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[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

KiraOnime, on 29 June 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Convince me otherwise if you disagree.

Why? Because low-slung hardpoints? Guess what, Dire has low slung hardpoints, so does Timberwolf, and timby's considered top tier.

Seriously, if you want to decry mechs as being DOA, please...have a better reason than low slung hardpoints... that's really not a reason.

[Hit the Deck]

Is this not good enough?

Spoiler

Hit the Deck, on 30 June 2015 - 02:58 AM, said:

Sitting perfectly between the Warhawk and Executioner, at 90 tons the HGN-IIC will bring something new to the Clan's Assault stable since it has the freedom of IS' construction rules. It can also equip (3) Jump Jets which will augment its somewhat hampered mobility because of the slow speed (but still decent for an Assault with XL 325 at 64.3 kph tweaked).

First, some basic stats with an XL 325 equipped (free tonnage/free crit):

• Standard: 45/43
  
• Endo: 49/36
  
• Endo+Ferro: 52/29

I rounded up the numbers for easy viewing!




The "basic" or "Prime" variant has 1B, 3E, and 3M which is perhaps one of the most flexible among her sisters. A sample loadout (from now on all of them has XL 325):

HGN-IIC "t3h Meta":

• Endo
  
• 1x cGauss on RA with 4 tons of ammo (16 tons, 10 crits)
  
• 3x cLPL on LT (18 tons, 6 crits)
  
• 1x TC1 (1 tons, 1 crit)
  
• 8x DHS (8 tons, 16 crits)
  
• 3x JJs (6 tons, 3 crits)
  
• Total = 49 tons, 36 crits

We skip the A-variant and jump straight to the B because it has 4M which can potentially be an alternative to the WHK as a missile boat. Not having to carry 10 fixed DHS can create a first to be seen build such as:

HGN-IIC-B "Not your typical LRM boat ":

• Endo
  
• 4x cLRM15+A on RT, LA with 8 tons of ammo (26 tons, 20 crits)
  
• 1x cGauss on RA with 3 tons of ammo (15 tons, 9 crits)
  
• 1x cMPL on LT (2 tons, 1 crit)
  
• 1x cTAG on LT (1 ton, 1 crit)
  
• 3x JJs (6 tons, 3 crits)
  
• Total = 50 tons, 34 crits

Alternatively, you can swap the cMPL and TAG with 2x cERML and a cAP, or take a cERLL with TAG but you have to bring 1 JJ less.




Moving on to the "P2playearly" variant, the:

HGN-IIC-C "Not yet a Whale":

• Endo
  
• 2x cUAC/10 on RA with 6 tons of ammo (26 tons, 14 crits)
  
• 2x cERLL on LT (8 tons, 2 crits)
  
• 1x cERML on LT (1 tons, 1 crit)
  
• 8x DHS (8 tons, 16 crits)
  
• 3x JJs (6 tons, 3 crits)
  
• Total = 49 tons, 36 crits

I'll leave the 4E+3M B-variant for now.




Overall, the IIC Highlander gains far better flexibility compared to her IS sister thanks to Clan scientists who gave her ClanTech^TM. Most importantly, she can now mount adequate numbers of JJs for jumping without worrying about her firepower!

Since the arrival of EXE, Mr. IS Highlander is even more sad now.


EDIT: this is assuming that the IICs have floating or dynamic structure/armor slots like IS 'Mechs.

[masCh]

Alistair Winter, on 30 June 2015 - 02:21 AM, said:

Kind of funny how when someone says "The new mechs are going to be amazing!" a lot of people join in and there is much rejoicing. But when someone says "The new mechs are going to be terrible!" a lot of people reply "How do you know that? There's no evidence, it's too early to say! Boo this man!"

I understand that people are tired of negative posts, this was just my philosophical raptor for the day.

Not that. It's because most people, contrary to popular belief, don't simply jump on the bandwagon.

The new mechs are fine. The less mechs with high torso mounted weapons.. the less OP some mechs will be.. the better this game will be.

[kesmai]

@khobai
the fact that the first wolf touman contained a single jenner a and the production of the clan 2c variant started in 3042, a year in which the combine wasn't still able to produce any jenners, leaves me with the assumption that your stealing blueprints theory is made up. Yet your quirks statement is a good one.

Edited by kesmai, 30 June 2015 - 06:59 AM.

[Ultimax]

Joseph Mallan, on 30 June 2015 - 01:56 AM, said:

$35 To have a Orion IIC $55 to have a Ebon Jag. I'm not sure I am following the reason the 2nd line Mech is that much cheaper... But I will take my Orion IIC and be happy!

I'm baffled by the low price as well, they really want to sell this pack.


Go take a look at Resistance 1 & 2. Most of those mechs have cheaper/lower grade tech.


No endo, no ferro, no XL engines - and yet they cost the same?


I don't get it.

[IraqiWalker]

KiraOnime, on 29 June 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

The problem isn't the free tonnage, that part is great, the problem is the ****** hard points they both have.
All over the place and no variant truly focuses 1 type of weapon.

Something tells me you have never piloted either of these mechs right now. At least the variants we have for the IS. The Orion is a pocket Atlas, and hits almost as hard. They require finer piloting to get them to work right, but when it comes to punching clan heavies in the face, I truly enjoy using them.

The IIC variants are gonna be even better, most likely. In fact, one of the Orion IIC variants can mount Dual Gauss in one ST. Which makes for a nasty AC 30 hit at medium+ ranges. The Highlander has almost all that it needs to become a good reliable mech with the IIC variant's ability to use C-XL engines.

[Bishop Steiner]

KiraOnime, on 29 June 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Convince me otherwise if you disagree.

Why should I care?

[Kira Onime]

MeiSooHaityu, on 30 June 2015 - 02:13 AM, said:

My feeling is this player is also the person who comments "First!!" in a lot of article or video comments. Just a hunch.

Nope.

[Mordin Ashe]

All the IIC Mechs look quite solid. I purchased the Jenner but will probably go higher. We'll see.

[TWIAFU]

KiraOnime, on 29 June 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Convince me otherwise if you disagree.

Wow, they are SIX MONTHS AWAY!

You say they are DOA, and want US to convince YOU they are not?

How about this, with you knowing so much about them and were able to conclude, with that information in front of you, you need to convince US how and why they are DOA.

List the explicit details as to why they are DOA.

[AlexEss]

Now what i look forward to is the lovely trolling one will be able to do with the Jenner...

Enemy pilot: No worries.. it is just a Jenner... Is it not cut.... Argh it is killing me with all the pain...

Me: Would you like a side order of missiles with those missiles...

Maube do something similar with the HBK 4th version if the humps get removed when they are empty. Remove one AC20 and cram a few extra lasers in and masquerade as a IC HBK.. Then.. Bam.. Pain.. everywhere...

[Wintersdark]

IraqiWalker, on 30 June 2015 - 04:33 AM, said:

Something tells me you have never piloted either of these mechs right now. At least the variants we have for the IS. The Orion is a pocket Atlas, and hits almost as hard. They require finer piloting to get them to work right, but when it comes to punching clan heavies in the face, I truly enjoy using them.

The IIC variants are gonna be even better, most likely. In fact, one of the Orion IIC variants can mount Dual Gauss in one ST. Which makes for a nasty AC 30 hit at medium+ ranges. The Highlander has almost all that it needs to become a good reliable mech with the IIC variant's ability to use C-XL engines.

dual gauss in the ST will require a standard engine... Wonder how that'll work out for tonnage?

[IraqiWalker]

Wintersdark, on 30 June 2015 - 05:46 AM, said:

dual gauss in the ST will require a standard engine... Wonder how that'll work out for tonnage?

With a STD300(25 tons) + dual Gauss(24 tons) + Max non-FF(14.5) armor, you still have 7.56 tons of free space for other things. That's with just Endosteel. Throw FF in there, and you have 12 or so tons free with 21 slots free.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 30 June 2015 - 06:05 AM.

[Bilbo]

KiraOnime, on 29 June 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

The problem isn't the free tonnage, that part is great, the problem is the ****** hard points they both have.
All over the place and no variant truly focuses 1 type of weapon.

I kinda like them that way.

[Summon3r]

umm no, especially for HGN-IIC, that is all

[MountainCopper]

KiraOnime, on 29 June 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Convince me otherwise if you disagree.

...or, we could first ask what your arguments are for making this claim.

[mogs01gt]

I love the way Orions look but they have massive amount of issues. Over Quirking will never help them. Their design simply cannot keep damage off the ST's and the CT is soo flat its easy to hit.

Adding armor quirks might help them so who knows.

[SgtMagor]

A Clan Battlemech will be everything an IS mech wishes it could do, a full Clan weapon, and equipment refit. Doa don't think so, nuff said!

[Almond Brown]

TWIAFU, on 30 June 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

Wow, they are SIX MONTHS AWAY!

You say they are DOA, and want US to convince YOU they are not?

How about this, with you knowing so much about them and were able to conclude, with that information in front of you, you need to convince US how and why they are DOA.

List the explicit details as to why they are DOA.

Why do you FEED the TROLL! FFS folks. The OP should have been DELETED or K-Towned pages ago.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS! Please.

[DONTOR]

Clan weapons with slightly inflated hardpoints = win. Mostly talking about the orion tho...