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[MischiefSC]

I'm going to come out and say it though -

That PGI both caught and banned the cheaters, plus made it public makes my nipples hard.

I know I'm not the only one.

[PoorDecisions]

Ovion, on 27 May 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

Has your friend regularly streamed anything?
Did they ever suddenly improve for some reason?

He doesn't stream, I don't think, but he's not a new member and we've all spectated him on multiple occasions while dead during matches. He's not an uber player, either, which is part of the reason why I'd like to see the evidence instead of throwing my hands up and going WELP...

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Whatever it was, obviously showed suspicious activity, AND tripped the system in a few places, AND probably showed different files on their installation on a probe.

That's what I'm asking. I'd like to see this video-if it even exists-or be told exactly what he was caught doing. At this point, he's been given no information other than a boot out the door. That's not fair to anyone, including people still playing the game.

Heffay, on 27 May 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

I know it's difficult to accept, but consider the odds that PGI is just guessing, or your unit mate is lying to you.

Facepalm. No S***, you don't say? Why do you think I'm in this thread? You're parroting an idea that I've said repeatedly. That's WHY I'm here asking to know what these people were banned for and asking to see this so-called video footage proving my unit mate's guilt.

[Heffay]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

That's what I'm asking. I'd like to see this video-if it even exists-or be told exactly what he was caught doing. At this point, he's been given no information other than a boot out the door. That's not fair to anyone, including people still playing the game.

You're probably not going to get it. That might give other people an idea of what PGI is looking for, and make detection in the future more difficult.

Why don't you wait to hear from him before putting down any stakes?

[WatDo]

I just came here to say, holy crap... sixtyfour players. We only have a few thousand regular players and that's being generous. Sixtyfour players cheating is huge.

I figured cheating in this game was super rare, maybe a dozen players is what i would've expected. Really makes me wonder about some matches i've had.

Glad they're catching 'em though. Hopefully they squish all the cheaters.

Edited by WatDo, 27 May 2015 - 03:41 PM.

[Ingvay]

Mycrus, on 27 May 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

Is cheating against your unit charter?

Yep. It's certainly a slap in the face to the unit per say... ;-(

[Piney II]

Don't hold your breath waiting to see the videos, because I seriously doubt PGI will roll them out. I suspect they caught some coding in his client and used the videos to confirm what they caught.

This is a serious move for PGI, so I doubt that they just guessed based on game video.

[PoorDecisions]

Heffay, on 27 May 2015 - 03:39 PM, said:

You're probably not going to get it. That might give other people an idea of what PGI is looking for, and make detection in the future more difficult.

Why don't you wait to hear from him before putting down any stakes?

Again, that's why I'm here: to ask for proof. I don't see why you continue to reply. I don't like having to say over and over and over that I don't believe either side just yet. It makes me feel stupid, like you're not reading my posts.

[jackal40]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

That's what I'm asking. I'd like to see this video-if it even exists-or be told exactly what he was caught doing. At this point, he's been given no information other than a boot out the door. That's not fair to anyone, including people still playing the game.

I would HIGHLY doubt that you will ever see what you are asking for. Mainly because this would expose the methodology used to detect said cheaters and allow those selling the cheats/hacks to improve their techniques.

That being said - only those banned have any expectation to an explaination or proof.

+1 PGI, color me favorably impressed!

[DAYLEET]

MischiefSC, on 27 May 2015 - 03:36 PM, said:

I'm going to come out and say it though -

That PGI both caught and banned the cheaters, plus made it public makes my nipples hard.

I know I'm not the only one.

[Bilbo]

Ingvay, on 27 May 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

Yep. It's certainly a slap in the face to the unit per say... ;-(

No reason to cast blame on an entire unit unless all of them were found to be cheating.

[Heffay]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

Again, that's why I'm here: to ask for proof. I don't see why you continue to reply. I don't like having to say over and over and over that I don't believe either side just yet. It makes me feel stupid, like you're not reading my posts.

And we keep telling you why you aren't going to get it. I don't see why you continue to reply. I don't like having to say over and over and over that it's a bad idea for PGI to give people an idea how to circumvent the detection.

Edited by Heffay, 27 May 2015 - 03:45 PM.

[Milocinia]

The H***** hack tool will be the one which has been singled out here. If it's used in conjunction with MWO it will leave a definite footprint.

From Russ' response I imagine that not only have they looked specifically for the usage of this certain tool but also looked statistically for it as well as using personal observations of those players.

I'm confident that these bans are 100% justified because I believe PGI want to be certain of it themselves too.

[Dirus Nigh]

[Johnny Z]

Heffay, on 27 May 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

And we keep telling you why you aren't going to get it. I don't see why you continue to reply. I don't like having to say over and over and over that it's a bad idea for PGI to give people an idea how to circumvent the detection.

They cant circumvent detection. These are computers lol. Also I suspect this is another warning shot to anyone else cheating that wasnt banned. I wont go into all the measures I am aware of but they cant avoid detection.

[Nightmare1]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

This doesn't make sense.

There needs to be an active process that's checking for code injection. You don't just go back and "look at the logs."

Why would you need video evidence to begin code checking? There are thousands of games per day. You can't spectate anywhere close to a reasonable number of players to determine who needs to be "code checked" if things worked the way you hypothesize. That's just not how things work.

When you report someone, you also report the match time, game mode, map, etc. That allows them to pinpoint the match effectively.

This is all info that's been up on the forums for some time now.

[RussianWolf]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

Again, that's why I'm here: to ask for proof. I don't see why you continue to reply. I don't like having to say over and over and over that I don't believe either side just yet. It makes me feel stupid, like you're not reading my posts.

As Jackal just said, You don't have a right to see their proof as it doesn't involve you. So, you will never be privy to it.

Your unit mate might get a look, but even that is iffy depending on how close they want to play it to the vest for reasons of not aiding in circumvention.

[PoorDecisions]

Heffay, on 27 May 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

And we keep telling you why you aren't going to get it. I don't see why you continue to reply. I don't like having to say over and over and over that it's a bad idea for PGI to give people an idea how to circumvent the detection.

Oh, okay, you're just here to troll. I should have seen it sooner.

RussianWolf, on 27 May 2015 - 03:51 PM, said:

As Jackal just said, You don't have a right to see their proof as it doesn't involve you. So, you will never be privy to it.

Your unit mate might get a look, but even that is iffy depending on how close they want to play it to the vest for reasons of not aiding in circumvention.

Facepalm x2

I'm not claiming to have a right.

I'm asking in the spirit of good-natured open management if PGI would be willing to share the videos. You guys are very good at arguing against the strawman.

[RussianWolf]

Nightmare1, on 27 May 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

When you report someone, you also report the match time, game mode, map, etc. That allows them to pinpoint the match effectively.

This is all info that's been up on the forums for some time now.

It would really help if they put the match ID in the end game screen, or somewhere. That would help pinpoint the matches much more quickly, We know they have the ability from the challenges that have been run.

[Piney II]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 03:52 PM, said:

Oh, okay, you're just here to troll. I should have seen it sooner.

And you're just not getting it - you don't have a dog in this fight, so you are never going to see anything from PGI. Your friend needs to take this up with PGI, and I suspect he'll lose the battle. This isn't some flippant move on PGI's part. I'l bet they made sure that their bans will be airtight and beyond dispute.

[stjobe]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

So, I'm disheartened to see my unit's name sullied on this list. However, that unit member maintains their innocence (of course). Russ apparently is claiming that he's seen video footage that proves that the member is guilty. Are these proof videos going to be provided for the general public to observe or are we going to have to take Russ's word for it?

Let me be clear - bans were about Wallhack, aimbot exclusively any information to contrary are deliberately misguiding you
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