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[Templar Dane]

1453 R, on 28 May 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

BEH.

They need to knock that off, mang. The GigaShotgun is so much fun, and this woulda been such a great delivery platform for it. Freg. Stupid locked internals...and the Spheroids keep saying those're a nonissue for inter-tech balance...Y_Y

Kinda silly the LB20 takes up another slot over an UAC20.

In CW one will be able to do a dropdeck of 3x HBR and a Scat.

[STEF_]

I'm sorry but, .....why does ppl compare the 2LPL+6mg shadowcat with the arrow?

[Templar Dane]

Stefka Kerensky, on 28 May 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'm sorry but, .....why does ppl compare the 2LPL+6mg shadowcat with the arrow?

Same tonnage, both have jumpjets, and that's the most common fit on the arrow?

[H I A S]

Jumpsniper like a hotter Blackjack with ECM.

[STEF_]

lordtzar, on 28 May 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

Same tonnage, both have jumpjets, and that's the most common fit on the arrow?

The weaponry and JJ. That's all.

Most important: the ECM and more speed.
Moreover I think it would have better hardpoint location for LPL, and better hitboxes too.

edit: I'm really thinking about a good masc, giving it at least 140 kph, tbh

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 28 May 2015 - 01:31 PM.

[Sable]

Come on OP... you're going about this all wrong. You're thinking about the mech in the wrong way, as a stormcrow substitue and trying to apply the current meta to this mech. You need to change the way you think about combat in the shadowcat. The Shadowcat is a buffed up Raven. fast, scouting, stealthy, low profile assassin/sniper mech; only this one has more of a punch. So you need to think about your build with that in mind. You aren't ment to go up against a mech like the timberwolf in a straight up brawl. You need to keep the fast/stealthy/highly maneuverable aspect in mind when you engage. Hit and runs mixed in with long range sniping. There's no need to redesign the mech hardpoints. Use whats there and your "imagination" and some creativity to come up with a whole new playstyle. Stop trying to apply the same mold to every mech. It just doesn't work like that.

[Pariah Devalis]

• ERPPC (or LPLas, choose your poison), 2 ERMLas, 2 SSRM4, ECM
  
• LPLas, 2 MPLas, 2 SRM4, ECM
  
• 2 ERMLas, 3 SSRM6, ECM
  
• Gauss, 2 ERSLas, ECM
  
• 2 MPLas, 3 A-SRM6, ECM
  
• 2 LPLas, ERMlas, ECM
  
• 2 ERMLas, 3 LRM10, ECM
  
• ...

I think the mech should prove to be a fun skirmishing platform. I would be hesitant to bring it into a brawl unsupported only because of its tonnage, but even in that role it could prove capable assuming the mech has appropriate support in its group. Heat issues under sustained engagement seem like they might be prevalent across multiple build variations, which further shifts the chassis to the hit and fade approach, but this fits with the mech's purpose in the first place anyways.

Personally I am a fan of either variation of the first variant above. Can leverage the high shoulder energy point to hit and fade fast, and, if anything gets close, including 5xSSRM6 Stormcrows, the MASC and ECM kick in. Can hover outside of Active Probe range and just keep pouring ERMLas and SSRM4 fire into the Crow while playing keepaway, letting your ECM jam the 'crow's SSRMs in turn. If anything smaller and faster comes, the SSRMs should be a good deterrent, and, heat willing, an ERPPC/LPLas shot or two can give them a reason to reevaluate their life choices.

The IFR is a fun skirmisher, but lacks the pod space to do much with. This has the pod space and bonus ECM, jump jets, with situationally the same speed, and superior hardpoint locations.

Also, you can go full pants on head ******** with it and pull something like 6 MG, 1 LPlas, 2 A-SRM6 for the lulz.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 28 May 2015 - 02:16 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

lordtzar, on 28 May 2015 - 01:13 PM, said:

Kinda silly the LB20 takes up another slot over an UAC20.

In CW one will be able to do a dropdeck of 3x HBR and a Scat.

Yeah.. TT rules and all

[Rocket Angel]

Here's what I'm looking at taking with 16 tons~

ECM
LPL
2 ERML
2 SRM6 (2 tons of ammo)
2 DHS

This build would make a great skirmisher~ Able to take advantage of stealthy mid-range sniping courtesy of ECM, the high mounted LPL and cockpit level ERMLs. Hopefully it's size will be scaled really well to skirmish/snipe too. Having 6 jump jets will allow it to get into some nice perches to snipe, flank, or evade less capable enemies. Combined with the SRMs, it will have a great close range alpha when making passes on enemies with MASC. While I prefer torso mounted SRMs, the arm mounts will let you strafe enemies when jumping over them or aiming high above or below you. There's also a little wiggle room with tonnage to let you pick up a TC, Artemis, more ammo, or just keeping it cool~ I'm really looking forward to it!

[CrushLibs]

all the clan mechs that are being release are "ok" but nothing special or kinda suck like the Gargoyle.

Even the Ebon Jag is boarder line on being any good. Way too many locked parts like JJs and DHS and then you are stuck with your engine too.

Rocket Angel, on 28 May 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Here's what I'm looking at taking with 16 tons~

ECM
LPL
2 ERML
2 SRM6 (2 tons of ammo)
2 DHS

Good luck using SRMs without ARTY you can't kill squat due to spread and 2 tons is at best 400 dmg and 16 shots need a min. of 20-25 shots for weapons that cycle in the 3-4 sec range best to find 1/2 - 1 ton more ammo.

Edited by CrushLibs, 28 May 2015 - 02:36 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

CrushLibs, on 28 May 2015 - 02:24 PM, said:

all the clan mechs that are being release are "ok" but nothing special or kinda suck like the Gargoyle.

Even the Ebon Jag is boarder line on being any good. Way too many locked parts like JJs and DHS and then you are stuck with your engine too.

I actually think the Ebon Jag is going to be a Tier 1 heavy, alongside the Timber Wolf and the Hellbringer.

[Mcgral18]

Gas Guzzler, on 28 May 2015 - 02:28 PM, said:

I actually think the Ebon Jag is going to be a Tier 1 heavy, alongside the Timber Wolf and the Hellbringer.

Hitboxes will dictate that; it has the firepower and hardpoints (moderately) high mounted. Some filler SLs might be needed, but pretty good overall from the concept art (including a Gauss on top of the cockpit)


Catapult or Stalker or Timberwolf

Big enough differences in durability, even with the similar shape between them. It's the same weight as the Catapult.

[C E Dwyer]

Let me get this straight

Your telling us that a 45 ton clan mech isn't bad, but will have to compete with a mech 10 tons heavier.

Thats like saying the Blackjack isn't bad but will have to compete with a Shadowhawk

[Lanancuras]

CrushLibs, on 28 May 2015 - 02:24 PM, said:

all the clan mechs that are being release are "ok" but nothing special or kinda suck like the Gargoyle.

Even the Ebon Jag is boarder line on being any good. Way too many locked parts like JJs and DHS and then you are stuck with your engine too.

Ebon Jaguar doesn't have any JJs. And as it stands it has more free tonnage for equipment than any other Clan heavy including the Timber Wolf while being 10 tons lighter. And I believe one of the side torso omnipods even comes with a laser pod a la the TBR-A. I think the Ebon Jaguar will be an excellent mech and a serious contender for the Timber Wolf as the best Clan heavy.

Expect to see a lot of 2x EBJ 2x SCRs or 3x EBJ 1x SHC dropdecks in CW from the people that got the EBJ package or higher.

[Gas Guzzler]

Lanancuras, on 28 May 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

Ebon Jaguar doesn't have any JJs. And as it stands it has more free tonnage for equipment than any other Clan heavy including the Timber Wolf while being 10 tons lighter. And I believe one of the side torso omnipods even comes with a laser pod a la the TBR-A. I think the Ebon Jaguar will be an excellent mech and a serious contender for the Timber Wolf as the best Clan heavy.

Expect to see a lot of 2x EBJ 2x SCRs or 3x EBJ 1x SHC dropdecks in CW from the people that got the EBJ package or higher.

If my unit is still Clan on June 16, my deck will be Executioner, Ebon Jag, Stormcrow, Mist Lynx

[Shatara]

lordtzar, on 28 May 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

doesn't suffer from any negative quirks.......

...yet.

[Moldur]

Everyone be quiet. The Shadowcat will be awesome.

[Brody319]

You could do 3 Jaguars and a Shadcat and be at 240 tons for CW.

[LordNothing]

seven machine guns

[Sigilum Sanctum]

SHADOW CAT
SHADOW CAT

DOES WHATEVER, A SHADOWCAT DOES.
ECM!
GAUSS RIFLE!

YEEEEAAAH

HERE COMES THE SHADOWCAAAAAAAT!

Ok I'm done, now. I'm sorry, Ill show myself out.

P.s. Its gonna be great, screw you nay-sayers.