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#101 Gas Guzzler

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 09:52 AM

View PostUite Dauphni, on 20 February 2015 - 06:02 AM, said:

Okay, I'll admit the mercs we sent you did liberate some worlds for Kurita, but you can hardly take credit for that.


Actually there were several occasions where in the the last 10-15 minutes before ceasefire, 2-3 HK 12 mans dropped on those worlds to tip the scale, often times if we hadn't the planet would not have been taken.

Of course, we didn't feel we had to advertise this to the Free Worlds Police and since we just dropped in at the end to flip the planet, often with more then one unit, none of our tags showed up. Not that the mercs did not play a large part, but to say we did nothing is not true.

#102 Abivard

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 03:27 PM

View PostWingbreaker, on 20 February 2015 - 05:36 AM, said:



I mean, I suppose in theory that works, but in practice if you haven't got your own cooridor secured, you're only looking for trouble. Both with the algorithim and with any of your neighbors who think they might nibble at you too. And then, well, you've got problems, because you probably can't hold together enough 12 mans to roll them back.

Then, like I said, the algorithim can really **** you over if you attack and let someone take your planet at the same time. You start getting pockets in your space, and eventually it just rolls back to those attack points that they just took.

Beyond that, there's the population factors. When you make an attack, you're facing whatever that faction wants to send at you. Granted, most of your experience is likely only with inner-sphere units. But it's a real surprise to some factions when they think "Oh, CJF is a small faction, we'll attack them!" And run into a Steel Jag 12 man because they roused the clan defense.

When you're hitting your defense markers, you have the real option of splitting your best players off to pug whisper, as long as you're sure you're not going to end up lined up against a comp team.

In all, it's just...better to keep your defenses up. That being said, there is something to be said for completely forcing a team to ghost drop. It's boring as **** to run those 80-110 minutes, and there's nothing saying they aren't just going to zerg your CAs down.


What you are failing to over look is the IS has two parts, where the clan doesn't, If the Northern Houses attack clan worlds, and the Southern Houses defend against Clan attacks, the Clans tend to lose ground and not gain any.

This would be the ideal scenario IF the IS Factions would all work together against the Clans, however this scenario is like the "Perfect Plan" it is a myth that can never be attained.

So what we need is just a good plan, and devote ourselves fully to it, so we get as close as we can to Perfect, while knowing we will never BE perfect.

#103 Nightmare1

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 03:28 PM

Saw that one coming.

Alliances in a video game's Beta stage? When all anyone really wants to do is shoot stuff up? You didn't actually think it would last, did you? :lol:

#104 Benjamin Davion

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 03:38 PM

As the leader of that HeadHunters 12-man, I was absolutely appalled at how that turn of events turned out. We held off 4 successive waves of Jaguars, slaughtering every one of them, only to find that suddenly the Snakes were assaulting our border. We were dying for their border, while they were attacking us.

#105 BlakeAteIt

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 03:51 PM

Aww, are Red and Purple no longer friends?

Bummer. Which one is leaving the Star League? It's them, right?

#106 The Droid

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 03:52 PM

View PostBlakeAteIt, on 20 February 2015 - 03:51 PM, said:

Aww, are Red and Purple no longer friends?

Bummer. Which one is leaving the Star League? It's them, right?

House Kurita never joined the Star League, and it is largely believed that is why certain elements of the Marik High Command wish to pursue war against the noble Draconis Combine, out of pettiness.

Edited by The Droid, 20 February 2015 - 03:54 PM.


#107 wanderer

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 03:53 PM

"I want you to remember that no ******* ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb ******* die for his country. "

-George C. Scott (misattributed often to the historical George S. Patton)

#108 Hydrocarbon

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 04:03 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 19 February 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

it was demonstrated that Marik has no control over mercs that join the faction and do whatever they wish.


View PostGas Guzzler, on 19 February 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

it was demonstrated that Marik has no control over mercs that join the faction and do whatever they wish.


View PostGas Guzzler, on 19 February 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

it was demonstrated that Marik has no control over mercs that join the faction and do whatever they wish.



And just in case you didn't want to read any of the above:

View PostGas Guzzler, on 19 February 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

it was demonstrated that Marik has no control over mercs that join the faction and do whatever they wish.


#109 Prophetic

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 04:06 PM

View PostHydrocarbon, on 20 February 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

And just in case you didn't want to read any of the above:



#110 BlakeAteIt

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 04:11 PM

But how can y'all be at war? The two factions don't share a boarder anymore (gj on that!). That's like the floor being mad at the ceiling.

Edited by BlakeAteIt, 20 February 2015 - 04:11 PM.


#111 wanderer

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 04:29 PM

I fully expect Marik will attempt to (without resistance) take worlds from Davion until they have a border again.

At this point, we have one side with a serious case of the "they mad"-s, and and the other happy to be scrappy.

Heck, Davion would probably hand them the corridor if they could, just to get their two worst enemies fighting each other.

#112 Wingbreaker

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 04:39 PM

View PostAbivard, on 20 February 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:


What you are failing to over look is the IS has two parts, where the clan doesn't, If the Northern Houses attack clan worlds, and the Southern Houses defend against Clan attacks, the Clans tend to lose ground and not gain any.

This would be the ideal scenario IF the IS Factions would all work together against the Clans, however this scenario is like the "Perfect Plan" it is a myth that can never be attained.

So what we need is just a good plan, and devote ourselves fully to it, so we get as close as we can to Perfect, while knowing we will never BE perfect.



No, I included that with the defense bit. While we don't have clans that are totally defensive-minded, due to population imbalances, it is effectively the same. Our defense vectors are handled generally, giving the lower population clan the help it needs against zerg fest 2015.

#113 BlakeAteIt

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 04:40 PM

If that happens, I can only imagine that the DC will be happy to try and get them a clan attack corridor again. That would be a... strange outcome.

#114 pwnface

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 05:25 PM

View Postwanderer, on 20 February 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

I fully expect Marik will attempt to (without resistance) take worlds from Davion until they have a border again.

At this point, we have one side with a serious case of the "they mad"-s, and and the other happy to be scrappy.

Heck, Davion would probably hand them the corridor if they could, just to get their two worst enemies fighting each other.


Have you seen where the Marik attack options against Davion are? With the wormhole closed, Marik will not be able to touch Kurita unless they rip Davion to shreds. If Davion wants to become half purple, that's up to them but I highly doubt any faction would let another faction do this to them. In fact, it is the exact same circumstance that caused Kurita to tell Marik STOP. Kurita was not going to let Marik take over half of our planets to reach the clans, letting an island float through turned out to be a pipe dream.

#115 Time Bandit

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 05:33 PM

View Postwanderer, on 20 February 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

"I want you to remember that no ******* ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb ******* die for his country. "

-George C. Scott (misattributed often to the historical George S. Patton)


You know, that speech was the very first thing that went through my mind when the words "Marik-Kurita War" were first sounded.

#116 Richter Kerensky

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 05:37 PM

View PostUite Dauphni, on 20 February 2015 - 06:02 AM, said:

Okay, I'll admit the mercs we sent you did liberate some worlds for Kurita, but you can hardly take credit for that.


Repeating something over and over does not make it true.

#117 Dauphni

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 01:48 AM

You're right, but the fact that's what actually happened does.

#118 Scoops Kerensky

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 02:24 AM

Arkab, 9SD and NS are mercs? News to me.

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 02:32 AM

View PostScoops Kerensky, on 21 February 2015 - 02:24 AM, said:

Arkab, 9SD and NS are mercs? News to me.


Technically NS are mercs :P

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#120 MischiefSC

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 09:56 AM

Arkab is a boss. I've dropped pug with them on the Kurita/CSJ border a couple of times. They know how to wrek Clanner face.

Maybe they should switch to FRR :P





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