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[Otto Cannon]

I didn't really like many of the Macross mechs, but I do really miss the Archer, and the Crusader was great if you enjoy apocalyptic ammo explosions.

[Impyrium]

Hollow Earth, on 17 April 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

I've been suggesting something like "parody" versions of the unseen with new names. They would still have the same stats and hardpoints as the originals. that way the originals won't have to be modified so (maybe) people wont think that the original designs will be ruined.
For me, i'm interested in the hardpoints for these mechs since the Warhammer, Archer and Crusader seem like really balanced designs to play with.
Some examples:
Warhammer = Greatsword
Archer = Streltsy
Crusader = Conqueror
Marauder = Raider
Phoenix Hawk = Flamebird
Rifleman = Minuteman
Longbow = Houyi

Nice ideas, but I'm pretty sure that it's not the names that are the problem but simply just the visual designs themselves.

Personally I think it's entirely possible to come up with new, different and perhaps better designs that reflect the originals while being different enough to not warrant a lawsuit. There's going to be those few that get angry that they're not original but people need to look at it logically. We can either:

- Stay 'pure' yet not have anything, or
- Accept necessary change and at least have the 'Mechs in game.

I don't think many of us are quite that stubborn though.

[Hollow Earth]

AUSwarrior24, on 17 April 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

Nice ideas, but I'm pretty sure that it's not the names that are the problem but simply just the visual designs themselves.

Personally I think it's entirely possible to come up with new, different and perhaps better designs that reflect the originals while being different enough to not warrant a lawsuit. There's going to be those few that get angry that they're not original but people need to look at it logically. We can either:

- Stay 'pure' yet not have anything, or
- Accept necessary change and at least have the 'Mechs in game.

I don't think many of us are quite that stubborn though.

Well they are going to get a new design as well. if i did not word it clearly enough, i meant to say these "parody" mechs will have new names and designs. but the Marauder will still be the Marauder while the Raider can look different without the nostalgia baggage of the "Glaug" Marauder while still performing the same.
I hope that clears things up.

[Ripper X]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 April 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

You have no idea of the shitstorm the "Old Guard" would cause on the forums if they didn't use the original design...

I be one of these "Old Guard" you speak of would love to see these redesigned mechs in MWO, as long as they still remain faithful to the "spirit" of the original mechs. Give us several designs of each mech and have the players vote on which ones.

[Bishop Steiner]

Sthtopokeon, on 17 April 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

Nope. I want something that is as close to the TRO3025 as possible or nothing at all.

I don't want my childhood memories ruined by some badly redesigned something.

Metus regem, on 17 April 2015 - 02:35 PM, said:

I'd say they did a great job with the MWO Centurion, what about you? What do you think of it?

It has all the feel of the TRO 3025 Centurion, but way more style.

considering ALL the MWO mechs are like..60-70% of the original art..aka, inspired by but improved, don't see the issue.

How close is that to this?


In actual detail? Not very. It captures the feel, the spirit, but ain't what's in the 3025 TRO.

Heck half the mechs in the 3025 TRO wouldn't even be able to move as drawn, especially the silly sack called a Marauder.

[Bishop Steiner]

YaKillinMeSmalls, on 17 April 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

You know, a skinny King Crab would look pretty good as a Marauder, IMO.

[LordBraxton]

find me someone who is freaking out about the idea of redesign? I consider myself a grognard and I dont mind reseen art.

[bad arcade kitty]

Hollow Earth, on 17 April 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

Archer = Streltsy

it's a plural form, a singular it's 'strelets'

also it's kind of interesting where you took it, because 'archer' was translated as 'strelets' before... it's a very incorrect translation btw, it's a word for pretty specific troops and streltsy used firearms and halberds, not bows

[Ironwolf67]

While I would love to play the original designs, I would be absolutely fine with a updated and aesthetically different design. The Hellbringer closely resembles the Warhammer so if the new design felt right, I'd gladly accept it even if it wasn't exactly cannon. Seventy tons, PPC arms, SRM-6 on the shoulder, medium and small lasers on the torso .... that's a Warhammer.

[Dirus Nigh]

Shimmering Sword did redesigns for the macross unseen. His Marauder is on the cover of a TRO. They look different, but still are immediately recognizable.

edit.
FYI, the warhammer in the MW5 teaser trailer was the first redesign by fanpro/CGL. HG still threatened with a law suit.

Edited by Dirus Nigh, 17 April 2015 - 07:12 PM.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

I would probably pay PGI more money than I should if they used Shimmering Swords Marauder.

[Bishop Steiner]

Sigilum Sanctum, on 17 April 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

I would probably pay PGI more money than I should if they used Shimmering Swords Marauder.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but that looks way more like a Marauder II than a Marauder. Far too bulky, IMO.

Needs to be gangly and insectoid, or it ain't a MAD, to me.

See? No one can agree, lol.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 April 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

You mean the Cataphract is the legal stand-in for the Marauder and the Warhammer's legal stand-in was the Thug? Just like Jager was the replacement for the Rifleman and the Archer was replaced by the Catapults. BTech is full of mechs that get deprecated by other mechs.

pretty much. The point being, we cannot have the exact mech ascetics due to licensing issue, and we already have nearly identical load-out duplicates, so I am not sure what is gained by adding a Marauder that looks different than the Robotech version, but has the same hard points as a Orion. Or the Warhammer isn't recognizable, and yet has the same hard points as a Cataphract. Or as you mentioned the Rifleman which is nearly identical to the Jagermech, And Archer to Catapult.

Granted there is only so much PGI can do with the ingrained hard point inflation, we already have mechs with nearly identical loadout capabilities. Which probably explains my proclivity towards stock mechs and reduced hard point inflation, to keep mechs more unique and differentiated.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 April 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

Needs to be gangly and insectoid, or it ain't a MAD, to me.

See? No one can agree, lol.

And have my elbows shot off by a stray MG bullet? No thank you

[Tarl Cabot]

The Timberwolf, aka as the Madcat by IS designation, was due to having the layout of a marauder and a catapult. Nothing says the autocannon has to be large and stick way up on top of the mech. Part of the iconic mech/robotech version is the "jet exhaust", and likely the structure and placement of the arms. And the name marauder is not part of the robotech name.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 17 April 2015 - 07:46 PM.

[DaZur]

I really..really dig both Alex's re-design as well as Bishops.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 April 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

I'd spend MC on "throwback" skins of all the old mechs prior to the drab green we got.

[Juodas Varnas]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 April 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

I'd spend MC on "throwback" skins of all the old mechs prior to the drab green we got.

I'd spend money on getting Inverse Kinematics back in the game.

[DaZur]

Juodas Varnas, on 17 April 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

I'd spend money on getting Inverse Kinematics back in the game.

QTF

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Juodas Varnas, on 17 April 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

I'd spend money on getting Inverse Kinematics back in the game.

You just had to me in the feels... my eyes are doing that watering thing...