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[Gas Guzzler]

CrushLibs, on 12 May 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

Gas you must only play PUG drops and not CW. DW is crap in CW matches and only does decent in pug drops.

Yes lots of SC and TW since they are decently fast at 89 kph but a 53kph DW is garbage in CW.

Good thing there aren't any comp tourney drops in CW then!

Topper McGruff, on 12 May 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

Very amusing I am sure everybody here agrees there is NO IS META just like there is NO CLAN META. LOL Done with this argument. Have a nice Day.

There is an IS meta, the Clan meta just happens to be better

[CrushLibs]

Der Hesse, on 12 May 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

As always Clan Wolf players that denie the truth that they are sitting on the best mechs in game.

Best mechs in which game ?? CW or solo queue??

Clan lights slow and fewer hard points
Clan med has one decent mech the SC rest have few hard points or run tooo hot
Clan heavies -- MD and HB both lack ENDO but a decent overall TW runs hot but is best clan heavy
Clan Assaults -- DW great firepower but slow and easy to kill , Gar = POS , WH decent but torso is gimped with DHS.

IS has a laundry list of over quirked mechs to choose from , LCT, FS , Spiders and up the entire IS weight ladder

[Der Hesse]

CrushLibs, on 12 May 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

Best mechs in which game ?? CW or solo queue??

Clan lights slow and fewer hard points
Clan med has one decent mech the SC rest have few hard points or run tooo hot
Clan heavies -- MD and HB both lack ENDO but a decent overall TW runs hot but is best clan heavy
Clan Assaults -- DW great firepower but slow and easy to kill , Gar = POS , WH decent but torso is gimped with DHS.

IS has a laundry list of over quirked mechs to choose from , LCT, FS , Spiders and up the entire IS weight ladder

SC decent?
HB, TW decent and gimped?
Sir, we are not playing the same game!

[Gas Guzzler]

CrushLibs, on 12 May 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

Best mechs in which game ?? CW or solo queue??

Clan lights slow and fewer hard points
Clan med has one decent mech the SC rest have few hard points or run tooo hot
Clan heavies -- MD and HB both lack ENDO but a decent overall TW runs hot but is best clan heavy
Clan Assaults -- DW great firepower but slow and easy to kill , Gar = POS , WH decent but torso is gimped with DHS.

IS has a laundry list of over quirked mechs to choose from , LCT, FS , Spiders and up the entire IS weight ladder

Yes IS has better lights, no disputing that, but the Arctic Cheetah will shake things up a bit for sure.

I mainly refer to public type matches because that is typically what comp drops are like. In CW teamwork matters more than anything. If you can't use your 90 kph death ball to out maneuver and overwhelm the enemy then I don't know what to tell you.

[CrushLibs]

Gas Guzzler, on 12 May 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

Yes IS has better lights, no disputing that, but the Arctic Cheetah will shake things up a bit for sure.

I mainly refer to public type matches because that is typically what comp drops are like. In CW teamwork matters more than anything. If you can't use your 90 kph death ball to out maneuver and overwhelm the enemy then I don't know what to tell you.

Death balls work better in public matches than CW in CW you can bring 12 stalkers which tank and leg clan mechs very quickly. In public you can only take 3 assaults. I can tell you don't play much CW

Warhawk has gimped torso hard points or lack there of, I kill SC all the time in public matches its not the godlike impossible to kill like the Firestarters you can hit with a 72 alpha while its sitting still and just to have it turn and look at you and run off with no damage.

[Der Hesse]

Lol.....got that Gas? You don´t play much Cw! ^^
This guy knows it all. *rofl*

[Gas Guzzler]

CrushLibs, on 12 May 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

Death balls work better in public matches than CW in CW you can bring 12 stalkers which tank and leg clan mechs very quickly. In public you can only take 3 assaults. I can tell you don't play much CW

Warhawk has gimped torso hard points or lack there of, I kill SC all the time in public matches its not the godlike impossible to kill like the Firestarters you can hit with a 72 alpha while its sitting still and just to have it turn and look at you and run off with no damage.

I have played a lot of CW. I have a secret for you. Stalkers can get legged too. More easily in fact, because they are slow and have fat legs.

I don't seem to have that much of a problem with Firestarters. When I miss, I know its because I missed.

[Bront]

Wait, what? THe issue is clan population, not IS power.

[Genesis Rex]

I can see how the more aggressive Clan players would find the DWF difficult to pilot on attack. When Clans defend in CW, however, they're a nightmare to get around if positioned correctly. They move as fast as a well-stocked IS KGC, but with far more firepower to throw around. And if you protect said DWF with a couple of streak-crows then lights won't be an issue.

And I have to ask...does the HB's lack of endo- really matter when they commonly run Guass+ECM+2xER Large (or PPCs, depending on how you want your armor)? Granted they could run more weapons, but this is a talk of balancing isn't it?

Edited by Genesis Rex, 12 May 2015 - 08:59 AM.

[Bigbacon]

Kay Wolf, on 11 May 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

Drop Elo, get Battle Value, get rid of the 2300 limitation, make it unlimited, though both sides still have to drop within 5% of one another's BV total. Get rid of the tonnage limit, put in a BV limit. PGI, you are using so many systems that are unnecessary, are not working well, and are outside of good and existing rules. (SIGH!)

what would this change? the same people would just ***** about BV being wrong and they'd adjust them to meet NGNGs recommendations.... I mean Reddits recommendations..I mean..the minority of the player base.

[Brizna]

So my unit spends about two weeks discussing what is the official unit drop composition and we finally publish it in our forums, 6 days later its invalid, LMAO.

At least it made me chuckle, you got to admit the timing was magnificent for us

[grendeldog]

Three words: what the hell?

[Neutron IX]

[-MS-] successfully annihilated Clan Smoke Jaguar.

It wasn't the Inner Sphere drop decks that were OP after Tukayyid, by any means, or that the Clans were so much better than the Inner Sphere during Tukayyid. It was the fact that the best CW unit in the game was Clan Wolf for Tukayyid, and went Kurita afterward.

Respect to [-MS-].

[reign]

Rip Snorgan, on 12 May 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

[-MS-] successfully annihilated Clan Smoke Jaguar.

It wasn't the Inner Sphere drop decks that were OP after Tukayyid, by any means, or that the Clans were so much better than the Inner Sphere during Tukayyid. It was the fact that the best CW unit in the game was Clan Wolf for Tukayyid, and went Kurita afterward.

Respect to [-MS-].

This and everyone wants to play Stalker 4Ns right now. Till today (last night) KFC which was 20% of active CW players for CSJ was Davion.

MS was bought out by Prussian and now that the contract is over they are still in DC... Because the mech is just fun to play in CW.

My drop deck for IS (because DERP did the rounds for a while before BoT, 4N, Misery, 6k,Locust PB), we all know they are brilliant mechs for CW and people want to play them. So we have a huge population problem right now.

Everyone wants to be on the winning team.. *cough cough* DC *Cough Cough*... everyone wants to play the best mechs for CW. (and on the most organized TS ... Thank you hk server.) and their is no motiviation for population to shift.

So PGI has the following options

A. Break up the LL meta... Set down the LL to 2 instead of 3... very unpopular I would assume.

B. Bring Clan Large lasers to 3 ... OMG more large lasers... GAH!!!...

C. Bring other clan weapons into contention ... Russ Mentioned working on Clan Autocannons next month... not sure if it would be enough...

Right now I have no will to play CW, I want to play clan mechs... I love clan mechs... but I am better served dropping over to the HK servers and playing IS mechs.

And I know a few of you would love me to come join ya ... <3

(not that I would leave derp, just that I would lobby for them to go there next)

Edited by reign, 12 May 2015 - 09:36 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

reign, on 12 May 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

Right now I have no will to play CW, I want to play clan mechs... I love clan mechs... but I am better served dropping over to the HK servers and playing IS mechs.

And I know a few of you would love me to come join ya ... <3

(not that I would leave derp, just that I would lobby for them to go there next)

I'm a big fan of dropping in Clan mechs. I'm hoping NS eventually takes a Clan tour, maybe after the EJ and Executioner drop

[Wintersdark]

Daisu Saikoro, on 11 May 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

I must admit, when I heard this it made no sense to me or the people I was speaking to.

What is this supposed to solve?

I don't know, but what appears to be happenign here is that a lot of people are assigning motives to the change: It's because clanners whined! (I'm not aware of a single serious Clan player who complained about the 10t drop weight difference - there are a couple known whiners on both sides who'll complain no matter what happens, but I don't think Russ pays any attention to them - Even on twitter, most clan players where perfectly fine with the IS 10t bonus.) Other assumptions, too...

I don't think this is to fix anything. I don't think it's in "response" to anything, be it complaints, whines, Tuk scores, or anything else.

I think it's ultimately very simple: Few IS players actually used those 10t, and it didn't really have a big impact either way; Russ just wanted to put both back to an even keel and see how things played out. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

A small change to reset things to a normal base level, and observe.

[stealthraccoon]

How about we drop the weight requirement to 120 or so, then I might actually play CW.

Heck, let teammates use tonnage I don't need!

[Gabriel Phoenix]

I am very happy with this change. First of all no more 12 Thunderbolt for 4 waves. No more 3 wave jaggermech or 3 wave dragon. For those who said that the Timberwolf is Overpower is lies! Not when IS Dragon can equip three AC2 or dual Ac5 and shoot like their freaking machine gun. Jagger mech is for one word and that is Nonsense. Its nonsense because its broken as in OP and i don't even want to go in with the Thunderbolt with 6 med lasers. So Yay one for us clanner. Finally IS get a nerf and maybe we might start playing CW because i feel like we won the event and yet we got nothing to show expect for the map reset ( Which help IS more than Clan) with a little banner saying were number 1#( which does look nice but to bad you can't see it >:0 ).

[Sniper09121986]

Lawl, what a troll move by PGI, and such results! Hilarious discussion, just hilarious! Rage on, good sirs, hold nothing back! In the mean time let me throw in my 5 work credits.

My Clan deck rarely if ever hit the cap, so not much of a problem here. If any spheroid remembers, Clans have been nerfed by design from the very start, because there was no CW at all and all sides and factions played together in pub matches. Clearly if Clan mechs arrived in their full glory it would throw the balance out of the airlock, so PGI nerfed Clans to IS level. Obviously there are some gaps in Clan lineup at the moment that are filled with mechs in IS lineup, and all of these came to a head when both sides were pitched against each other in CW. To QUICKLY compensate for these to avoid just the kind of reaction that I am witnessing here, PGI implemented various debatable solutions, but once in a while they revisit the situation and try to even the playing field and break up some unnatural solutions that so called "pro gamers" invariably develop. That includes Clan laser-boating (for the lack of any other usable weapons) and STK-TBR boating (for the lack of desire to put any thought or effort in the game). The tonnage limits used to be equal not too long ago, remember?

My suggestions are two-fold. First, allow units to cross the IS/Clan border, like, once in two months with big penalties. These are two fundamentally different social systems, even much more so than Word of Blake and Republic of the Sphere (IIRC they both had mercs). That would still allow some flexibility but would also force mercs into actually planning their actions. Second, limit decks to only one mech of any single model (one RVN-3L prohibits another 3L, Huginn or whatever but still allows a Jenner, Panther or Flamestarter). I mean PGI implemented ghost heat to prevent boating of weapons (still not all weapons, mind you), then why on earth allow boating mechs?

[Jack Spade Ward]

Der Hesse, on 12 May 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

As always Clan Wolf players that denie the truth that they are sitting on the best mechs in game.

Are you serious? You want meta? Ok, here it goes

6 LL Stalkers (quirked)
7 MPL Thunderbolts (quirked)
Hunchies 4G (quirked)
almost every light IS mech (quirked) including the 8 SPL Firestarter
2 Gauss or 2 AC20 Kingcrabs (quirked)
Raven 3L (quirked)
4 SRM4 Griffen (quirked)
2 AC5 Dragon (quirked)

Do you want me to continue?
No clan mech can get close to those... we only won because we have the most OP weapon on the game, TEAM PLAY