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[Valar13]

Davers, on 13 February 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

I cannot think of anything worse than being burdened by "allies" like Davion and Steiner.

If Marik chose to fight Kurita for the Wormhole, then let's not muddy the waters with comments like "Kurita's lack of commitment to fighting the Clans" or "It's not about the nSL. Oh by the way, the nSL means Kurita is attacking our ally Davion".

I honestly thought we had more respect for our erstwhile allies than to bandy about forum posts like these.

That bit about the alliances is, of course, your opinion, and it doesn't represent everyone. I'm not the only one with misgivings about present company. I'm still new here, and I will defer to whatever decision we make as a faction, but I would personally prefer alliances and associations with people whose skill averages out to "average" but display decency and character than people whose overall skill level is "above average," but lack the latter two. Maybe that just represents personality differences between you and I.

Tl;dr: I respect your opinion but I disagree.


Also, I do take issue with how you do seem to want to hamstring the nSL, which at a rough tally most of Marik is at least conditionally in favor of. It *is* something bigger than any one person, in spite of what the detractors claim, because it's not just some RP circle-jerk- its real-life purpose was to improve morale the player bases in hard-hit factions. And it has worked wonders at that. Look to the FRR for proof. They have told us as much directly. "We had all but given up" "The Star League has revitalized the FRR"

It's not about us. It's not about them. It's about taking a system that encourages isolationism and selfishness and turning it on its head to do something good for others simply because we are in a position to do it.

Edited by Valar13, 13 February 2015 - 10:58 AM.

[Musashi Alexander]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 February 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

Fine.


Die miserable fed rats, and pink pigeons too if you choose to stand against us. Your miserable forces will bow to the power of the Dragon.

Thanks for enriching my gaming experience Gasguzzler.

[MischiefSC]

Davers, on 13 February 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

I cannot think of anything worse than being burdened by "allies" like Davion and Steiner.

If Marik chose to fight Kurita for the Wormhole, then let's not muddy the waters with comments like "Kurita's lack of commitment to fighting the Clans" or "It's not about the nSL. Oh by the way, the nSL means Kurita is attacking our ally Davion".

I honestly thought we had more respect for our erstwhile allies than to bandy about forum posts like these.

Davions border issues are Davions alone. Nobody else is going to fix them for us. If Marik has issues with Kurita that is and should be based on their opinions of Kurita and how Kurita has handled their Clan border. My personal opinion is that Kurita is the only faction in the game to consistently say 'Bah, you don't know how HARD it is having a Clan border' to run away from fighting the Clans.

Repeatedly.

Davion fought Marik hard for a long time and won a big stretch of it. We had days of 60+ Davions vs 24 Mariks but they kept showing up, doubled down on their GIT GUD and worked to fill their ranks up. Marik doesn't run when things get tough. I'm 100% on board with the Great Wall of Space Bacon. I trust Marik to go all in.

[Stealth Raptor]

there is no point fighting a war where you win 75%+ percent of your games and still lose a planet without gaining any simply due to the bad mechanics of cw. as long as the higher numbers force attack games there is no reason to fight on the clan border. since the mercs have been here it has been nice to be able to drop on the clan border and have your attacks mean something (i know twice the drop i was apart of was the win that clinched an attack or a defense of a planet) but we all know that mercs are transitory and as soon as they leave we wont be able to stop the numbers again.

[Valar13]

Valar13, on 13 February 2015 - 10:46 AM, said:

That bit about the alliances is, of course, your opinion, and it doesn't represent everyone. I'm not the only one with misgivings about present company. I'm still new here, and I will defer to whatever decision we make as a faction, but I would personally prefer alliances and associations with people whose skill averages out to "average" but display decency and character than people whose overall skill level is "above average," but lack the latter two. Maybe that just represents personality differences between you and I.

Tl;dr: I respect your opinion but I disagree.


Also, I do take issue with how you do seem to want to hamstring the nSL, which at a rough tally most of Marik is at least conditionally in favor of. It *is* something bigger than any one person, in spite of what the detractors claim, because it's not just some RP circle-jerk- its real-life purpose was to improve morale the player bases in hard-hit factions. And it has worked wonders at that. Look to the FRR for proof. They have told us as much directly. "We had all but given up" "The Star League has revitalized the FRR"

It's not about us. It's not about them. It's about taking a system that encourages isolationism and selfishness and turning it on its head to do something good for others simply because we are in a position to do it.

Maybe that's heavy-handed idealism with zero place in a video game, but maybe you can't fundamentally change the person you are just because it's not real, either.

[Davers]

Valar13, on 13 February 2015 - 10:46 AM, said:

That bit about the alliances is, of course, your opinion, and it doesn't represent everyone. I'm not the only one with misgivings about present company. I'm still new here, and I will defer to whatever decision we make as a faction, but I would personally prefer alliances and associations with people whose skill averages out to "average" but display decency and character than people whose overall skill level is "above average," but lack the latter two. Maybe that just represents personality differences between you and I.

Tl;dr: I respect your opinion but I disagree.

I prefer allies who don't sit around and bemoan how weak their faction is, while at the same time making threats about how everyone will "rue the day when they get their numbers back". When the game handed Kurita lemons, they froze them and threw them into Davion's face. I can respect that.

Personally, I like how NKVA posts, it's like watching the forum equivalent of a zerg rush.

But I do think some people on both sides might be getting a little too personal. It's just a game. A game where everyone gets to shoot Davions. See, everybody wins!

[Valar13]

Davers, on 13 February 2015 - 11:10 AM, said:

I prefer allies who don't sit around and bemoan how weak their faction is, while at the same time making threats about how everyone will "rue the day when they get their numbers back". When the game handed Kurita lemons, they froze them and threw them into Davion's face. I can respect that.

Personally, I like how NKVA posts, it's like watching the forum equivalent of a zerg rush.

But I do think some people on both sides might be getting a little too personal. It's just a game. A game where everyone gets to shoot Davions. See, everybody wins!

So Davion isn't allowed a little RP chest-beating, but NKVA is allowed to be nasty beyond reason or common decency to the point that it affects *others'* enjoyment of the game?

I freely admit my biases. Can you say the same?

Edited by Valar13, 13 February 2015 - 11:15 AM.

[An Anime Princess]

Valar13, on 13 February 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

So Davion isn't allowed a little RP chest-beating, but NKVA is allowed to be nasty beyond reason or common decency?

I freely admit my biases. Can you say the same?

actually let's revise this post: you are fast becoming more unpleasant than any of us, you should be proud.

Edited by An Anime Princess, 13 February 2015 - 11:17 AM.

[Valar13]

An Anime Princess, on 13 February 2015 - 11:15 AM, said:

We're funny, smart, family-having success-havers and you are an unbearable, lukewarm, unpleasant idiot student with no idea what is funny or good in life.

Read: I actually have friends outside my echo-chamber MWO guild where we all get together to be bigger than we've ever been IRL because I'm not actually an insufferable douche.

Edited by Valar13, 13 February 2015 - 11:17 AM.

[Davers]

MischiefSC, on 13 February 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

Davions border issues are Davions alone. Nobody else is going to fix them for us. If Marik has issues with Kurita that is and should be based on their opinions of Kurita and how Kurita has handled their Clan border. My personal opinion is that Kurita is the only faction in the game to consistently say 'Bah, you don't know how HARD it is having a Clan border' to run away from fighting the Clans.

Repeatedly.

Davion fought Marik hard for a long time and won a big stretch of it. We had days of 60+ Davions vs 24 Mariks but they kept showing up, doubled down on their GIT GUD and worked to fill their ranks up. Marik doesn't run when things get tough. I'm 100% on board with the Great Wall of Space Bacon. I trust Marik to go all in.

Marik's strength is our tenacity. We may have come in 3rd (2nd?) in the Faction tournament, but we had 3x the number of drops of anyone else. We don't stop. We don't quit. Wasan broke Davion, but it just made us stronger.

Quis Habemus Servamus

[Valar13]

An Anime Princess, on 13 February 2015 - 11:15 AM, said:

actually let's revise this post: you are fast becoming more unpleasant than any of us, you should be proud.

If I'm negatively affecting your experience, I'm winning. Keep that in mind.

That is literally my singular goal here: to make things as unpleasant for you as you do for a large portion of the community, allied, enemy, or otherwise.

Edited by Valar13, 13 February 2015 - 11:19 AM.

[An Anime Princess]

Valar13, on 13 February 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

If I'm negatively affecting your experience, I'm winning. Keep that in mind.

That is literally my singular goal here: to make things as unpleasant for you as you do for a large portion of the community, allied, enemy, or otherwise.

nnnnope that's the wrong context of 'unpleasant' but it's a noble goal, should i expect you to just shoot me in the back if i ever see you again in public queue

[Valar13]

An Anime Princess, on 13 February 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

nnnnope that's the wrong context of 'unpleasant' but it's a noble goal, should i expect you to just shoot me in the back if i ever see you again in public queue

Probably not. There are certain things I won't do, and besides, that would stand a chance of ruining someone else's game experience.

[Valar13]

It just is what it is, you know? School gets in the way of idealistic IRL pursuits, so this community is a pet project for the moment. Maybe I am taking a game too seriously in this one case, but I honestly feel like your attitudes are a detriment to the community, and if I have to stoop near your level and make enemies to resist that, oh well. Maybe I can't change a thing, and maybe I'm an idiot to try. But I know of at least 3 people you inspired to quit MWO altogether and I'm not ok with that. Especially not when the community is already fairly niche and small.

Edited by Valar13, 13 February 2015 - 11:30 AM.

[MischiefSC]

Davers, on 13 February 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

Marik's strength is our tenacity. We may have come in 3rd (2nd?) in the Faction tournament, but we had 3x the number of drops of anyone else. We don't stop. We don't quit. Wasan broke Davion, but it just made us stronger.

Quis Habemus Servamus

Did it? I admit, from this vantage I'm not sure I can argue against that point. We won, consistently, until we didn't want to fight anymore. Marik never quit wanting to fight. That's a legit point.

Davion has its own issues that it'll work out. Perhaps the treadmill with Marik was a catalyst for that though.

Admittedly we are far, far better served by focusing on what the solution is than trying to pin down what went wrong.

Don't care if Kurita keeps coming at Davion. Marik is the only faction currently willing and able to keep us from having to see a mountain of shitposts from Clanners because they surrounded Terra.

Marikachu, I Choose You!

[Davers]

Valar13, on 13 February 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

So Davion isn't allowed a little RP chest-beating, but NKVA is allowed to be nasty beyond reason or common decency to the point that it affects *others'* enjoyment of the game?

I freely admit my biases. Can you say the same?

This whole forum is chest beating. The nSL seems like a lot of chest beating too. If NKVA's posts are affecting your enjoyment of the game, perhaps you should look at other threads? I've already stated my opinion that people were getting a little too personal on both sides.

My biases? I hate Davion and Steiner. Not the players mind you, just the Factions. I don't like how their filthy blue and yellow borders rub against our magnificent purple.

[Valar13]

Davers, on 13 February 2015 - 11:34 AM, said:

This whole forum is chest beating. The nSL seems like a lot of chest beating too. If NKVA's posts are affecting your enjoyment of the game, perhaps you should look at other threads? I've already stated my opinion that people were getting a little too personal on both sides.

My biases? I hate Davion and Steiner. Not the players mind you, just the Factions. I don't like how their filthy blue and yellow borders rub against our magnificent purple.

Well, Davers, there will be a time and a place to make the Inner Sphere start wearing purple for us.

It's just not *now*

And yes, I just Gogol Bordello'd your asses.

Also, it's not my enjoyment per se. I can take just about anything you can sling across a computer screen.

What I take issue with is new players being told they suck and/or need to "get good" and/or "stop sucking" and/or are "the worst players in the game"

I guess I have the most nauseating flaw one can have over the internet: giving too much of a damn about too many things. If it gets on people's nerves, they are free to not associate with me.

[RjBass3]

MischiefSC, on 13 February 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

If Marik has issues with Kurita that is and should be based on their opinions of Kurita and how Kurita has handled their Clan border.

Wow, you are really giving Kurita a lot there. Fact is, Kurita has not handled their clan border. Look at the map. ;-)

[MischiefSC]

Been handled by their Clan borders?

[Dimento Graven]

Stealth Raptor, on 13 February 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

there is no point fighting a war where you win 75%+ percent of your games and still lose a planet without gaining any simply due to the bad mechanics of cw. as long as the higher numbers force attack games there is no reason to fight on the clan border. since the mercs have been here it has been nice to be able to drop on the clan border and have your attacks mean something (i know twice the drop i was apart of was the win that clinched an attack or a defense of a planet) but we all know that mercs are transitory and as soon as they leave we wont be able to stop the numbers again.

This really made me laugh... For reasons so obviously hypocritical there's no need to even write them...