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[Burktross]

Yes, yes, It's not exact, but it's the damn well best we got.

Now we need to worry about it getting focused fire'd, and then when it releases, whine about hitboxes.

Fin.

If anyone wants to see the entire evolution of this convoluted debate, look here. i have tons of pretty pictures from my evolving viewpoint that stretch on to page 11.

So, considering targeting priorities will decide whether this mech lives or dies, we must now accept that the origin of its flaws, if it comes with some, will be solely reliant on the meta of threat evaluation and gut reaction!

%$^$#*&!

Here is a comparison of leg surface area.

By God! a mere 5%, at most! Especially considering the substantial bend in the Phract's chicken legs! Combine this with quirks and we're set!

The final countdown!

Notify me if the image dies.
Here I take into account everything in general about the Grasshopper! Hell, if we take legs into account, the Grasshopper is even 30% better!
Brainfart. If we take into account the legs, it stoops to ~20% better.

Edited by Burktross, 16 March 2015 - 12:37 PM.

[InRev]

Thanks for going through all this work, Burktross. It's appreciated.

(I am still hoping beyond reason that the bulges on the Hopper's shoulders are mountpoints for the second set of side torso hardpoints, but all evidence suggests otherwise)

[Burktross]

InRev, on 15 March 2015 - 06:47 PM, said:

Thanks for going through all this work, Burktross. It's appreciated.

(I am still hoping beyond reason that the bulges on the Hopper's shoulders are mountpoints for the second set of side torso hardpoints, but all evidence suggests otherwise)

A pleasure. Can't say I regret it. I like making pretty pictures.

As for the hardpoints, I think there's hope. A la the Enforcer.

Tuesday will decide.
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...Wait... has anyone thought about how leggable the Grasshopper will be...?--

Sigh... I'll make a surface area thing for legs tomorrow...

[Greenjulius]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 06:50 PM, said:

...Wait... has anyone thought about how leggable the Grasshopper will be...?--

Sigh... I'll make a surface area thing for legs tomorrow...

That's my chief concern. Its legs are huge, so they got armor buffs.

Edit: 15 armor per leg to be exact.

Edited by Greenjulius, 15 March 2015 - 06:53 PM.

[Burktross]

Greenjulius, on 15 March 2015 - 06:52 PM, said:

That's my chief concern. It's legs are huge, so they got armor buffs.

Edit: 15 per leg to be exact.

Thank the lord.

[Lynx7725]

Y'know, not to diss on the experts, but I'm fairly sure the 'Hopper would exceed people's expectations. If nothing else, because those expectations had been lowered by the experts.

Perfectly happy to wait for the release and try it out before complaining...

[DaZur]

Thank-You OP... and Kudos!

I so much more appreciate the logical dissection and analysis of this versus the chicken-little hyperbole that has been so flipping ingrained in the community by the local intelligentsia.

Much appreciated.

[Kiiyor]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

Yes, yes, It's not exact, but it's the damn well best we got.

Now we need to worry about it getting focused fire'd, and then when it releases, whine about hitboxes.

Fin.

If anyone wants to see the entire evolution of this convoluted debate, look here. i have tons of pretty pictures from my evolving viewpoint that stretch on to page 11.

So, considering targeting priorities will decide whether this mech lives or dies, we must now accept that the origin of its flaws, if it comes with some, will be solely reliant on the meta of threat evaluation and gut reaction!

%$^$#*&!

Well done, sir!

Verily, thy SCIENCE is rad!

Edited by Kiiyor, 15 March 2015 - 07:02 PM.

[El Bandito]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

Yes, yes, It's not exact, but it's the damn well best we got.

Now we need to worry about it getting focused fire'd, and then when it releases, whine about hitboxes.

Fin.

If anyone wants to see the entire evolution of this convoluted debate, look here. i have tons of pretty pictures from my evolving viewpoint that stretch on to page 11.

So, considering targeting priorities will decide whether this mech lives or dies, we must now accept that the origin of its flaws, if it comes with some, will be solely reliant on the meta of threat evaluation and gut reaction!

%$^$#*&!

The Phract has the option of only using the torsi energy mounts for minimal exposure though. Grasshopper needs to expose the whole torso for that.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 March 2015 - 09:28 PM.

[KraftySOT]

Sadly that things 180 total combined leg health is a strong breeze away from a kill.

You got almost twice as much across the torsos.

At least with getting legged you can be fairly XL safe.

[Lynx7725]

El Bandito, on 15 March 2015 - 07:10 PM, said:

I must point out that t The Phract has the option of only using the torsi energy mounts for minimal exposure though. Grasshopper needs to expose the whole torso for that.

I'm not sure. I've never seen anyone do that with a 'Phract -- most of them end up sticking out too far to actually take advantage.

Partially I think because of the targeting system, for it to work you need to be able to see most of the target, which in the Phract means you have to poke quite a bit of the torso out. Which negates the advantage. Not to mention, for some reason, Phract users like to use their arm weapons too.

Give the 'Hopper some time. I was thinking the Panther would be DoA. It happens to have ignored my opinion, for which I'm glad that it did.

[KraftySOT]

Now if it was a chicken walker id say youd have terrible hit reg while jumping and meh Wubhoppah would be a Thing™.

Not looking promising however.

[Lynx7725]

KraftySOT, on 15 March 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

Now if it was a chicken walker id say youd have terrible hit reg while jumping and meh Wubhoppah would be a Thing™.

Not looking promising however.

It's coming out tomorrow, yes? We can afford to give it 48 hours to prove or disprove itself.

[Stoned Prophet]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

Yes, yes, It's not exact, but it's the damn well best we got.

Now we need to worry about it getting focused fire'd, and then when it releases, whine about hitboxes.

Fin.

If anyone wants to see the entire evolution of this convoluted debate, look here. i have tons of pretty pictures from my evolving viewpoint that stretch on to page 11.

So, considering targeting priorities will decide whether this mech lives or dies, we must now accept that the origin of its flaws, if it comes with some, will be solely reliant on the meta of threat evaluation and gut reaction!

%$^$#*&!

Idont think youre allowed to use logic reason and reality on the forums... but the people who disagree with you will ignore it regardless

Lynx7725, on 15 March 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

It's coming out tomorrow, yes? We can afford to give it 48 hours to prove or disprove itself.

Two days but I agree

[Ultimax]

El Bandito, on 15 March 2015 - 07:10 PM, said:

The Phract has the option of only using the torsi energy mounts for minimal exposure though. Grasshopper needs to expose the whole torso for that.

This is the important bit.

Lynx7725, on 15 March 2015 - 07:20 PM, said:

I'm not sure. I've never seen anyone do that with a 'Phract

You're missing out then.

[Burktross]

Stoned Prophet, on 15 March 2015 - 07:31 PM, said:

Idont think youre allowed to use logic reason and reality on the forums... but the people who disagree with you will ignore it regardless


Two days but I agree

Eh. Who cares if no one will listen. Hell, I used to think like them too. Pretty pictures do wonders in persuasion and demonstration, so I guess my science lab report skills came in handy.

Edited by Burktross, 15 March 2015 - 07:37 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ultimatum X, on 15 March 2015 - 07:33 PM, said:

This is the important bit.






You're missing out then.

If it can't peektart it's DoA?

The Comps have spoken.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 March 2015 - 07:42 PM.

[Ultimax]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 March 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

If it can't peektart it's DoA?

Hi there, Mr. Stawman, nice to meet you.


Did I say DoA? Or are you just resorting to dishonest tactics again?


Exposing less of your mech when you fire is important.

Was that easy enough for you this time?

[KraftySOT]

Come now ladies.

[El Bandito]

Lynx7725, on 15 March 2015 - 07:20 PM, said:

Give the 'Hopper some time. I was thinking the Panther would be DoA. It happens to have ignored my opinion, for which I'm glad that it did.

I never said the GHR is DoA. If anything, I said it will perform OK. http://mwomercs.com/...ize-comparison/

El Bandito, on 14 March 2015 - 09:23 PM, said:

The Grasshopper probably can perform well with those hardpoints. If only JJs were actually good...

El Bandito, on 14 March 2015 - 09:28 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong, Grasshopper is still gonna perform, most likely even better than the Phracts thanks to those high mounts, but its scale in relation to the Zeus is just so whacked. Did two different modelers work on them?

However, that still does not excuse PGI for messing up the scaling and making a 70 ton mech as tall as an Atlas, and it still does not make those who say they are fine with the giant GHR, any less dumb.
We should not tolerate such scaling errors, period. Not when PGI has been making mechs for over 3 years.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 March 2015 - 07:50 PM.