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[ArchMage Sparrowhawk]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 June 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

I'd pay to get some mechs that could jump miles high in this game.

*sigh* and now back into the crying training simulator I go.

[Eboli]

bad arcade kitty, on 09 June 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

oh, i feel sorry for you

it's a different thing though

albeit it's the same word 'cheat' used, cheating in relationships it's a kind of disloyalty i.e. a betrayal while cheating in a game it's just getting an unfair advantage over your enemies, it's completely another thing imo

Wow - never thought I would ever agree with you on something bad arcade ktty...

[Bad Electric]

At this point the game is practically unplayable with the cheats people are using. 4 out of 5 team fights you run into the same teams whose mechs don't take damage. Having invested over $1,200.00 in this game (conservative estimate) I am wondering when PGI is going to take concrete steps to stop the abuse of their paying customers.

this is ridiculous!

[Kiiyor]

Jabilo, on 09 June 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

They should be banned for for life. Every alt account. Now and for ever.

What sort of message does it send to potential cheaters if they are allowed to continue to play and pollute our game and community?

It says "in the unlikely event you are caught you can escape the worst consequences of your actions so why not try again".

It also says "we will not take action that will stop us earning money from these guys when they buy back in with mech packs. Money is more important to us than keeping the game clear of cheaters for the benefit of honest players."

Next time they will be careful not to build up their accounts to much. They will limit their new accounts just to the mechs they need to play competitively to limit their financial loss if and when they are caught again. Rinse and repeat.

They are scum and should be named, shamed and shunned by the community.

I feel the same, but a LOT of those cheaters were founders, and likely lost a lot of cash, time and effort when their accounts were revoked.

While they can still cheat, if they are caught they stand to lose whatever it is they have managed to earn.

Think about it; mechs, equipment, engines, modules... it takes a lot of cash and time to get a decent CW dropdeck under you, and even if they roll a new account, it will take them time to get back on their filthy cheating feet.

i'm not saying I don't want a more... permanent... punishment, but banning an account isn't a small thing, especially if a lot has been invested into it.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"After reading her forum posts, you actually fell for that one? Dude, seriously?"

Well, I have contempt for her for bringing SJW GamerGate nonsense into my entertainment. So, recognizing my own bias against her, I'm probably over-compensating too far in the other direction in an attempt to be fair.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 09 June 2015 - 05:17 PM.

[Mordric]

if someone gets banned they should have a tag put on that account and or E-mail/ address and put on a list to watch..

[MechWarrior3671771]

Wildstreak: "No other explanation for what happened 'dude.' Even LRMs cannot magic lock you under those circumstances plus you have the Radar Deprivation module equipped like I did."

Was it Conquest? I run an LRM5 on an ECM Raven with BAP and Adv Target Decay for that mode only. With a low ping, I start the match sooner than most and often go deep immediately to get behind the enemy. I often do "ams checks" on people who think they are completely hidden. Its possible that someone like me got in behind you in the first minute of the game.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 09 June 2015 - 05:26 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Fenrisulvyn, on 09 June 2015 - 05:17 PM, said:

"After reading her forum posts, you actually fell for that one? Dude, seriously?"

Well, I have contempt for her for bringing SJW GamerGate nonsense into my entertainment. So, recognizing my own bias against her, I'm probably over-compensating too far in the other direction in an attempt to be fair.

oh, that person is barely a sjw, i met a way funnier sample, that player had [girl] team tag and a script which posted 'girl power' in /all chat after their each kill. when i laughed at them and said that scripts of that kind are probably forbidden, that player in revenge added my name to their script so the next game when i met them they announced my kills that way too, but seeing no reaction on my part (i don't feed trolls when i'm not in a mood to throw fits) removed me from it later

[Deathlike]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 09 June 2015 - 01:08 PM, said:

I'm actually the only one betting she's not going to cheat until AFTER the marriage is official. Lol.

I believe you're seriously on an island on that.

Besides, you'll NEVER be able to collect (well, unless there's a length of time of the marriage to consider, but you have the sucker's bet).

PGI's going to milk the cheaters for what they are worth..... so I don't see the originating bans as a deterrent.

Sometimes I wonder why some people are so naive to the reality of online gaming... it's not as if online gaming was a new thing.

[krash27]

mailin, on 09 June 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

Yeah the sensor range modules and things stack. As far as the spotter, I can't tell you how many times I've been the spotter and not been spotted. I know the enemy is getting really frustrated, because I can see them looking around. A good spotter spots without being spotted no matter how many other spotters are trying to spot the spotter and they soon realize their best efforts are spotty at best.

Wait what??
But did they spot the spotter?

[jaxjace]

ban them if their IP matches the old IP

[FaceRipt]

Wildstreak, on 09 June 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

I would not be surprised if they are coming back. I had matches where I was getting shot with LRMs when
- I was behind cover from all enemies.
- I was not NARCed.
- they had no hidden spotters, I checked.

When this happens look for a uav. I promise if you look hard enough you will find it.

[Zeusus]

Kristov Kerensky, on 09 June 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

As I said, there are hardware bans that can't be spoofed, BIOS is the probably the best option, and they won't be writing to your BIOS, simply accessing it to get the IDs and crosscheck them. Your reaction says volumes however, as it's the TYPICAL reaction from most people.

This game can access your BIOS if PGI so desired, you gave them permission already, it doesn't however, no game does, they can however. Once EA realizes how much money they are losing, we'll see if they authorize EvenBalance to have PunkBuster do what's needed, who knows.

HWID can be done that can't be spoofed, the way around the HWID ban currently does NOT get you access to your account again, it simply lets you create a new account by actually changing the HWID info your OS gives out. THAT is the problem, it's an OS check so it can be spoofed. There are other ways to get the IDs that aren't open to spoofing...do what needs to be done.

My reaction is typical of people who know how failable software is. Its not as easy as you think.

Edited by Zeusus, 09 June 2015 - 07:18 PM.

[Mycrus]

Dimento Graven, on 09 June 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

Totally agree, hackers only use weapons that require "aim".

LRMs and Streaks... Those are ALREADY computer guided, no hack required.

You seem to know a lot about the dark arts...

[Kristov Kerensky]

Zeusus, on 09 June 2015 - 07:15 PM, said:

My reaction is typical of people who know how failable software is. Its not as easy as you think.

I'm IT, I know exactly how easy it is, it's a matter of DOING it, because once you actually do that, they can't come back and spend more money, and I don't think PGI is willing to do that. They've KNOWN of the hacks for MWO since CB, it's not something new that just suddenly came about in the last few months. It's taken them years to even ADDRESS the issue, much less do something about it. I don't see them taking the final steps to make hack bans perm via solid HWID bans that can't be spoofed, and they can...but...money!

[bad arcade kitty]

i'm pretty sure any program which tries to mess with stuff like bios etc may have problems with antiviruses and the company which make it can even be 100% legally sued

[Zeusus]

Kristov Kerensky, on 09 June 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

I'm IT, I know exactly how easy it is, it's a matter of DOING it, because once you actually do that, they can't come back and spend more money, and I don't think PGI is willing to do that. They've KNOWN of the hacks for MWO since CB, it's not something new that just suddenly came about in the last few months. It's taken them years to even ADDRESS the issue, much less do something about it. I don't see them taking the final steps to make hack bans perm via solid HWID bans that can't be spoofed, and they can...but...money!

Then you should also be aware of the legal quagmire this would be, especially outside NA. Anything not a legal mess is spoofable.

[Dimento Graven]

Mycrus, on 09 June 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

You seem to know a lot about the dark arts...

Yeah, I'm a lesbian on my father's side.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"So how about YOU guys "man up" and get your nose out of people's business."

You made it our business when you asked us to believe you were wrongly banned because you innocently used your account on your boyfriend's computer, not knowing he had hacks installed. Now its looking like that wasn't the truth. You were cheating.

You also made it our business when you cheated playing against us. Have some fricken shame.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Okay, here's the answer to my original question:

"At this time we are not strictly prohibiting these players from creating new, legitimate accounts. Continuing to use these tools under new accounts will result in escalated action being taken, when possible."

I'm not so sure about this policy. As others have said, its a game of cat and mouse between PGI and whoever makes these cheats. Some people are saying the Hacker Company has already patched its tools against PGIs latest detection methods.

What this means is that the rest of us have to deal with cheaters until PGI catches back up. That's not acceptable.