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[Amsro]

Necromantion, on 03 March 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

Too stupid to understand english, is in faction about to be wiped off the map. Adorable.

Ouch, did I hit a soft spot? Not sure what English comprehension has to do with my post.

Went from HK to FRR to fight the clans, been many epic battles, have enjoyed winning thoroughly.

Came here to add sarcasm to the sarcasm thread, hit the Necromantion rage button instead. Equally entertaining!!

Wait!? Are you taking this thread seriously?

[Necromantion]

Amsro, on 03 March 2015 - 10:49 AM, said:

Ouch, did I hit a soft spot? Not sure what English comprehension has to do with my post.

Went from HK to FRR to fight the clans, been many epic battles, have enjoyed winning thoroughly.

Came here to add sarcasm to the sarcasm thread, hit the Necromantion rage button instead. Equally entertaining!!

Wait!? Are you taking this thread seriously?

Nope and it comes in where I dont see any puppies crying anywhere on this thread?

I have no rage button, just a blunt button, you seem to have tickled it.

Yup.

[Gyrok]

lsp, on 03 March 2015 - 10:19 AM, said:

No they wouldn't, otherwise they wouldn't be competitive. Any one who is serious about this game is going to play the meta, and the meta is Stormcrow, Timberwolf, Hellbringer, Direwolf. Has absolutely nothing to do with their roleplaying. LORD for example. I was right, you're delussional. Name one IS competitive unit, there isn't one. Because they wouldn't be competitive if they where IS.

Maybe this will help you get a clue http://metamechs.com...ists/comp-list/

A quick lesson in "Meta"

Meta is what is considered to be the pinnacle of machine and tech applied to a specific strategy or tactic.

For example...if you are a metamechs tier list humper...then you may know what I am about to tell you, but here you are:

BESM = Big Engine Stomp Meta = load up on fast mechs with DPS builds and roll in a murder ball, this is built for primarily sub 300m engagements

LR = Gauss/PPC/ERLL = build your deck to suit your engagement range and play by keeping the enemy at range (also nicknamed "kiting" by some, though not true in the classical sense...) this is built for 650m+ range

Then you have the last one, which tends to be a semi fluid medium range setup with engagement ranges focused on 300-600m.

BESM < LR at 400m+

BESM > LR at < 300m

MR is not particularly strong or weak. LR can out range it, but not too bad, and BESM can out DPS it, but not too bad.

So, SJR like to play MR meta. That is what they favor when playing because they are typically never at a strong disadvantage or strong advantage.

228th likes BESM, that is their bread and butter. They play some MR mechs too, but not nearly as high a % of their deck is, as compared to SJR.

Lords tends to run mostly MR to LR, and occasionally run brawl decks when they know they are going to be on a brawl oriented map. EmP is remarkably (or rather unremarkably...) similar in most ways.

While build compositions will vary...you can easily see where a meta mech list written by 228th would differ from the same list a member of SJR would write, and while it may share some similarities, different units favor different mechs and builds. Meanwhile, the Lords/EmP would likely favor some different builds, and mechs because of their own personal tastes.

So, while Gman has good info...that is not the be all end all of anything. It is the opinion of a competitive player from a good competitive group. Take it as nothing more...there is no "meta" bible, and all of you should remember that.

Edited by Gyrok, 03 March 2015 - 12:23 PM.

[Amsro]

Necromantion, on 03 March 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

Nope and it comes in where I dont see any puppies crying anywhere on this thread?

I have no rage button, just a blunt button, you seem to have tickled it.

Yup.

Your post wasn't blunt, it was a direct attack. The VERY FIRST POST is a sarcastic cry, hence my post.

Ahh nevermind. I'm too stupid to understand what I'm saying.

[Necromantion]

I dont understand it either

[Gyrok]

Necromantion, on 03 March 2015 - 01:02 PM, said:

I dont understand it either

LOL @ your forum post sig...that is sadly true.

[Adiuvo]

Gyrok, on 03 March 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

lolwut?

Has nothing to do with things like SJR standing for Smoke Jaguar Reborn from MW4, right? Nothing to do with HoL most consistently running CJF tags right? Nothing to do with EmP mostly running CSJ tags as clans...right?

Those guys are all Clanners in Spheroid clothes...get a clue, of course they would run Clan mechs, if all things were equal they *still* would be running clan mechs.

Some people have powers of observation that are so great, they nearly rival a spoon...(the spoon is slightly more observant, but they are so excruciatingly close to catching up...)

None of the conclusions and/or reasons you wrote in this post are true.

[Repasy Cooper]

Necromantion, on 03 March 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

Too stupid to understand english, is in faction about to be wiped off the map. Adorable.

You **** lol! You've been a Wolf for like less than 48 hours, so yea you ARE a pouting puppy. Lighten up. XD

[Gyrok]

Adiuvo, on 03 March 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

None of the conclusions and/or reasons you wrote in this post are true.

[Adiuvo]

Gyrok, on 03 March 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

SJR broke away from the Smoke Jaguar Reborn because they don't want to be seen as a clan unit, Lords only went CJF initially because Wispsy thought it fit the team personality best and 'MY HOME PLANET!', and EmP picks our factions literally by whoever is the first person to click a faction once our contract is up. We don't play CW.

Edited by Adiuvo, 03 March 2015 - 07:04 PM.

[Gyrok]

Adiuvo, on 03 March 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

SJR broke away from the Smoke Jaguar Reborn because they don't want to be seen as a clan unit, Lords only went CJF initially because Wispsy thought it fit the team personality best and 'MY HOME PLANET!', and EmP picks our factions literally by whoever is the first person to click a faction once our contract is up. We don't play CW.

If you thought all things were equal, you would still play clan mechs as much or more...correct?

[Dino Might]

Seeing as how I see them running a lot of Firestarters and not a lot of Mist Lynxes and Adders, I'm guessing not, because they seem to be fixated on using the best equipment for their particular tactics.
All things being equal, then it wouldn't really matter what mech they played, because they'd all be the same.

From what I've seen, a lot of those guys play to win, and they play all aspects of the game. Mech optimization, team coordination, individual movement/tactics, and shooting. They're not generally going to purposely gimp themselves in one area unless they have a good reason to, and lore/RP/aesthetics does not seem like a solid enough reason based on their history.

This is neither showing favor nor ill feelings to their particular style, and I don't claim to know much about them, but I do know what I see, and what I see is bring the best and fight hard with it.

Edited by Dino Might, 03 March 2015 - 08:22 PM.

[Gyrok]

Dino Might, on 03 March 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

Seeing as how I see them running a lot of Firestarters and not a lot of Mist Lynxes and Adders, I'm guessing not, because they seem to be fixated on using the best equipment for their particular tactics.
All things being equal, then it wouldn't really matter what mech they played, because they'd all be the same.

From what I've seen, a lot of those guys play to win, and they play all aspects of the game. Mech optimization, team coordination, individual movement/tactics, and shooting. They're not generally going to purposely gimp themselves in one area unless they have a good reason to, and lore/RP/aesthetics does not seem like a solid enough reason based on their history.

This is neither showing favor nor ill feelings to their particular style, and I don't claim to know much about them, but I do know what I see, and what I see is bring the best and fight hard with it.

I do not disagree with your assessment; however, there is surely some sentimentality there for certain mechs...everyone has it.

Heaven knows I was waiting for the DW and TW from closed beta...

[Adiuvo]

Gyrok, on 03 March 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

If you thought all things were equal, you would still play clan mechs as much or more...correct?

As much, yes. More, no. Playtime would likely be equally spread if that was the case.

I mean we all do have our favorite mechs. I'm a really big fan of the Nova Cat and Uziel, for instance.

Edited by Adiuvo, 03 March 2015 - 10:42 PM.

[Nightshade24]

MechaBattler, on 03 March 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

You're talking about the very specific roles that those mechs don't carry out as well. And the limitations of weapons that for the most part aren't very good for either side. I wouldn't be surprised to see those weapons get strong quirks on Clan mechs that aren't performing as good. But the mechs I listed out already perform better than their IS counterparts. If they were to get quirks to the few things they don't do better. Then there'd be no reason to take other Clan mechs.

The IS mechs that were supposed to be Tier 1. Didn't get quirks first wave. They waited to see how they stacked up after the first pass. And then they gave them quirk. If, somehow, the holy trinity of Clan mechs is found lacking. They probably will give them some quirks.

Well I had great success with AC 2's in the IS to the point I got more AC 2 mechs then AC 5, 10, and 20's put together*

*(Well not anymore, due to me getting tripples of the Loyalty mechs, I got 2 atlases, 3 kingcrabs, and 3 centurions with AC 20's alone. Bringing the number of AC 20's + 8)



And even lets say if the Timberwolf gets a 10% LRM 20 reload, 10% Missile reload (20%), The Mad Dog would probably get for eg 15% LRM 20 cooldown, 15% Missile cooldown,15% Reduced Missile heat. Or something along those lines.


Sure, Timberwolfs can now Run LRM 20's or 15's or any missile without gimping the mech. But it can't out do the Mad Dog for eg.

Anyway, the Timberwolf AT BEST can run 2 UAC 5's with 4 er meds for support. I fail to see how this could make a 6 UAC 5 direwolf obsolete for eg...


Also what competition does the stormcrow have of being the best LRM boat for mediums? reguardless of getting quirks of not I do not think the nova (atm 0 hardpoints for missile, soon: max of 1) or the Ice ferret (can do 3 but only 3 LRM 5's reliably...) the stormcrow is just gonna be the trebuchet mix kintaro of the clans.

Wouldn't make any clan mech obselete.


I doubt that adding any minor quirks like these would make it unballanced if they give the T3-5 quirks to the mechs that need it.

I will doubt a 2 ER PPC Timberwolf would out do a duel ER PPC hellbringer or a er ppc on a summoner.

I would doubt the stormcrow would out do the nova in the ability to boat medium lasers and stuff.

[Molossian Dog]

Oh! It is a Gyrok thread.

Wait, let me buy a rubber suit. I got to wallow in your self-pity.
This is going to be classy.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 04 March 2015 - 03:52 AM.

[Dino Might]

Gyrok, on 03 March 2015 - 09:24 PM, said:

I do not disagree with your assessment; however, there is surely some sentimentality there for certain mechs...everyone has it.

Heaven knows I was waiting for the DW and TW from closed beta...

Agreed. Hellbringer has been my fav since tabletop, and I was running that non-stop when it came out, even with the CT magnet, I still worked to make it work and had a blast in it. What I really like about MWO is how it has introduced me to a lot of mechs I never even considered before, just because of the overall quality of the artwork and modeling (sure there are some that most don't like, but overall, a lot of great looking mechs!).

[Gyrok]

Molossian Dog, on 04 March 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

Oh! It is a Gyrok thread.

Wait, let me buy a rubber suit. I got to wallow in your self-pity.
This is going to be classy.

----------------------------------------------> The point of this thread

0 -> your head
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Clearly, the point of this thread has gone over your head...

Edited by Gyrok, 04 March 2015 - 06:30 AM.

[Molossian Dog]

Yes, yes, dear. You were trying to be funny.

And it was unforseeable there would be tears.

[Dino Might]

Concerning the drama posts on this joke thread:

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