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[Alienized]

Kjudoon, on 21 February 2015 - 02:20 AM, said:

Being awesome is an "issue"?

well... FRR are awesome, mariks not :S

[Kjudoon]

Alienized, on 21 February 2015 - 02:28 AM, said:

well... FRR are awesome, mariks not :S

I'm Seraphim. My home is Marik Space and it will always be 'home', but many of the guys are loving it here too because they know how to treat people trying to help them.

Edited by Kjudoon, 21 February 2015 - 02:54 AM.

[Alienized]

Kjudoon, on 21 February 2015 - 02:54 AM, said:

I'm Seraphim. My home is Marik Space and it will always be 'home', but many of the guys are loving it here too because they know how to treat people trying to help them.

i dont have a home atm =/ but marik would be the second last place i wanted to be last one would be Liao
im not liking civil wars that much

[Thorn Hallis]

MischiefSC, on 20 February 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

Same argument as saying Clanners should never take stormcrows or timber wolves. You would if you could. The only reason liao didn't bury the Davion border was that they couldn't. You pretend your pugs didn't get rolled by 12mans just like your 12mans rolled our pugs to sooth your egos. Okay. I get that. Numbers are an advantage liao uses just like Kurita and Davion and any group that has them. We just don't ***** about it. We may bemoan our recent population drop but we don't ***** at Liao about it. You had more people to put there.

Well, I am the PUG that didn't got rolled by FS 12 mans.

You know what the difference is? We don't gloat about kicking your teeth (well, at least not the same amount as you do), even though we have plenty of reasons to do so.

[Kjudoon]

Alienized, on 21 February 2015 - 02:56 AM, said:

i dont have a home atm =/ but marik would be the second last place i wanted to be last one would be Liao
im not liking civil wars that much

Oh you people. Always keeping your sense of adventure with your sense of self preservation.

hmph.

[Alienized]

Kjudoon, on 21 February 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

Oh you people. Always keeping your sense of adventure with your sense of self preservation.

hmph.

x) im just waiting for a real civil war to kickoff and fight for Duke Hasek

[MischiefSC]

Thorn Hallis, on 21 February 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

Well, I am the PUG that didn't got rolled by FS 12 mans.

You know what the difference is? We don't gloat about kicking your teeth (well, at least not the same amount as you do), even though we have plenty of reasons to do so.

You should see the drops we do. People gloat when they win. There are multiple threads just talking about Liao beating Davion. I'm not complaining about that -

Just pointing out that this absurd attitude of 'when you won it was cheating and you were terrible, but when we win doing the same thing and saying the same stuff it's totally different' is what needs mocked.

Davion beat Liao with the best tactics it had and it won matches the same way Liao wins matches. Generally with the largest organized unit being the driving force for the win, especially against pugs. We certainly talked some trash but also were big on trying to find a solution for Liao. Whole threads on it. These generally got shot down. Now Davion is down and Liao is nibbling away, winning with the same tactics and for the same reasons Davion was winning before and talking much the same trash, only with this false air of moral high-ground.

Game started, pretty much everyone fought. Davion won for a good while. Liao is in a crappy map position and suggestions were made on fixing that and shot down. Now Liao is winning vs Davion. Good on you; if we don't show or carry hard enough that's our issue. At some point that will turn around again. Are you guys going to go back to saying it's totally unfair?

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

MischiefSC, on 21 February 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Just pointing out that this absurd attitude of 'when you won it was cheating and you were terrible, but when we win doing the same thing and saying the same stuff it's totally different' is what needs mocked.

*SNIP*

At some point that will turn around again. Are you guys going to go back to saying it's totally unfair?

It should be noted that some of us never complained.

For myself, my enmity and derision became justified when Davion command threw that "unfair" word at us. If you read the text logs of the negotiations, it's easy to see who the spoiled brat kids are.

[Thorn Hallis]

MischiefSC, on 21 February 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Just pointing out that this absurd attitude of 'when you won it was cheating and you were terrible, but when we win doing the same thing and saying the same stuff it's totally different' is what needs mocked.

You see, the difference is that I don't deny that ghost drop happened and that planets were capped because of that.

[MischiefSC]

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 21 February 2015 - 11:10 AM, said:

It should be noted that some of us never complained.

For myself, my enmity and derision became justified when Davion command threw that "unfair" word at us. If you read the text logs of the negotiations, it's easy to see who the spoiled brat kids are.

Wasn't there for the discussion and, well, it's not my call. Given that the best units in Liao made it clear they had no interest in anything that involved a ceasefire with Davion I can appreciate where most discussions of peace would have fallen apart.

Thorn Hallis, on 21 February 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

You see, the difference is that I don't deny that ghost drop happened and that planets were capped because of that.

Good on you. Please teach classes.

The really big difference is that in the end the Davion/Liao border isn't relevant. Populations will shift and it'll wiggle back and forth. Do you really think that Davion is going to lose 300+ more worlds before another 20 or so people (which is enough right now, we're at 100+ on peak) come back and it starts swinging the other way again?

I'd rather that Liao had a means and an opportunity to participate in the larger game. Pugging on the Clan border is quite possibly the biggest waste of time that MW:O has to offer. There needs to be some option for Liao outside of that and the Davion border. It's not the magical 'stackpole' effect. More than half of the players in MW:O anymore know nothing of the lore and care even less. It's that you're stuck in a corner.

**** game design is ****. Needs to be a 3rd option.

[LoklanZFG]

MischiefSC, on 21 February 2015 - 11:42 AM, said:

I'd rather that Liao had a means and an opportunity to participate in the larger game. Pugging on the Clan border is quite possibly the biggest waste of time that MW:O has to offer. There needs to be some option for Liao outside of that and the Davion border. It's not the magical 'stackpole' effect. More than half of the players in MW:O anymore know nothing of the lore and care even less. It's that you're stuck in a corner.

**** game design is ****. Needs to be a 3rd option.

I'm not gonna call their game design bad, it is still beta after all. But I couldn't agree more that it would be much better if ALL Inner Sphere factions had an option to attack the clans somewhere. When you have a 12 man group on in TS and there is no action on your border down there in the southern houses, attacking is the way to get matches unless you want to go defend someone else. And 12 mans attacking are the only way to initiate action on a planet, unless a bunch of pugs miraculously queue at the same place.

Some mechanic that would allow southerners to participate in offensives against the clans when they want to without having to move a whole unit to another faction would do a lot of good for IS relations

Edited by LoklanZFG, 21 February 2015 - 06:09 PM.

[MischiefSC]

LoklanZFG, on 21 February 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

I'm not gonna call their game design bad, it is still beta after all. But I couldn't agree more that it would be much better if ALL Inner Sphere factions had an option to attack the clans somewhere. When you have a 12 man group on in TS and there is no action on your border down there in the southern houses, attacking is the way to get matches unless you want to go defend someone else. And 12 mans attacking are the only way to initiate action on a planet, unless a bunch of pugs miraculously queue at the same place.

Some mechanic that would allow southerners to participate in offensives against the clans when they want to without having to move a whole unit to another faction would do a lot of good for IS relations

One solution I disliked at first but am reconsidering is to have the Clans spread around the outside of the IS. Each Clan has two IS borders.

I realize TEH LOREZ. I *still play* Mechwarrior tabletop with some friends sometimes.

With 3 worlds per day per border turnable having multiple borders gives you an attraction and opportunities that having only 1 or 2 possible borders just doesn't. Liao is never going to have a Clan front. They get to skirmish with two huge neighbors with 350-400 worlds each, of which they'd need to take 200+ to get a border with another faction.

In the end it is game design.There have been a lot of compromises made. Ghost Heat for example. There is no way you can tell me that some other option for Liao, be that moving Clan invasion corridors or some 'faction perk' that lets them open new fronts similar to the 'wormhole' that Marik ended up with isn't a better game design decision than Ghost Heat and no less a blind eye to 'lore' than Ghost Heat or Clan balancing was.

[An Anime Princess]

MischiefSC, on 21 February 2015 - 11:42 AM, said:

There needs to be some option for Liao outside of that and the Davion border. [...] **** game design is ****. Needs to be a 3rd option.

yeah, i don't think you'll find many disagreeing here. i know all the clans came from the (relative) north but wasn't there some discussion in this thread or another about the idea of them coming from the outside of each great house's territory? the southern houses really are left kind of hands-in-pockets from the whole situation but I guess for those who want some juicy inter-clan strife that also limits their choices early on.

edit: lol i guess we were thinking the same thing at the same time.

Edited by An Anime Princess, 21 February 2015 - 07:17 PM.

[Sandersson Jankins]

I would like to see some sort of long-range dropship option for southern IS houses wishing to bring the fight to clan worlds. Maybe the funds need to come out of unit coffers, or even on an individual basis. It'd be silly to make the option to go anywhere on the map free; in fact, it might need to be somewhat prohibitively expensive.

I just think it'd be neat if it was possible that some Draconis unit could cough up enough shekels to assist FRR in attacks, for example. Maybe you'd need to get a certain amount of loyalty points to "acquisition a dropship from command" or something.

Just a thought.

[Maxwell Albritten]

An Anime Princess, on 21 February 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

yeah, i don't think you'll find many disagreeing here. i know all the clans came from the (relative) north but wasn't there some discussion in this thread or another about the idea of them coming from the outside of each great house's territory?

I hope they never do that. If I wanted to fight clans I would stayed in FRR which I originally was. When I saw that they failed to implement clan tech in a non-game breaking fashion I switched to Liao for the SPECIFIC purpose of not fighting clan tech.

[ShinVector]

Maxwell Albritten, on 21 February 2015 - 11:08 PM, said:

I hope they never do that. If I wanted to fight clans I would stayed in FRR which I originally was. When I saw that they failed to implement clan tech in a non-game breaking fashion I switched to Liao for the SPECIFIC purpose of not fighting clan tech.

What game breaking fashion do you mean ? Just wondering.

[wanderer]

And perhaps, some of us are happily Liao because all we wanted to do was kick Davions in the teeth until one day, New Avalon is ripe for conquest.

Keep saying it doesn't matter, all the way up to the moment where a long string of Capellan victories are drawn in unit names from Sian to the Periphery edge of the ex-Federated Suns. Please, tell me it'll be a nigh-impossible effort.

Stoke my desire to achieve the supposedly impossible dream. I did it once with trickery. Nothing would please me more than to see it happen simply through the hard work of everyone who, for whatever reason would like to see the Suns burned away.

One of the people I was helping swat aside PL and the Davions with enough spirit to actually fight back on Sirdar made a joke that perhaps if Kurita got to New Avalon first, they'd like it so much they'd make it the capitol of the Combine.

Shortly afterwards, I heard Luthien had come under assault. Perhaps they will.

[Crockdaddy]

wanderer, on 21 February 2015 - 11:54 PM, said:

And perhaps, some of us are happily Liao because all we wanted to do was kick Davions in the teeth until one day, New Avalon is ripe for conquest.

Keep saying it doesn't matter, all the way up to the moment where a long string of Capellan victories are drawn in unit names from Sian to the Periphery edge of the ex-Federated Suns. Please, tell me it'll be a nigh-impossible effort.

Stoke my desire to achieve the supposedly impossible dream. I did it once with trickery. Nothing would please me more than to see it happen simply through the hard work of everyone who, for whatever reason would like to see the Suns burned away.

One of the people I was helping swat aside PL and the Davions with enough spirit to actually fight back on Sirdar made a joke that perhaps if Kurita got to New Avalon first, they'd like it so much they'd make it the capitol of the Combine.

Shortly afterwards, I heard Luthien had come under assault. Perhaps they will.

Just some food for thought for our friends in LIAO.

http://mwomercs.com/...iations-failed/

[SteelWarrior]

Further proof of Davions treachery

[LoklanZFG]

Well, maybe we will get lucky and drop against RJ. So his stream viewers can see us beat him down some more, only this time with blue UI!

but hey, he's just solo dropping. Pry just bored and wanted in on the first ever capital planet battle in CW history. Can't say I blame him, its been an epic night

Edited by LoklanZFG, 22 February 2015 - 04:30 AM.