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[Joseph Mallan]

Mardek, on 11 July 2015 - 04:54 AM, said:

Just throwing my 2 cents here: remove all weapon quirks and give to all the atlases +50% CT and 30% ST armor. Less on the ddc cause ecm

That would take all the challenge out of piloting an Atlas.

[Mardek]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2015 - 05:04 AM, said:

That would take all the challenge out of piloting an Atlas.

Last time you saw a non-ddc atlas was?
(Boars head during eventi dont count)

Edited by Mardek, 11 July 2015 - 05:17 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mardek, on 11 July 2015 - 05:14 AM, said:

Last time you saw a non-ddc atlas was?

Every drop I'm in.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 11 July 2015 - 05:17 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2015 - 05:04 AM, said:

That would take all the challenge out of piloting an Atlas.

A challenge does not require one to take an inherently inferior product and to attempt to defeat inherently superior products.

The Atlas in today's MWO, is largely like taking a Minor league, AA Team and facing them against the Royals or Cardinals. Like having a Tee-Baller bat against Madison Bumgarner in the World Series.

You have to be ON the same playing field for it to be a worthy challenge. The Atlas, currently is not. It's hands down the worst 100 tonner, and it on the bottom half of assaults period, only aided by the varying degrees of suck from the Awesome, and Pauls nerf bat moves to the HGN and VTR.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 July 2015 - 05:18 AM, said:

A challenge does not require one to take an inherently inferior product and to attempt to defeat inherently superior products.

The Atlas in today's MWO, is largely like taking a Minor league, AA Team and facing them against the Royals or Cardinals. Like having a Tee-Baller bat against Madison Bumgarner in the World Series.

You have to be ON the same playing field for it to be a worthy challenge. The Atlas, currently is not. It's hands down the worst 100 tonner, and it on the bottom half of assaults period, only aided by the varying degrees of suck from the Awesome, and Pauls nerf bat moves to the HGN and VTR.

I get a kill in 75% percent of the matches I drop in... That does not sound inherently inferior Bish. That is Commandos for me. Where in 40 matches I have 0 kills and 39 deaths. THAT shows inferiority at least in my handling of the Mech. Now StJobe would probably show that the Mech isn't inferior just the pilot(meaning me in a commando).

[Mardek]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2015 - 05:16 AM, said:

Every drop I'm in.

I dont belive you, sorry but i dont see an atlas k since open beta

[Joseph Mallan]

Mardek, on 11 July 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

I dont belive you, sorry but i dont see an atlas k since open beta

It was a faulty generalization on my part.
I don't own an Atlas-K, You asked How many drops do I see a Non D-DC Atlas in. Well I drop in an Atlas-S 95% of the time, So I see a Non D-DC almost every drop I am in.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 11 July 2015 - 05:34 AM.

[Sarlic]

Mardek, on 11 July 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

I dont belive you, sorry but i dont see an atlas k since open beta

Then you are not in my ELO bucket yet! I run it occasionally.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sarlic, on 11 July 2015 - 05:35 AM, said:

Then you are not in my ELO bucket yet! I run it occasionally.

Only reason I don't own an Atlas-K is it is a Kurita build, and I am playing my Faction.

[Sarlic]

But i get your point. The K. is the worst of the variant line up, yet the expensive one(?) (i think its around 13,000.000)

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2015 - 05:36 AM, said:

Only reason I don't own an Atlas-K is it is a Kurita build, and I am playing my Faction.

Ha, i only play the Atlas. All variants gets some milk, bread and bacon with egg. All are welcome here

[Speedy Plysitkos]

im playing DDC every second game.

[Mardek]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2015 - 05:33 AM, said:

It was a faulty generalization on my part.
I don't own an Atlas-K, You asked How many drops do I see a Non D-DC Atlas in. Well I drop in an Atlas-S 95% of the time, So I see a Non D-DC almost every drop I am in.

You know what i meant, and trolling will not bring more atlases in matches

[El Bandito]

Sarlic, on 11 July 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

But i get your point. The K. is the worst of the variant line up, yet the expensive one(?) (i think its around 13,000.000)

I'd rather pilot the K than the PoS known as the RS. I can at least support the team with dual AMS just by being there.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sarlic, on 11 July 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

But i get your point. The K. is the worst of the variant line up, yet the expensive one(?) (i think its around 13,000.000)


Ha, i only play the Atlas. All variants gets some milk, bread and bacon with egg. All are welcome here

Its that XL engine that jacks the cost up. And having the least number of PHs... Not a lot you can do with it is there?

[Sarlic]

El Bandito, on 11 July 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

I'd rather pilot the K than the PoS known as the RS. I can at least support the team with dual AMS just by being there.

Ha, never been fond of the RS as well. Although i liked the 2 LL plus 2 ML and 2 SRM6 plus AC10 build. You can expose half of your body to fire the LL and when things closer you take the other weapons to fire with.

But perhaps i should rebuild my RS again and fire it up with a decent loadout.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mardek, on 11 July 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

You know what i meant, and trolling will not bring more atlases in matches

The Point is I play almost exclusively in an Atlas as a mediocre player I Do my part 3 outta 4 matches I play in and the rest of the time, I make it so others can wrack up kills with less trouble. Its not the Mech that is at fault.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 11 July 2015 - 05:46 AM.

[Averen]

Sarlic, on 11 July 2015 - 04:23 AM, said:

It's not the mech, but these stupid quirks to begin with. Pilot experience is great and all. But Zeus have litteraly more armor then the Atlas.

That's quite silly, but that's why we're talking about quirks in the first place: Quirks are necessary to just create a false semblance of balance.

Btw, afaik it's only one Zeus variant, isn't it? Accidently the realmoney variant. Also shame on anyone who just assumed ulterior motives.^^'

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2015 - 05:45 AM, said:

The Point is I play almost exclusively in an Atlas as a mediocre player I Do my part 3 outta 4 matches I play in and the rest of the time, I make it so others can wrack up kills with less trouble. Its not the Mech that is at fault.

There is a grain of truth in it, tho: We have little reason to ever choose an Atlas over a crab. The atti's arms surely are nice shields, but 25% more twist and asymmetric weaponry are a bit nicer. I'm mostly using it for fun and because it's a bonus money variant.
Sometime I even take my AS7-D out! Dual UAC, PPC/laser support and 2 lonely SRMs FTW!

Edited by Averen, 11 July 2015 - 05:53 AM.

[Sarlic]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Its that XL engine that jacks the cost up. And having the least number of PHs... Not a lot you can do with it is there?

The K is excellent for mid to long range. I use it as a team- walker. Providing AMS support and dealing damage instead of kills. I never use XL's though.

Although the 3x LL plus AC20 is a fun build. But i find it lame, i don't use it.

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 11 July 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

I'd rather pilot the K than the PoS known as the RS. I can at least support the team with dual AMS just by being there.

RS owns the K. Dual AMS might have moderate viability in Underhive LRM warrior. Quad LL + Gauss and 325std RS still wrecks pretty well, and when playing Hivites, will be more useful than 2 AMS. Yes the BH obsoletes it, but only if you are wanting to spend 35 USD.

You want AMS as your reason for existence, grab a Kitfox with 3 and ECM, and leave your Assault slot for a mech that can actually assault something.

Sarlic, on 11 July 2015 - 05:45 AM, said:

Ha, never been fond of the RS as well. Although i liked the 2 LL plus 2 ML and 2 SRM6 plus AC10 build. You can expose half of your body to fire the LL and when things closer you take the other weapons to fire with.

But perhaps i should rebuild my RS again and fire it up with a decent loadout.

If you just plan to peek and poke your LL, upgrade to ERLLs. You won't likely be blending them with your short range all that much anyhow, and get much better useful range for poking.

RS is the only Atlas I'll run, so maybe I'm biased. But I find the mandatory face hugging range SRM reliant Atlases need a massive detriment, particularly without ECM.

And yes Joe, I know, "you do just fine in yours". But at your claimed damage levels you better be top 3 in your match every time, or you really aren't doing "fine", even at your comp level.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 July 2015 - 05:51 AM.

[Sarlic]

Averen, on 11 July 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

That's quite silly, but that's why we're talking about quirks in the first place: Quirks are necessary to just create a false semblance of balance.

Btw, afaik it's only one Zeus variant, isn't it? Accidently the realmoney variant. Also shame on anyone who just assumed ulterior motives.^^'

So a Grid iron can fire his gauss rifle about the double rate of speed while a Assault with the same gun fire less? Or a Huggin with SRMs with a coolrate quirk of about 25%? Or the Hunchback with the same tech as in my Atlas can fire his AC/20 much faster.

Give me that magical device and i will glue it my cockpit!

Quirks are stupid to begin with IMO. But mechs need it. Different thing is HOW quirks are being applied. I have never been fan of how PGI applies quirks. Sure without quirks alot of mechs wouldnt be on the field, but then again i would have rather seen a different solution to 'buff' mechs.

Edited by Sarlic, 11 July 2015 - 06:00 AM.