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[Michael Costanza]

Stormthorn, on 22 February 2015 - 09:44 PM, said:

As much as this sounds nice, it is not going to work. There will have to be an "official" ceasefire if we want to both get off the Davion/Kurita border. We had that going for us after the first month of CW and this is were we are now.

I'm sure if a ceasefire doesn't happen soon though, it will happen when CSJ or CGB are knocking on Terra's door. Marik and Davion wanting a piece of Kurita will only make the clans push come even sooner.

Honestly, if both Marik and Davion wait until the last second to ask for a ceasefire, I wouldn't be surprised if the Kurita High council decides to turn down the ceasefire because of not coming to terms sooner than the last minute (and more bad blood from forum wars coming from both sides).

The way the attack corridor is looking, CSJ will be mingling around near Luthien's capital while CGB plows towards Terra. Since it's kinda hard to stop CSJ _and_ CGB _and_ Davion (not to mention all the Clan alts from the various IS houses), there's a decent chance CGB gets to Terra and starts tying up the other Inner Sphere houses. When the other houses are tied up, I'd imagine we'd get the chance to clean CSJ out from around Luthien but won't have much time to help the other houses with CGB.

Ideally CGB should be stopped before they get to Terra but it is a challenge to do so with CSJ also taking planets and Davion diverting a 12 man or two from those CGB/CSJ efforts by nibbling at our heels.

But maybe that's what they want? Their own Clan front. If so, I hope their alts shake hands

[Vlad Ward]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 02:17 PM, said:

You don't realize that we aren't bothered by losing. We have faced off against ACES and 228 you know.

We will attack you every day. We will never ask for a ceasefire. We will tie up your units every day, and let the Clans eat your borders for us. We will zerg rush you to make your battles as least profitable as we can. We will not defend and let you ghost drop away. You will tire of fighting us, long before we tire of fighting you. We are willing to bet our 389 planets and one active border to your 277 planets and 4 active borders that we will win in the end. And we will happily learn from you what we can.

It's funny how I know exactly what Purple Bird you mean.,

I'm cool with this. But it'll be interesting to see how long the rest of Marik stays on the same page.

You had a lot of guys who weren't very happy when they lost trying to hold the wormhole. Can they really handle being stomped, repeatedly, for weeks on end? How many games can any one team lose before the salt buildup reaches critical mass?

The Marik Wormhole Closure Backstabbing Bonanza lasted 24 hours and even that was enough to trigger the "oh em gee Kurita Aimbots, guys" flag. I wonder if your faction has the stamina to take on Kurita.

[stevemac]

Simple question asked

Simple answer given

8 pages of crap that has nothing to do with original post later

[pwnface]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 02:17 PM, said:

You don't realize that we aren't bothered by losing. We have faced off against ACES and 228 you know.

We will attack you every day. We will never ask for a ceasefire. We will tie up your units every day, and let the Clans eat your borders for us. We will zerg rush you to make your battles as least profitable as we can. We will not defend and let you ghost drop away. You will tire of fighting us, long before we tire of fighting you. We are willing to bet our 389 planets and one active border to your 277 planets and 4 active borders that we will win in the end. And we will happily learn from you what we can.

It's funny how I know exactly what Purple Bird you mean.,

Sure you have more planets and we have more active border, don't underestimate our willingness to focus on only one faction and ignoring our other planets. Will you continue to play for 3 months if you are losing every match? I don't think any faction can maintain a population if they are consistently losing whenever they queue up. We certainly won't be losing pilots when we are winning.

[Davers]

Vlad Ward, on 24 February 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

I'm cool with this. But it'll be interesting to see how long the rest of Marik stays on the same page.

You had a lot of guys who weren't very happy when they lost trying to hold the wormhole. Can they really handle being stomped, repeatedly, for weeks on end? How many games can any one team lose before the salt buildup reaches critical mass?

The Marik Wormhole Closure Backstabbing Bonanza lasted 24 hours and even that was enough to trigger the "oh em gee Kurita Aimbots, guys" flag. I wonder if your faction has the stamina to take on Kurita.

pwnface, on 24 February 2015 - 02:49 PM, said:

Sure you have more planets and we have more active border, don't underestimate our willingness to focus on only one faction and ignoring our other planets. Will you continue to play for 3 months if you are losing every match? I don't think any faction can maintain a population if they are consistently losing whenever they queue up. We certainly won't be losing pilots when we are winning.

That is the question, isn't it? Only one way to find out.

In 3 months of focusing on us, we could possibly lose 90-180 planets, about half of what we have now. You might lose 180-360 to Clans- which means the only planets you will have left will be in Marik's space (plus Luthien). Would you still call this a victory?

[Vlad Ward]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

That is the question, isn't it? Only one way to find out.

In 3 months of focusing on us, we could possibly lose 90-180 planets, about half of what we have now. You might lose 180-360 to Clans- which means the only planets you will have left will be in Marik's space (plus Luthien). Would you still call this a victory?

Kurita stopped caring about planet caps a long time ago. What matters to them is winning or losing on the match level. If they continue to roll through LRM boats while expanding the Greater Kuritan Co-Prosperity Sphere southward, I think they would definitely call that a victory.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 24 February 2015 - 03:06 PM.

[pwnface]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

That is the question, isn't it? Only one way to find out.

In 3 months of focusing on us, we could possibly lose 90-180 planets, about half of what we have now. You might lose 180-360 to Clans- which means the only planets you will have left will be in Marik's space (plus Luthien). Would you still call this a victory?

Yes we would, if our goal was just to destroy Marik.

Kurita MAY be willing to lose all of our planets if it means wiping Marik off the map IF Marik insists on going to war with us. Again, we'll see how things turn out if/when there is a shared border.

Edited by pwnface, 24 February 2015 - 03:11 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Vlad Ward, on 24 February 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

Greater Kuritan Co-Prosperity Sphere

Goonspeak from EvE

[Davers]

Vlad Ward, on 24 February 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

Kurita stopped caring about planet caps a long time ago. What matters to them is winning or losing on the match level. If they continue to roll through LRM boats while expanding the Greater Kuritan Co-Prosperity Sphere southward, I think they would definitely call this a victory.

Then why did they even care about the wormhole at all? Why did they worry about losing planets so the FWL could create a Clan corridor? Why does HK not fight Ghost Bear when MS is there, if they only care about winning matches, and not planets?

[Vlad Ward]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

Then why did they even care about the wormhole at all? Why did they worry about losing planets so the FWL could create a Clan corridor? Why does HK not fight Ghost Bear when MS is there, if they only care about winning matches, and not planets?

idk bro. I'm just sharing my third-party observations. Maybe people are complicated.

Still, I highly doubt anyone can really win an attrition war against Kurita after the beatings they've taken over the past 3 months. What we have now is what Kurita's population looks like after they were put 70 planets in the hole by the Clans (Clan Golden Zergling included). It can only go up from here.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 24 February 2015 - 03:19 PM.

[Duvanor]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

Then why did they even care about the wormhole at all? Why did they worry about losing planets so the FWL could create a Clan corridor? Why does HK not fight Ghost Bear when MS is there, if they only care about winning matches, and not planets?

You answered your question. MS is there and they want to win matches. So they go for Davion pugs.

[pwnface]

Davers, on 24 February 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

Then why did they even care about the wormhole at all? Why did they worry about losing planets so the FWL could create a Clan corridor? Why does HK not fight Ghost Bear when MS is there, if they only care about winning matches, and not planets?

We care more about dishonest "allies" trying to sneak attack us. This isn't to say that we don't care about planets at all but we aren't afraid to bleed planets in pursuit of our goals.

For the record, my unit (Night's Scorn) at least has fought and both won and lost against MS when they were contracted with Marik and CGB. Marik continues to perpetuate this idea that House Kurita doesn't fight against clans but I'd bet my MWO account (if there was a way to verify it) that we've had more matches against clans than Marik does.

Most nights during NA ceasefire we are able to take a Davion planet and still planet trade or win a planet against CSJ. Just because you see us making progress against Davion it doesn't mean we aren't fighting clans. Feel free to ask JGx, SA, DERP about our activities.

[Roadbeer]

pwnface, on 24 February 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

We care more about dishonest "allies" trying to sneak attack us. This isn't to say that we don't care about planets at all but we aren't afraid to bleed planets in pursuit of our goals.

For the record, my unit (Night's Scorn) at least has fought and both won and lost against MS when they were contracted with Marik and CGB. Marik continues to perpetuate this idea that House Kurita doesn't fight against clans but I'd bet my MWO account (if there was a way to verify it) that we've had more matches against clans than Marik does.

Most nights during NA ceasefire we are able to take a Davion planet and still planet trade or win a planet against CSJ. Just because you see us making progress against Davion it doesn't mean we aren't fighting clans. Feel free to ask JGx, SA, DERP about our activities.

[pwnface]

Duvanor, on 24 February 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

You answered your question. MS is there and they want to win matches. So they go for Davion pugs.

Actually, we've beaten MS as often as they've beaten us (Night's Scorn) at least when I was present. I can't speak for other HK units though.

[Duvanor]

pwnface, on 24 February 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

We care more about dishonest "allies" trying to sneak attack us. This isn't to say that we don't care about planets at all but we aren't afraid to bleed planets in pursuit of our goals.

For the record, my unit (Night's Scorn) at least has fought and both won and lost against MS when they were contracted with Marik and CGB. Marik continues to perpetuate this idea that House Kurita doesn't fight against clans but I'd bet my MWO account (if there was a way to verify it) that we've had more matches against clans than Marik does.

Most nights during NA ceasefire we are able to take a Davion planet and still planet trade or win a planet against CSJ. Just because you see us making progress against Davion it doesn't mean we aren't fighting clans. Feel free to ask JGx, SA, DERP about our activities.

You should take a look at the map again. Your island around Luthien is gone and the border is moving south.

[MischiefSC]

Marik ate losses to Davion all day every day for about 6 weeks. They will get steadily better and generally be good sports. They will it last Kurita. You guys have more to do and too any borders. You're also both pretty willing to go with mutual annihilation, as is Davion and Liao for that matter.

On the plus side though Davion and Marik reached a point where we stopped being irritated with each other. At some point that will play out for most the is factions, minus some bitter holdouts.

Everyone just needs to feel like they got their licks in.

[Prophetic]

stevemac, on 24 February 2015 - 02:46 PM, said:

Simple question asked

Simple answer given

8 pages of crap that has nothing to do with original post later

Who allowed the Davion puppet to speak?

Oh. Never mind.

Edited by Prophetic, 24 February 2015 - 03:37 PM.

[Davers]

Vlad Ward, on 24 February 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

idk bro. I'm just sharing my third-party observations. Maybe people are complicated.

Still, I highly doubt anyone can really win an attrition war against Kurita after the beatings they've taken over the past 3 months. What we have now is what Kurita's population looks like after they were put 70 planets in the hole by the Clans (Clan Golden Zergling included). It can only go up from here.

pwnface, on 24 February 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

We care more about dishonest "allies" trying to sneak attack us. This isn't to say that we don't care about planets at all but we aren't afraid to bleed planets in pursuit of our goals.

For the record, my unit (Night's Scorn) at least has fought and both won and lost against MS when they were contracted with Marik and CGB. Marik continues to perpetuate this idea that House Kurita doesn't fight against clans but I'd bet my MWO account (if there was a way to verify it) that we've had more matches against clans than Marik does.

Most nights during NA ceasefire we are able to take a Davion planet and still planet trade or win a planet against CSJ. Just because you see us making progress against Davion it doesn't mean we aren't fighting clans. Feel free to ask JGx, SA, DERP about our activities.

You guys were worried about the wormhole and losing planets weeks before Marik attacked. You had decided to close it while we were still considered allies, a week before Marik attacked. Don't try to change the timeline.

What you guys don't get is that everyone in Marik respected you guys- a lot. You were the classic 'chump to champ' Hollywood story. We were rooting for you when you organized and turned things around. We praised your units' skills and accomplishments. Hell, we were fans of Kurita. Why do you think we wanted to set up unit exchange programs to learn from you?

But then your victories, all deserved mind you, went to your heads and you stopped respecting the players you were fighting against. You gave up on sportsmanlike conduct and just trolled the players who queued up to play against you. I'm sure a good portion was in jest, but no one likes a bully. Maybe you would rather do turret drops than have any but the best teams have a match against you?

I know people have been rude to you as well, and you may feel that you are just fighting fire with fire. But the Lords used to do that and got bad reputations. MS used to do that, but stopped when they realized they were getting a bad reputation. Now you guys want to have CFs and stuff, and wonder why people aren't willing to cooperate.

[Vlad Ward]

NS has always seemed pretty sportsmanlike in every game I've dropped in with them. Same with pretty much every Kurita unit.

You can just come out and say it. A bunch of Marik players got real salty because NKVA beat them and said they were bad. Interesting, considering we were just talking a page ago about how we all know Marik's house units are pretty bad, and that they're okay with being bad.

Marik burned bridges over a couple dozen brand new players who like to post on the forums. I can only imagine what Steam release is going to do to Forum Warfare.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 24 February 2015 - 04:11 PM.

[Prophetic]

We were in our rights to say when it closed.
Hell I was the first person to say to our council let them take more planets on our side after Marik took the first one. See if it goes toward the clans. The NS position was mildly popular and not a foregone conclusion even in the wormholes infancy.
Turns out the dissenters were right.

Our House units have behaved the exact same way since day one. We took all the ridicule and chest thumping from those that had no clue what it was like to border the clans and kept on plugging along. Our attitudes never changed, the other houses that were safely insulated by the us vs the clans had their little wars with one another while also taking a few of our planets.

What happened to change others perception of us? We turned around and got tired of fighting clans alongside FRR while the other houses preferred fighting one another. So we started crushing Davion.
Davion started shifting all focus to HK.
A certain house lost the ability to fight them.
They blamed HK.

Any reason to hate HK was invented.
Here we are.