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[Drunk Canuck]

GroxGlitch, on 18 March 2015 - 03:47 PM, said:

Care to elaborate on what exactly said 'balance issues' are?

EDIT: Wait, hold up a second, BUFF Inner Sphere Engines!?
What in the blazes for?
They're fine as it is, they don't need a buff. This system has been working more or less effectively since Closed Beta.
The only issue here is the Clan XLs potentially being too good.

Actually, many light pilots would tell you that some IS engines do need a change in order to make some chassis better, especially the Locust. The fact that you have to have additional heat sinks outside the engine makes it hard to make a Locust competitive against other lights.

[Black Arachne]

Kmieciu, on 18 March 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:

Either implement engine critical hit for all mechs, or none.

For sure - it's time for a proper crit system and heat system.

[Mcgral18]

Drunk Canuck, on 18 March 2015 - 05:19 PM, said:

Actually, many light pilots would tell you that some IS engines do need a change in order to make some chassis better, especially the Locust. The fact that you have to have additional heat sinks outside the engine makes it hard to make a Locust competitive against other lights.

Every Clam light is also affected by PoorDubs, and lack or 10 TrueDubs.


There won't be one with a 250+ engine for a very long time. Hankyu will be the closest, with nine TrueDubs.

[Zoid]

I don't understand the issue here. Clanners have been crying that they can't change to standard engines and therefore a nerf is unfair, well here you go. If you lose a ST, your engine is effectively downgraded to a standard (20% less speed for the same weight).

So if you're really desperate for that standard engine, load all your weapons on one side and have someone shoot out your other side when the match starts. Boom, standard engine.

Edited by Zoid, 18 March 2015 - 05:25 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Zoid, on 18 March 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

I don't understand the issue here. Clanners have been crying that they can't change to standard engines and therefore a nerf is unfair, well here you go. If you lose a ST, your engine is effectively downgraded to a standard (20% less speed for the same weight).

So if you're really desperate for that standard engine, load all your weapons on one side and have someone shoot out your other side when the match starts. Boom, standard engine.

Actually, most have asked for an engine option that isn't Terribad.


Very few Clam robots have good engines....the whole reason why some are beyond saving. Some are less terrible than others. Oversized, or woefully undersized.

[Yokaiko]

Mcgral18, on 18 March 2015 - 05:28 PM, said:

Actually, most have asked for an engine option that isn't Terribad.


Very few Clam robots have good engines....the whole reason why some are beyond saving. Some are less terrible than others. Oversized, or woefully undersized.

Gargoyle

They gave a 20% ROF quirk to the prime that can carry at MOST 4 tons of ammo on an LB5X IF it drop 1 ton of SRM ammo (out of two) and the Slas AND a half ton of armor stock armor I may add not max.

.......with the stock x2 srm6 adn x2 LB5X (lol)

.................yeah get RIGHT on that, said no one ever.

[Davers]

Do people really think PGI will add things like LFE engines that will make every IS engine in the game obsolete?

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Davers, on 18 March 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

Do people really think PGI will add things like LFE engines that will make every IS engine in the game obsolete?

They added double heat sinks. That made singles obsolete. They're about to add the Arctic Cheetah. Thats going to make all the other clan lights obsolete (more so than they already are). I don't think PGI will add them (at least in the next two years), though, not because of possible obsolescence of current engines, but because timeline reasons.


On the plus side, the additions of the SCAT, AC, and CB should push the clans above the 50% mark on viable chassis as per McGral's definition. Unless they get them horribly horribly wrong somehow.

Edited by Mirumoto Izanami, 18 March 2015 - 06:08 PM.

[Davers]

Mirumoto Izanami, on 18 March 2015 - 06:07 PM, said:

They added double heat sinks. That made singles obsolete. They're about to add the Arctic Cheetah. Thats going to make all the other clan lights obsolete (more so than they already are).


On the plus side, the additions of the SCAT, AC, and CB should push the clans above the 50% mark on viable chassis as per McGral's definition. Unless they get them horribly horribly wrong somehow.

DHS was a Cbill sink- they never tried to balance the game around SHS.

Maybe they will give the Cheetah some horrible quirks, like the bad torso twist of some Stalkers to balance it?

[Yokaiko]

Davers, on 18 March 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

DHS was a Cbill sink- they never tried to balance the game around SHS.

Maybe they will give the Cheetah some horrible quirks, like the bad torso twist of some Stalkers to balance it?

Guass rifles nerfs engine limits, and catapults were nerfed directly because of SHS.,

[GroxGlitch]

Davers, on 18 March 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

Do people really think PGI will add things like LFE engines that will make every IS engine in the game obsolete?

LFEs would hardly make every other IS engine obsolete. Besides, XLs already render Standards obsolete in effectively all but zombie chassi. Beside, as if PGI has any issue with obsolescence...
SHS -> DHS
IS ERSL -> Anything that isn't on a light
Standard Consumables -> Enhanced Consumables
Clan Wave II (sans Hellbringer) -> Clan Wave III (opinion)

The list goes on and on...

Zoid, on 18 March 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

I don't understand the issue here. Clanners have been crying that they can't change to standard engines and therefore a nerf is unfair, well here you go. If you lose a ST, your engine is effectively downgraded to a standard (20% less speed for the same weight).

So if you're really desperate for that standard engine, load all your weapons on one side and have someone shoot out your other side when the match starts. Boom, standard engine.

We're not really asking for standard options by themselves, so much as the ability to change our engines in general. This alone would make some of the less stellar performing chassis viable... such as both the Kitfox and the Adder.
Furthermore, the issue is that we Clan players don't need yet another nerf. So instead we're proposing what ends up effectively being a buff for the IS, though not really a game-breaking one, that evens the playing field and eliminates all the QQ going on.

[Mcgral18]

Davers, on 18 March 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

DHS was a Cbill sink- they never tried to balance the game around SHS.

Maybe they will give the Cheetah some horrible quirks, like the bad torso twist of some Stalkers to balance it?

Or "30 ton mech sized"....

[Davers]

Yokaiko, on 18 March 2015 - 06:19 PM, said:

Guass rifles nerfs engine limits, and catapults were nerfed directly because of SHS.,

wut?

I can't remember any of these things being nerfed because of SHS.

Mcgral18, on 18 March 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

Or "30 ton mech sized"....

You must mean proper Clan mech sizing, where 20 toners are taller than Stormcrows.

[stkxie]

As long as I get an option to swap to std engine....

[Drunk Canuck]

stkxie, on 19 March 2015 - 08:50 PM, said:

As long as I get an option to swap to std engine....

Your sig is ironic considering how many times Gyrok keeps complaining over Clan nerfs.

Edited by Drunk Canuck, 20 March 2015 - 05:50 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

The first who drop his XL engine for a STD engine in his Crow or TWolf - got a personal dinner with me (i pay)
OK you should have a "good" explanation - you should not do this to get a free meal
and i don't pay for your transport

Edited by Karl Streiger, 20 March 2015 - 05:40 AM.

[Gyrok]

Drunk Canuck, on 20 March 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

Your sig is ironic considering how many tears Gyrok keeps spilling over Clan nerfs.

I am not spewing tears at all...I am trying to erect a dam to hold back the IS tears about to flood the place over, and all those tears are for no good reason.

The problem, drunk, is you are drowning in the tears where you are standing...

Edited by Gyrok, 20 March 2015 - 05:50 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Karl Streiger, on 20 March 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

The first who drop his XL engine for a STD engine in his Crow or TWolf - got a personal dinner with me (i pay)
OK you should have a "good" explanation - you should not do this to get a free meal
and i don't pay for your transport

thats the issue karl, on these two mechs you would not do this, but on many others you would.

But giving out a general nerf because 3 chassis totally grab the entire benefit without any downsize, yes thats not fair.


could say the same: first that woudl equip his FS9 with a clan XL on FS9's Enginestocksize is getting a dinner, (i pay).

[Karl Streiger]

Lily from animove, on 20 March 2015 - 05:58 AM, said:

could say the same: first that woudl equip his FS9 with a clan XL on FS9's Enginestocksize is getting a dinner, (i pay).

hm - 210 C-XL.....as fast / slow as the Adder - better to take the Raven - becasue the Firestarter has jump jets....and 14t weapon load IS or not IS....is a force....oh Gauss on the Ember.... ok Wolverine, SHD and YLW are better for this - but you don't spare 15-20tons

as said before - don't see it as a nerf - its a "feature"
but the best you can ask for - just take the TOP 3 Mechs for the start and use the ST effect on them - so the "baddies" don't get another flaw

Edited by Karl Streiger, 20 March 2015 - 06:07 AM.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

Gyrok, on 17 March 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

please hold our hands against the big bad Inner Sphere

Can we add "Unlimited Ammo", "No Heat" and "Repair Drops" (for Clan Wolf only) , so the Pups have a chance to keep up?

Edited by Illya Arkhipova, 20 March 2015 - 06:10 AM.