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[BourbonFaucet]

One time I nearly got reported for shutting down in my Misery when it was just me and another guy in a raven. I was cored, true, but I was waiting by our base in assault (this was before turrets), and the map was caustic, giving me all those buildings for cover.

Sure enough the raven showed up to cap the point, and I powered up, then killed it with my AC/20. The point being that if my team had given away my position, we'd have lost.

[MonochromeGoat]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

If I was rich Working would be a waste of time. Recreation is a time filling endeavor and therefore in a finite definition wasting time that could be used to do something constructive or helpful.

I'll play your card and say 'who are you to tell me how i should spend my time and that i'm wasting my time by doing what i like'.

Also, most matches end in less than 7 minutes.If everybody around you is dead and you aren't even near the enemy, you probably weren't supporting your team.Carry harder, end of discussion.

Edited by MonochromeGoat, 02 February 2015 - 08:35 AM.

[Torgun]

Techorse, on 02 February 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

One time I nearly got reported for shutting down in my Misery when it was just me and another guy in a raven. I was cored, true, but I was waiting by our base in assault (this was before turrets), and the map was caustic, giving me all those buildings for cover.

Sure enough the raven showed up to cap the point, and I powered up, then killed it with my AC/20. The point being that if my team had given away my position, we'd have lost.

Your example doesn't highlight the issue we're discussing here though. You had a fair shot to win the match. We're discussing matches where someone run off with hardly any weapons or all out of ammo, has no chance whatsoever to win the match and then spend all the time powered down and hiding. That's another situation entirely.

[Joseph Mallan]

MonochromeGoat, on 02 February 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

I'll play your card and say 'who are you to tell me how i should spend my time and that i'm wasting my time by doing what i like'.

Also, most matches end in less 7 minutes.If everybody around you is dead and you aren't even near the enemy, you probably weren't supporting your team.Carry harder, end of discussion.

Im not. I have not told you do anything. You died. No you chose to stay in the match for what ever reason/excuse you choose to cling to. I am not making you stay in the match, I have not blocked your keyboard or mouse. YOU are wasting your time sitting watching me play. Its all on You, I'M still playing the game.

Also IF I am still alive and you are dead... I'm Still Carrying You! Would you like to try another approach?

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 02 February 2015 - 08:37 AM.

[Ratpoison]

MonochromeGoat, on 02 February 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

I'll play your card and say 'who are you to tell me how i should spend my time and that i'm wasting my time by doing what i like'.

Also, most matches end in less than 7 minutes.If everybody around you is dead and you aren't even near the enemy, you probably weren't supporting your team.Carry harder, end of discussion.

You agreed to 15 minutes, you don't get to take that away just because you failed and got rolled without hardly any effort.

[Bhael Fire]

A surrender option would be nice; quick way to bow out of the game and preserve KDR at the expense of forfeiting some of your earnings for the match. Captured enemies would count as a new stat or perhaps c-bill bonus per captured player.

[MonochromeGoat]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:

Also IF I am still alive and you are dead... I'm Still Carrying You! Would you like to try another approach?

Explain to me how is hiding and refusing to fight at all (outside conquest) 'carrying'.Explain, i'm questioning stuff here.
You people keep saying 'you commit to 15 minutes', but miss the whole point of the discussion.That's another whole problem.

[Triskelion]

MonochromeGoat, on 02 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

Explain to me how is hiding and refusing to fight at all (outside conquest) 'carrying'.Explain, i'm questioning stuff here.
You people keep saying 'you commit to 15 minutes', but miss the whole point of the discussion.That's another whole problem.

That's not what they're talking about, at all.

Nobody is defending AFKers, or people that get in a corner and power down and disconnect. That's not fun, and nobody likes those people.

This thread is about defending people who still stay active after their team dies. This is about people that may seem like they have no chance, but can still have an impact in a more favorable position.


Please try reading next time.

Edited by Triskelion, 02 February 2015 - 08:46 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

MonochromeGoat, on 02 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

Explain to me how is hiding and refusing to fight at all (outside conquest) 'carrying'.Explain, i'm questioning stuff here.
You people keep saying 'you commit to 15 minutes', but miss the whole point of the discussion.That's another whole problem.

It is keeping the enemy from even more spoils and reward money. The Match is 15 minutes OR until the last enemy dies OR Primary Objective is fulfilled. That is 3 specifics of the game. One does not have to die, for the game to be won.

[MonochromeGoat]

Triskelion, on 02 February 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

That's not what they're talking about, at all.

Nobody is defending AFKers, or people that get in a corner and power down and disconnect. That's not fun, and nobody likes those people.

This thread is about defending people who still stay active after their team dies. This is about people that may seem like they have no chance, but can still have an impact in a more favorable position.


Please try reading next time.

For the past 10 pages we talked about people that refuse to fight, which is what this other ***** are defending.Do you know how to read?

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

It is keeping the enemy from even more spoils and reward money. The Match is 15 minutes OR until the last enemy dies OR Primary Objective is fulfilled. That is 3 specifics of the game. One does not have to die, for the game to be won.

In that case, why aren't we making a thread to talk about a surrender option.

[Joseph Mallan]

Triskelion, on 02 February 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

That's not what they're talking about, at all.

Nobody is defending AFKers, or people that get in a corner and power down and disconnect. That's not fun, and nobody likes those people.

This thread is about defending people who still stay active after their team dies. This is about people that may seem like they have no chance, but can still have an impact in a more favorable position.


Please try reading next time.

Actually I am defending teh play who as the last Mech alive goes and Hides. So long as he played the game with intent while teh team was alive. It is not MY way of playing as My KDr proves. BUt I do not see how the dead can have a say in how the living continues to play. They are alive they are carrying us. IF I want to get to a different match I quit and grab another mech.

[Triskelion]

MonochromeGoat, on 02 February 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

For the past 10 pages we talked about people that refuse to fight, which is what this other ***** are defending.Do you know how to read?

They haven't been. The past pages have been about people arguing in favor of people who have still done something, and participated. That's been very specific.

The people arguing against those people have been trying to say that people who are still playing after their team is dead are not participating. This is an idiotic concept.

[The Red Priest]

I only report someone's position for two reasons: If they're stripped, can't fight, and are running away/shut down, or if they're just shut down or hiding and having no intention of engaging the enemy at all.

[Lily from animove]

Tycho von Gagern, on 02 February 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

If you're spectating on a lone teammate who is trying to do anything (even hide and power-down) with more than 6 minutes left in the match, you're missing the point.

The question isn't "should I give away that last player's position?"

The questions you should be asking are "How did I get dusted so quickly? What did I do wrong? How can I become a better player so I don't get slaughtered in 8 minutes?"

And again you imply the palyer whoo died did soemthing wrong, or culd impove something, So what if 11 people just did a coordinated push to skirmish as it happens daily hundets of times, and they just failed by beign outgunned. but the last 12th guy just stood back now having 6 opponents and runs for the rest. Maybe that 12.th player could even be the tongue in the match having changed this. You create a very theooretical construct trying to tell soemoen he did something wrong, while this in rality is not the case. Yeah maybe he made the mistake and did not bring a FS9 "hitreg my ass" mode mech where he just is technically unhitable for the major of damage.

[Triskelion]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

Actually I am defending teh play who as the last Mech alive goes and Hides. So long as he played the game with intent while teh team was alive. It is not MY way of playing as My KDr proves. BUt I do not see how the dead can have a say in how the living continues to play. They are alive they are carrying us. IF I want to get to a different match I quit and grab another mech.

You're defending people who have participated in the game. That's my issue with this thread in general.

People arguing for reporting the last people alive are talking about the specific situation in which somebody does nothing to assist the team, and powers down, AFKs, or disconnects.

People arguing again reporting the last people alive are talking about the specific situation in which somebody assists the team, and attempts to continue participating in the game after the team dies. This may mean powering down and waiting for a kill to walk around or running around in an attempt to catch somebody off-guard.



It's apples and oranges where half of the group is attempting to define an apple as an orange. It's painful to read.

[MonochromeGoat]

Triskelion, on 02 February 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

They haven't been. The past pages have been about people arguing in favor of people who have still done something, and participated. That's been very specific.

The people arguing against those people have been trying to say that people who are still playing after their team is dead are not participating. This is an idiotic concept.

Other thing you skipped.We also talked about how flawed the CoC is.

As it was explained many times before.If 11 people on your team died and you aren't even near the enemy, the fault of them dying is also on you.If that happens, you didn't exactly 'contribute'.

Edited by MonochromeGoat, 02 February 2015 - 08:54 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

MonochromeGoat, on 02 February 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

For the past 10 pages we talked about people that refuse to fight, which is what this other ***** are defending.Do you know how to read?



In that case, why aren't we making a thread to talk about a surrender option.

Its been proplsed. and I have liked the proposal. I will absolutely dig in my sizable heels when I see a group of people saying "if you are not playing my way, you are wrong."Bullying 101.

The person played, Did damage, and out lived the ones complaining. They really do need to be better or be quiet.

I also recommended to just submit a ticket. PGI will determine if Lil Billy is playing "wrong".

[Triskelion]

MonochromeGoat, on 02 February 2015 - 08:52 AM, said:

Other thing you skipped.We also talked about how flawed the CoC is.

No,

You talked about how the CoC is unclear.

It's extremely clear, this has been beaten to death. This thread doesn't need to exist, and it only does because some people don't agree with the rules currently laid out.

Participating in the game? No report. No participating? Report. It's bloody simple. Your definition of participation is irrelevant.

Edited by Triskelion, 02 February 2015 - 08:54 AM.

[RG Notch]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

What makes your line of thinking elitist is you wanting to take away someone else's idea of how to play the game. Because YOU are right. You want grey separated into black and white.

Question, Who are you to tell me how I am supposed to play this game I spend my money on??

So a free to play player can be told how to play?

[MonochromeGoat]

Triskelion, on 02 February 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

Participating in the game? No report. No participating? Report. It's bloody simple. Your definition of participation is irrelevant.

If you are 3 km away from the action, where your team is getting slaughtered while you scratch the toenails of the enemy because that's 'how you do it', you aren't contributing.