM, said:

You would have a point if my mech was not locked in the match. As it is now I most certainly am getting my time wasted when I have a set amount of time to play and want to play with the mech I'm using currently. And as I've pointed out a multitude of times, the CoC as it is currently is flawed and that's why we're getting all this pointless hiding.

Buy a second mech, more engines, more modules or whatever else you need to just leave match and hop back and forth between the two.

I do all the time now. It's easy and grinds faster and guarantees I don't get the same players that either cost me the match or were real jerks.

But, that's taking proactive steps and personal accountability.

Edited by Kjudoon, 02 February 2015 - 07:44 AM.

[Torgun]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

Nope not good, just not illegal.

Yeah but you think this should be fine however many decide to do exactly that? Because I sure don't, and that's why CoC needs to be improved.

[Kjudoon]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:43 AM, said:

Yeah but you think this should be fine however many decide to do exactly that? Because I sure don't, and that's why CoC needs to be improved.

And by doing this you will only alienate or ban even more players, turning it into an even smaller elitist cesspool who can't support the game or get new players in because of the culture of the player base.

Good business plan right there.

Edited by Kjudoon, 02 February 2015 - 07:46 AM.

[Torgun]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 07:42 AM, said:

Buy a second mech.

This is pointless, all I'm saying is CoC needs to be improved to change the current loopholes where really horrible gameplay is considered 100% correct. Agree or disagree, I don't care. That's all I have to say, since all you do is come with totally pointless suggestions.

[Insects]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 07:05 AM, said:

"Beloved KDR"... wow... what a dead horse that belief is. Nobody protects that worthless stat... wait... do you?

In either this or the other thread going on this topic the original poster actually admitted they hide/powerdown in order to boost their KDR because they have a personal mission to achieve 1/1 on every mech.
So yes people do care and do powerdown until timeout for that reason.

There are two different issues being mixed up in these topics.
A - Hiding/Powerdown with no further intention to fight until timeout.
B - Sneaking around while still trying to sting the enemy, may involve short powerdowns but the objective is to sneak up for a shot on enemy.

Edited by joelmuzz, 02 February 2015 - 07:53 AM.

[Torgun]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

And by this you will only alienate or ban even more players, turning it into an even smaller elitist cesspool who can't support the game.

It has nothing to do with elitist and all to do about actually actively playing the game when you're uh... playing a game.

Edited by Torgun, 02 February 2015 - 07:47 AM.

[Kjudoon]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

This is pointless, all I'm saying is CoC needs to be improved to change the current loopholes where really horrible gameplay is considered 100% correct. Agree or disagree, I don't care. That's all I have to say, since all you do is come with totally pointless suggestions.

No. It ends all the excuses about "locking" mechs instantly. Get another mech and play with it too. You have no reason to complain about a long match. Drop out, get into your next mech and roll on... nearly guaranteed you won't have that last guy who's upsetting you in the next match.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:43 AM, said:

Yeah but you think this should be fine however many decide to do exactly that? Because I sure don't, and that's why CoC needs to be improved.

Improved yes, However CoC should not limit how players choose to play the game to much, I don't want to NEED a second computer running just to be sure I'm not breaking some stupid rule designed so lil Billy can feel good about himself. I play the game to have MY fun, I expect players to play the game to have THEIR fun. Our fun will not always be the same, and I am respectful enough to allow you to have your fun, even when it is contrast to me having mine.

[Kjudoon]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

It has nothing to do with elitist and all to do about actually actively playing the game when you're uh... playing a game.

You want to ban people who are playing the way they want to and bothers you. that's elitist.

[Insects]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 07:42 AM, said:

Buy a second mech, more engines, more modules or whatever else you need to just leave match and hop back and forth between the two.

Its what I do, however its not perfect because switching mechs can upset the mojo of really getting tuned into that one mechs behavior.
I can understand why people would rather not do it.

Plus you dont get to see the final scores.

You also stop getting assists as far as I know? However that is irrelevant if someone is powered down, they wont be getting any more kills anyway.

[Torgun]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 07:48 AM, said:

Improved yes, However CoC should not limit how players choose to play the game to much, I don't want to NEED a second computer running just to be sure I'm not breaking some stupid rule designed so lil Billy can feel good about himself. I play the game to have MY fun, I expect players to play the game to have THEIR fun. Our fun will not always be the same, and I am respectful enough to allow you to have your fun, even when it is contrast to me having mine.

The problem that you don't see is that what is considered the allowed way to have fun is simply how the CoC is written. I mean if I take an extreme example, if team kills were allowed, then I'm sure you might think your fun would be somewhat limited while people that love to troll would have tons of fun. It's all how the CoC is worded, and right now it's too loosely worded to be rid of some seriously bad gameplay.

Edited by Torgun, 02 February 2015 - 07:56 AM.

[Torgun]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 07:48 AM, said:

You want to ban people who are playing the way they want to and bothers you. that's elitist.

Running away and hiding in a game that is focused on actually destroying the opposition is bad gameplay and should be restricted. Just because I think something is wrong does not make me elitist, that's just your view on my opinion.

[Aethon]

If the last guy is still engaging the enemy, I keep my mouth shut and let him do his thing. I also keep my mouth shut if it is Assault, Conquest or CW, for obvious reasons.

However, if he runs off to the corner of the map and shuts down during a Skirmish match, I *will* tell them where he is, because he has ceased doing anything at all, save for wasting everyone else's time. No, not just mine; there are over 20 people sitting there, waiting on this to die, or for the counter to run down, before they get their mechs back. When you are trying to master your mechs, this gets especially frustrating.

The only reason I could have justified this in the past is now gone: we have no repair/rearm costs. It literally costs nothing to lose your mech in this game, or to expend extra ammunition. It hurts nothing but one's pride,

In other words, they need to grow a spine and go engage the enemy. If they were afraid to lose their mech, they should not have joined a battle in the first place.

Edited by Aethon, 02 February 2015 - 01:51 PM.