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[Davers]

MischiefSC, on 24 February 2015 - 01:54 AM, said:

As people come to learn that from experience I think their willingness to create IS alliances vs the Clans will grow and inter-faction fights between the big IS factions will get more ritualized and limited.

So to beat the Clans, we have to become the Clans?

[YCSLiesmith]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 12:38 AM, said:

The nSL clearly isn't designed to end all IS vs IS warfare- or it would have already fallen apart.

It already has fallen apart. Davion is attacking steiner. Liao is attacking Davion. It was a stupid idea that died a dog's death.

Benjamin Davion, on 24 February 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

I don't have the time to read all 6 pages of this post, but I will say this: I have been one of the loudest advocates in the AFFS in support of the nSL and in support of an Inner Sphere truce to fight the clans, from DAY ONE. I've lead well over a dozen successful battles in defense against Clan Smoke Jaguar on the Kurita front, also fighting off Ghost Bear and Wolf in Rasalhague and Jade Falcon in Steiner. Twice, I have been fighting on the Kurita front, only to realize that Kurita pilots were streaming over Davion borders to the south. Since then, I will not fight to defend Kurita until something changes.

Further, the conduct of members of NKVA and other Kurita pilots has been so utterly deplorable as to render any meaningful dialogue pointless. I have respect for NS, 9SD, and other Kurita units I've encountered and have cultivated a diplomatic relationship with 9SD, but the behavior of groups like NKVA is a stain on the reputation of everyone who flies the Kurita flag.

The behavior of NKVA has been to own your whole faction up and down the map without any real challenge. Get on our level crybaby.

[Tasker]

Benjamin Davion, on 24 February 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

Further, the conduct of members of NKVA and other Kurita pilots has been so utterly deplorable as to render any meaningful dialogue pointless.

You have gall to insult own 12 man drop group in all chat, then complain about behavior of NKVA?

Very sad, Davion leadership. Throw own soldiers under bus, then back bus up over them while cry about NKVA.

Ha ha ha.

[Onionbird]

Benjamin Davion, on 24 February 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

I don't have the time to read all 6 pages of this post, but I will say this: I have been one of the loudest advocates in the AFFS in support of the nSL and in support of an Inner Sphere truce to fight the clans, from DAY ONE. I've lead well over a dozen successful battles in defense against Clan Smoke Jaguar on the Kurita front, also fighting off Ghost Bear and Wolf in Rasalhague and Jade Falcon in Steiner. Twice, I have been fighting on the Kurita front, only to realize that Kurita pilots were streaming over Davion borders to the south. Since then, I will not fight to defend Kurita until something changes.

Further, the conduct of members of NKVA and other Kurita pilots has been so utterly deplorable as to render any meaningful dialogue pointless. I have respect for NS, 9SD, and other Kurita units I've encountered and have cultivated a diplomatic relationship with 9SD, but the behavior of groups like NKVA is a stain on the reputation of everyone who flies the Kurita flag.

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I understand that you don't like us or our posting stance, but complaining to the DCMS high command will accomplish very little; Davion's/Marik's endless threatening to do so will accomplish even less. You can threaten to ghost cap our worlds, but that is also a non-factor for most of us. We're not -MS-: while we enjoy seeing our tag on various planets, until they have an actual in-game impact we ultimately do not care about the overall CW map. What we do enjoy is playing actual matches against real opponents, whether they are IS or Clan. Despite what you may believe we do give a grudging respect to those organized outfits who can beat us. I'd also like to remind you that it IS a video game, which implies a competition between players, along with all that entails. If you lose, we get to smack talk you. If you win, it's your prerogative whether or not to respond in kind.

As for the forums: the sad fact is that you will have to get used to this level of posting once the game gets released on Steam. Maybe we're more aggressive and focused in our posting style than random Steam players will be, but you will most likely lose your insanely stuffy, formal Battletech treehouse that you've all been carefully cultivating over the years. It's a fate shared by any insular community when opened to the wider network of people who play video games.

So there you go, I guess. Take it or leave it.

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Die clanner, Dear Coordinator Provides.

[Crockdaddy]

ThomasMarik, on 23 February 2015 - 11:08 PM, said:

that's the thing with creating strife and slapping away good will. Stuff like that tends to survive something as minor as a map reset. Meanwhile factions like liao and Davion have proven to be good to their word and pleasant to work with even when the nations have been in conflict with one another.

So much has been learned in this beta. We learned how to organize and fight. We learned the game mechanics. Most importantly we've learned the character of the various factions. Come the reset I wouldn't put much faith in lore alliances. We've been making our own lore. We don't need to default to the books anymore.

What does this statement mean? I was there when Davion was eating our planets while we were fighting the clans back in December and early January. Why is it OK for DAVION to be the bad guys but not Kurita?

Next, Marik eats Davion planets just as fast as Kurita and Kurita didn't eat Davion planets until we organized and finally the clans stacked MERCS on our border.

What happens if NKVA goes Marik or LIAO or clan after the reset? Will that faction become the next hated faction simply because some thin skinned RP types can't handle forum memes?

Kurita was trolled often enough in the forums. I don't remember rolling over and crying about someones forum opinion. We just kept fighting.

Kurita has honored every agreement which has come down from the High Council. Anything prior or never ratified doesn't really count.

Kurita recently made a strong effort to pull out of IS entanglements and focus sorely on the clan front. If you so called honored gentleman were of such high moral character you would at least have made the attempt to lower tensions for a week. Instead we immediately get attacked on again by Davion. I don't even know why they keep attacking other than to distract us from our Northern border. For Kurita to fight North, it takes 100% effort. We can do that ... but only if the nibbling from behind stops. It is ultimately up to Davion. If they want WAR then they will have it and the clans will almost certainly have Terra.

BTW, your implication is the nSL will attack into Kurita at map reset thus repeating the experience all over again. I am not sure what you hope to get out of it. Kuritan regiments by and large are better than most IS regiments. Sure there are some exceptions. So this means Kuritan Elite units will win 90% or more of all matches but will lose planets on the numbers game. So, your 12 mans get to lose to real units while beating our Pugs. Sounds like honorable fun to me.

Kurita took revenge on Davion and smashed the border back and is hated. Marik eats Davion but is loved. Weird world we live in. Uh gaming world that is.

[Crockdaddy]

Ya know. I just realized I was pulled into a PvP forum warrior topic. My bad ... and I should know better.

[Prophetic]

Basically Davion are now the Purple bird's puppet and are just waiting for them to 'teach HK a lesson".

Sounds good to me. Marik will get 100% of our focus and I can't wait for those c-bills to roll in.

Enough talking, more fighting!

[hopterque]

No Proph, the Davion Rats might ghost cap some of our worlds while we're giving Marik the business and it's gonna take time out of our busy schedules to get one back every ceasefire whenever we feel like it because nobody in Davion can stop us.

[TheFuzzyBunny]

Onionbird, on 24 February 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

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I understand that you don't like us or our posting stance, but complaining to the DCMS high command will accomplish very little; Davion's/Marik's endless threatening to do so will accomplish even less. You can threaten to ghost cap our worlds, but that is also a non-factor for most of us. We're not -MS-: while we enjoy seeing our tag on various planets, until they have an actual in-game impact we ultimately do not care about the overall CW map. What we do enjoy is playing actual matches against real opponents, whether they are IS or Clan. Despite what you may believe we do give a grudging respect to those organized outfits who can beat us. I'd also like to remind you that it IS a video game, which implies a competition between players, along with all that entails. If you lose, we get to smack talk you. If you win, it's your prerogative whether or not to respond in kind.

As for the forums: the sad fact is that you will have to get used to this level of posting once the game gets released on Steam. Maybe we're more aggressive and focused in our posting style than random Steam players will be, but you will most likely lose your insanely stuffy, formal Battletech treehouse that you've all been carefully cultivating over the years. It's a fate shared by any insular community when opened to the wider network of people who play video games.

So there you go, I guess. Take it or leave it.

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Die clanner, Dear Coordinator Provides.

I respect you actually talking like a human. Thank you.

Being that these forums are pretty pointless for actual House stuff I've pretty much given up on reading them. It's silly when the majority of posts in my own CW section is flooded with trash talk from another House. Whatever though, see you guys on the battle field.

[Davers]

Prophetic, on 24 February 2015 - 08:03 AM, said:

Basically Davion are now the Purple bird's puppet and are just waiting for them to 'teach HK a lesson".

Sounds good to me. Marik will get 100% of our focus and I can't wait for those c-bills to roll in.

Enough talking, more fighting!

You must not fight too often with one enemy, or you will teach him all your art of war.
-Napoleon Bonaparte

We look forward to the education.

Edited by Davers, 24 February 2015 - 12:50 PM.

[Prophetic]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 12:50 PM, said:

You must not fight too often with one enemy, or you will teach him all your art of war.
-Napoleon Bonaparte

We look forward to the education.

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

Sun Tzu

[Vlad Ward]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 12:50 PM, said:

You must not fight too often with one enemy, or you will teach him all your art of war.
-Napoleon Bonaparte

We look forward to the education.

I keep hearing the same thing from Mischief and Roadbeer, too. Does Marik really not know how halfway decent teams fight in CW? Have they never seen a Thunderbolt or a Firestarter before? Because it's not like HK is using anything particularly special to kick Clan Yellow Zergling and Clan Purple Davion in the teeth.

If Davion units are still using LRM waves and Hunchbacks 3 months into CW (hint: they are), being stomped by Kurita for a couple more weeks isn't going to magically make them better.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 24 February 2015 - 01:12 PM.

[Davers]

Vlad Ward, on 24 February 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

I keep hearing the same thing from Mischief and Roadbeer, too. Does Marik really not know how halfway decent teams fight in CW? Have they never seen a Thunderbolt or a Firestarter before? Because it's not like HK is using anything particularly special to kick Clan Yellow Zergling and Clan Purple Davion in the teeth.

If Davion units are still using LRM waves and Hunchbacks 3 months into CW (hint: they are), being stomped by Kurita for a couple more weeks isn't going to magically make them better.

*shrug* It's a game. We have 10 year old kids and 'significant others' doing CW drops. The FWLM never claimed to be some hard core unit. We have our good players, and some terrible ones too. We have one player that is like 70 years old. We have a number of players that are rabidly anti-meta. I am surprised that we even use Thunderbolts as often as we do.

If it were up to me I would enroll the entire FWLM in the Church of Skill, myself included.

So, yeah, we do have a lot to learn from fighting good units. And luckily we pick up on things quickly. But we will never have the gunnery skills of LORDS or the true cohesion found in a dedicated unit. We just like to play.

[Vlad Ward]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 01:42 PM, said:

*shrug* It's a game. We have 10 year old kids and 'significant others' doing CW drops. The FWLM never claimed to be some hard core unit. We have our good players, and some terrible ones too. We have one player that is like 70 years old. We have a number of players that are rabidly anti-meta. I am surprised that we even use Thunderbolts as often as we do.

If it were up to me I would enroll the entire FWLM in the Church of Skill, myself included.

So, yeah, we do have a lot to learn from fighting good units. And luckily we pick up on things quickly. But we will never have the gunnery skills of LORDS or the true cohesion found in a dedicated unit. We just like to play.

Like, that's cool and all man. I'm not gonna hate on that. But what I don't get is this idea that a hard counter to the existing meta (or HK's interpretation of the existing meta) is going to magically appear in Southern Clan space via osmosis if Kurita beats up on them enough.

Personally, my unit's nearly 18 months retired from the comp scene. We're well aware that most of us aren't nearly as good at this game as we used to be. We can still wipe the floor with most house units, but that's mostly because they're house units. We know who we can beat reliably and who we can't beat reliably, and we don't run around starting blood feuds with 228 et al.

If you're a faction whose house units are primarily running casual players, who aren't likely to shift out of their LRM boats any time soon, that's cool. Just maybe don't try picking fights with people who can and will knock your teeth in on a regular basis. It only amplifies the frustration and the trolling. There's nothing more satisfying from HK's perspective than beating up on a bunch of forum warriors who want to play at being a weird Teddy Roosevelt knockoff whose proverbial big stick was replaced with pug hordes and LRM Atlases.

Edit: That last bit was directed at a different purple bird, for the record.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 24 February 2015 - 01:57 PM.

[Prophetic]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 01:42 PM, said:

So, yeah, we do have a lot to learn from fighting good units. And luckily we pick up on things quickly. But we will never have the gunnery skills of LORDS or the true cohesion found in a dedicated unit. We just like to play.

LORDS are a different breed entirely but unit cohesion is attainable by anyone and everyone. Don't sell yourself short.

If the whole reason for the trumped up hate speech campaign directed at Kurita is just to attain a good fight, then great. I personally would have went a different way there. Like how we used the original wormhole planets for scrims vs some of your units. We tried helping several of you prepare for the clans.

Now, after you have been completely brainwashed by yellow clanners, there can be no going back.
You'll get the fights you have been wishing for

[Davers]

Vlad Ward, on 24 February 2015 - 01:54 PM, said:

Like, that's cool and all man. I'm not gonna hate on that. But what I don't get is this idea that a hard counter to the existing meta (or HK's interpretation of the existing meta) is going to magically appear in Southern Clan space via osmosis if Kurita beats up on them enough.

Personally, my unit's nearly 18 months retired from the comp scene. We're well aware that most of us aren't nearly as good at this game as we used to be. We can still wipe the floor with most house units, but that's mostly because they're house units. We know who we can beat reliably and who we can't beat reliably, and we don't run around starting blood feuds with 228 et al.

If you're a faction whose house units are primarily running casual players, who aren't likely to shift out of their LRM boats any time soon, that's cool. Just maybe don't try picking fights with people who can and will knock your teeth in on a regular basis. It only amplifies the frustration and the trolling. There's nothing more satisfying from HK's perspective than beating up on a bunch of forum warriors who want to play at being a weird Teddy Roosevelt knockoff whose proverbial big stick was replaced with pug hordes and LRM Atlases.

Edit: That last bit was directed at a different purple bird, for the record.

You don't realize that we aren't bothered by losing. We have faced off against ACES and 228 you know.

We will attack you every day. We will never ask for a ceasefire. We will tie up your units every day, and let the Clans eat your borders for us. We will zerg rush you to make your battles as least profitable as we can. We will not defend and let you ghost drop away. You will tire of fighting us, long before we tire of fighting you. We are willing to bet our 389 planets and one active border to your 277 planets and 4 active borders that we will win in the end. And we will happily learn from you what we can.

It's funny how I know exactly what Purple Bird you mean.,

[Stealthsfury]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 02:17 PM, said:

You don't realize that we aren't bothered by losing. We have faced off against ACES and 228 you know.

We will attack you every day. We will never ask for a ceasefire. We will tie up your units every day, and let the Clans eat your borders for us. We will zerg rush you to make your battles as least profitable as we can. We will not defend and let you ghost drop away. You will tire of fighting us, long before we tire of fighting you. We are willing to bet our 389 planets and one active border to your 277 planets and 4 active borders that we will win in the end. And we will happily learn from you what we can.

It's funny how I know exactly what Purple Bird you mean.,

This statement just clarifies how little the purple birdies understand the dragon they have awoken!

[Davers]

Prophetic, on 24 February 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

LORDS are a different breed entirely but unit cohesion is attainable by anyone and everyone. Don't sell yourself short.

If the whole reason for the trumped up hate speech campaign directed at Kurita is just to attain a good fight, then great. I personally would have went a different way there. Like how we used the original wormhole planets for scrims vs some of your units. We tried helping several of you prepare for the clans.

Now, after you have been completely brainwashed by yellow clanners, there can be no going back.
You'll get the fights you have been wishing for

I agree that there is no reason why we can't be friendly while at the same time trying to annihilate each other. I like the guys from HK, and personally I read every NKVA post in a Mr. Miyagi/Hen Watanabe voice and laugh. Some of it is comedy gold!

Too many egos, not enough love of the game. Isn't wishing to fight good players a kind of flattery?

Edited by Davers, 24 February 2015 - 02:22 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Stealthsfury, on 24 February 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

This statement just clarifies how little the purple birdies understand the dragon they have awoken!

[Prophetic]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:

I agree that there is no reason why we can't be friendly while at the same time trying to annihilate each other. I like the guys from HK, and personally I read every NKVA post in a Mr. Miyagi/Hen Watanabe voice and laugh. Some of it is comedy gold!

Too many egos, not enough love of the game. Isn't wishing to fight good players a kind of flattery?

Finally someone else that admits the NKVA posts are hilarious. People don't realize that they are the exact same way vs NS in PUB drops. They use dirty tactics, like convincing us that conquest is fun and then capping to victory!

No doubt. Fighting to get better is fun. We have just experienced unwillingness by the vast IS population to embrace what works. What works vs the better units certainly works vs the clans. Taking that next step seems to be what holds the IS back.
That and the Kurita hate