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[IraqiWalker]

BSK, on 15 May 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:

Ok, then make it available in the shop. Including the name on the monitor.

The cockpit item? I guess they can make it available. I might be misunderstanding something here, but what exactly is your point?

[Desintegrator]

Great event !

[BSK]

IraqiWalker, on 15 May 2015 - 07:55 AM, said:

I might be misunderstanding something here, but what exactly is your point?

I guess you don't understand the point of a limited item.

We should change all Grid Iron to the Grid Iron Limited Edition, right?

[UberStuka]

I vote no....

if the pack goes back up for sale it shouldn't stay there forever.... maybe like a 2-3 day chance to grab it then close it again

[IraqiWalker]

BSK, on 15 May 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

I guess you don't understand the point of a limited item.

We should change all Grid Iron to the Grid Iron Limited Edition, right?

I wasn't sure if you were talking about the cockpit item, or the mech itself.

I used to be like that about these limited items, but in all honesty. I don't care anymore. The pricing for it wasn't marked up from what a medium hero if it's tonnage would cost, despite being "limited edition". So it's not really that special.

Now if the special geometry of the limited edition variant gave it some extra power, then sure, I can understand that needing to remain a limited item.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't understand or care for your opinion, or feelings related to the subject matter. I'm saying I personally don't care if my limited edition item is re-released again. At the end of the day, there will be a vote, and we'll see what happens.

[Appogee]

Hmmm.

If we Phoenix Owners vote 'yes' (as I intend to do) PGI gets to make more money selling old stuff.
But if we vote 'no' then PGI can't sell the old stuff.

Might need an independent authority to check the Hanging Chads on this vote

Edited by Appogee, 15 May 2015 - 08:15 AM.

[Ovion]

BSK, on 15 May 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

I guess you don't understand the point of a limited item.

We should change all Grid Iron to the Grid Iron Limited Edition, right?

Then neither do you, and you're a hypocrite.

Your argument is that it should be made available to the Phoenix Owners to upgrade if they wish, to get what they missed.

Then at the same time, you say limited means not being available again.

You can't have both, either it remains unavailable to retain the artificial exclusivity of it, or it becomes available again, removing that, as it's still been made available a second time.

And if that's the only reason you don't want it to be available, because you won't be such a special snowflake with your exclusive bonus and geometry on 4-6 mech chasis now being available to some other people, it is very petty.

[Boaz Roshak]

I am all for it as long as you treat the existing Phoenix package holders also as new package buyers and reissue all the content to them for the tier they had and allow for them to upgrade what they already have if not top tier already.

Edited by Boaz Roshak, 15 May 2015 - 08:29 AM.

[Darwins Dog]

I plan to vote yes, if the vote is opened. I didn't buy the phoenix package to have something that other people don't. I bought it because the Shadowhawk and Battlemaster were two of my favorites from TT. I bought it right away because I wanted the realy adopter rewards. I couldn't care less who else has the chance to buy it. My mechs are still worth the same to me, and if PGI is able to make a bit more money (cue the rants about cash grabs), then it's a good thing.

[IraqiWalker]

Ovion, on 15 May 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

Then neither do you, and you're a hypocrite.

Your argument is that it should be made available to the Phoenix Owners to upgrade if they wish, to get what they missed.

Then at the same time, you say limited means not being available again.

You can't have both, either it remains unavailable to retain the artificial exclusivity of it, or it becomes available again, removing that, as it's still been made available a second time.

And if that's the only reason you don't want it to be available, because you won't be such a special snowflake with your exclusive bonus and geometry on 4-6 mech chasis now being available to some other people, it is very petty.

Ovion, I enjoy your fervor, but I think you're getting too worked up. Just relax, and calm down.

[DAYLEET]

The real question is how many people would buy a pack of mechs that have been released 17 months ago, mechs that already have Heros? If you wanted any mech in the pack i would guess most people would have already bought them with either cbills or mc's.

Im an overlord owner and i don't care if others can buy it, all packs should be open forever without the preorder perks if there was any. But as a reward for an event it's kinda meak. "if you guys win i will be selling something you already own" "wow thanks ill be tucking that in my pocket!"


Remake a phoenix pack: yeah okay

Reward for a goal if you already own set item?: lame

[BSK]

Ovion, on 15 May 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

And if that's the only reason you don't want it to be available, because you won't be such a special snowflake with your exclusive bonus and geometry on 4-6 mech chasis now being available to some other people, it is very petty.

We were promised that loyality points for the chosen factions were already being gained when playing the (P) 'Mechs even though the CW system wasn't available on release of the Phoenix package.
We were granted the faction medals should already gather loyality points whenever we have them in our cockpit.

None of this happened when CW was relased, we got a fixed number of loyality points. A VERY low number. Maybe for balancing reasons to not put off new members.

But at least the limited option shouldn't be altered.

[wikkedj]

Just to clarify for myself...do you have to use the (P) variants for this event or is any variant of the Phoenix package usable?

[IraqiWalker]

wikkedj, on 15 May 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

Just to clarify for myself...do you have to use the (P) variants for this event or is any variant of the Phoenix package usable?

Wondering that myself.

[Soul Tribunal]

IraqiWalker, on 15 May 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

That one is silly. Unlike EVERY OTHER PACKAGE. The Founders one was a genuine risk, and created this game. I believe the phoenix package should be brought back, but the Founders is the only one that should NEVER be brought back. Founders took a giant risk on this game, and they started it's funding. FFS their names are in the credits. No one else should get to claim being a founder, when we're past the "founding" period.

I've never been really angry with PGI, but if they do bring back Founders, I will be furious (this is coming from someone who is not a founder, btw.)

Also, if you stop and take a look at literally every other package that isn't Phoenix, or founders, they are all available in the store. While the phoenix for some reason, isn't there.

I want one slight amendment to the Founders part, if I may. I do agree with you, and I also don't feel the need to duplicate the Phoenix, as I respect having something unique.

What I would like to see , is for those players whom have had accounts established since the Beginning (before Beta etc) have access to purchasing all the offered packs.
The reason I say this is because many of us signed up that long ago and for whatever reason didn't initially start our support for MWO (Mine was medical, the will was there but the body was in a hospital bed for the better part of a year).
Give those who signed up long ago a chance to make it right and get what we wanted to get initially. But otherwise, leave them all off the table.

My thoughts,

-ST

[Hayato1983]

How can anyone be ok with this? Its a game yeah sure, but this is a statement from a company that we want to respect and this is not the way to go. Look at Nvidias problem (eg: Nvidia arguing 4gb when was 3.5) as a toll; many bought the Phoenix pack for marketing and for being a one time thing, that alone is what sold the package to many. If I knew what the locust and shadow hawk were going to be I would not have bought the whole pack. It is not that we do not want them to make money, we do but there are other ways (right ways). This is cheap and an example of what is wrong with many companies. Simple as that, keep your word and make a new set of unseen these practices wont help costumer satisfaction XD.

No one should commit to something and then back on their word, that action alone leads to miss trust and revenues loss.

Edited by Hayato1983, 15 May 2015 - 09:18 AM.

[VtTimber]

This game could always use more cash injections... I'll vote yes, re-release the pack... Hell, even permanently.

[KodiakGW]

wikkedj, on 15 May 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

Just to clarify for myself...do you have to use the (P) variants for this event or is any variant of the Phoenix package usable?

Pretty sure it is just the (P) variants as the tournament started and they only have leaderboards for those mechs. The other mechs are not considered Pheonix mechs, just standard variants included in the package. Could you imagine the scores if they had a TDR-5SS and 9SE leaderboard?

[Gnume]

Twilight Fenrir, on 15 May 2015 - 05:00 AM, said:

Read the whole thing

Yes, it matters. Solo only, and not CW.

I did read the whole thing ... here, let me show you

If you notice this part:

InnerSphereNews, on 14 May 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

Kill Counter:

Get a Kill while piloting a Phoenix 'Mech to contribute to the Kill Counter.

If the Kill Counter reaches 65,000 kills by the end of the event, Phoenix owners will unlock the two Primary Phoenix Goals:

• all Phoenix medallions will receive a permanent Loyalty Point boost from 2.5% to 5%
  
• a poll will run for Phoenix owners to determine if the Phoenix Program will be available for sale again

There is no mention of what queue OR Game Mode at all

Then you have This part:

InnerSphereNews, on 14 May 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

Phoenix Leaderboards:

• You must play a Phoenix 'Mech to participate in the Phoenix Leaderboard Challenge
  
• Only your best 10 matches over the course of the event will be counted toward the Leaderboard
  
• Only Solo matches will be counted for these game modes: Assault, Skirmish, and Conquest
  
• Private matches and Community Warfare matches DO NOT count!
  
• Score Formula:
  
  • (Solo Kill x 30) + (Kill Most Damage x 20) + (Killing Blow x 10) + ( Kill Assist x 10) + (Win × 10) + (Loss × 5) + (Survive × 10) + (Dead × 5) + ((Damage done - Team Damage) ÷ 15)
• 1st Tie-Breaker: Number of Matches Played (Fewer is better)
  
• 2nd Tie-Breaker: Team Damage (Less is better)
  
• All Leaderboard prizes are awarded at the end of the event!

​

Which is its own section and heading, and THIS is where it specifically calls out Game Modes and Queue. So, taken as it is written, the Kill Counter is it's own "Challenge" with its own objectives and rewards and is totally different from the Leaderboard Challenge. Hence, I am seeking clarification.

Edited by CaptRosha, 15 May 2015 - 09:38 AM.

[Sereglach]

Ok, putting my original statement in here for the purpose of clarification and context:

Spoiler

Sereglach, on 14 May 2015 - 11:11 PM, said:

This is incredible. I look forward to participating. I don't know how well I'll do, but I'll be happy to knock out a lot of matches in my locust throughout the weekend. As much as I hate to do it, I'll probably be rebuilding it to match the quirks instead of the more lore-friendly build I have on it, now. That is, presuming I just can't seem to accomplish anything with my XL190, 4MG, AMS, ML build.

Now, if only we could get it so that Phoenix owners could have access to all of their badges and titles, up to the tier they own. I have a love/hate relationship with my Overlord Star.

I'm also in the camp of bringing back the founders program if we bring back the phoenix program. They were both meant to be limited time offerings. Had I discovered MWO during its inception, I would have happily shelled out the money to become a founder. You could even make it so that a renewed Founders program could offer Veterans 1 mech, Elites 2 mechs, and leave the Legendaries with all 4. Then, provide a "Redeem" section on the profile page to allow the first series of founders to choose the appropriate additions to their "Founder" bays.

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However, this also leads to the question: Is PGI planning on bringing all the packages back and eventually having them all in the Pre-Order store, like massive bundles people can purchase to cover all the bases and rapidly get into the game with everything they'd need to fill a CW drop deck? I'm not averse to this, and many other games do it. The "League of Legends" 'Starter', 'Champions', and 'Collector's' bundles; and the "Marvel Heroes" 'Hero', 'Team', and 'Mega' bundles all come to mind as prime examples of this.

I'm very much not averse to it. In fact I think it'd be incredible. I'd be particularly happy if they turned around and made a "Founders Wave II" with a special Commando, Centurion, Dragon, and Awesome in the style of the original (F) mechs.

I utterly stand by my statements that I want to see Phoenix Packages come back. People can claim their personal "exclusivity" and "but they said it'll never be sold again" all they want, I personally don't care. It's a game, and something needs to fund it. If people want to purchase packages that support the game, and give them access to full batches of mechs that'll prepare them for every weight class or full CW drop decks, or have nice "pseudo heroes" for grinding c-bills, then let them do it.

Now, as to what I said about wanting Founders to come back, too . . . people have put some very compelling arguments up here. I'm not averse to packages coming out that have the Founders mechs in them, but I'll concur with the fact that Founders did put out a much more significant risk to help MWO get off the ground. Now sorry, but founders didn't FUND the game, PGI did have a publisher, IGP, who shelled out the majority of opening funding. Russ even admitted to the "crowdfunding" debacle of IGP's press releases in one of his first town halls, because IGP wanted the good press.

That being said, the concept of putting together "Founder" mechs into packages for our purchase would be great, and should be done. Now, to allow Founders to maintain the prestige of the risk they took to help get MWO off the ground, you do something a little different. Call them "Succession Wars" or "Star League" packs, make them (S) variants of Founders mechs instead of (F), and release them in "Succession Wars" or "Star League" packs for people to purchase bundles of those mechs. You could even put together "Succession Wars Wave II" or "Star League Wave II" and have the Commando, Centurion, Dragon, and Awesome with their own (S) variants in the way of the Founders (F) variants.

Many, MANY free-to-play games have bundles of wide varieties to help people get their "garages", "collections", or "rosters" off the ground. The more variety that PGI can put together for these selections the better, is an excellent move, and will help boost their game. I think they should do it, and I think we, as people who want to play this game and see MWO succeed, should support that. At the very least, we should bring the Phoenix Packages back. That's where my vote will go.