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#61 Roadkill

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 02:15 PM

View PostChemie, on 02 July 2015 - 01:38 PM, said:

They skipped Windows 9 to avoid confusion with 95, 98 and 9x designations.

This is correct. They skipped 9 because there are a lot of utilities out there than use wildcards to check for your Windows version (e.g. matching to "Win9*") that would have broken if they'd introduced a new Windows 9. Thus Windows 10 to avoid the issue entirely.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:15 PM

View PostGreenjulius, on 02 July 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

10 is honestly what Windows 8 should have been. They really should have made the "Start Screen" a toggle option that could be disabled. Instead, we got 3rd party tools that mimicked the Windows 7 Start Menu.

So far I've had no real issues with 10, although I haven't messed with the most recent release build yet. I guess I've been too busy getting rid of old 2003 servers before they stop getting updates in July. :(

First: Boot to Desktop
http://www.cnet.com/...in-windows-8-1/

Second: In the bottom right corner of windows 8.1 you can add a new toolbar by directing it to the path of the start menu folder in your C:/Windows directory and it acts like the program list in your standard Win7 start menu.

Plenty of features of Win 7 could be done or mimicked in Win 8.1 if you actually tried to look. The Start Menu features are all in other places that aren't hard to get to. Opening the file browser (in Win7 its that folder icon next to your start menu button on the task bar that is pinned by default) lets you get to most of the folders that had a shortcut in the start menu. The search function still exists in Win8 too, sorry you don't like the live tiles menu. Also, right clicking on the start button in Win8.1 brings up a 'shortcut list' like control panel, cmd prompt, device manager, and shut down/log off/restart.

You can go directly to the applications list when pressing the start button instead of the live tiles by changing an option in the same properties window.

#63 Ordin Hall

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:27 PM

Can confirmed MWO works fine on Windows 10, actually runs better than on 7, 8, or 8.1 too. So that's a plus.

#64 Imperius

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:51 PM

View PostOrdin Hall, on 29 July 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

Can confirmed MWO works fine on Windows 10, actually runs better than on 7, 8, or 8.1 too. So that's a plus.


just think how much better it would be using dx12

#65 Ph30nix

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:54 PM

I do not get why anyone with half a brain and any choice at all would willing install windows 10. I dont care if you get the free version they are turning windows into a subscription based service just like they did with latest version of office. they are going to be charging you $100-$200 every year or two soon enough.
I am sorry but i like to actually own what i pay for and not rent it...... which is ironic considering i have spent a chunk of money on this games digital goods....

#66 Imperius

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 07:01 PM

http://blogs.windows...ows-windows-10/

Please educate yourself before making such claims. Technically Windows has been a subscription for years if you chose to upgrade every chance you got.

#67 Ph30nix

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 07:17 PM

View PostImperius, on 29 July 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

http://blogs.windows...ows-windows-10/

Please educate yourself before making such claims. Technically Windows has been a subscription for years if you chose to upgrade every chance you got.


a completely new product coming out that you can choose to buy or not buy is not a subcription service. THere is a reason people are still using and doing just fine with XP, Vista and such.

With Windows 10 once you upgrade you are at their mercy, they have stated that you will get "free" upgrades for the life of the device. They have yet to make any BINDING statement as to what that means. While some people are think it will be for however long you can keep your PC running the majority of people in the industry have said it will more than likely only be 2 years, at most 4. After that you will be forced to pay to continue getting updates. Even if its an update to fix a critical flaw that was in the product from day 1.
they have also said anyone who doesnt keep upto date on their updates (either of their own choice or because they didnt pay for them) will not be able to get future updates. Also they will lose access to many windows features. Which again they have NOT stated what features they mean.
Mark my words the other shoe is going to drop within a year or so once they have enough people switched over.

#68 Aim64C

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 12:25 AM

View PostPh30nix, on 29 July 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:


a completely new product coming out that you can choose to buy or not buy is not a subcription service. THere is a reason people are still using and doing just fine with XP, Vista and such.

With Windows 10 once you upgrade you are at their mercy, they have stated that you will get "free" upgrades for the life of the device. They have yet to make any BINDING statement as to what that means. While some people are think it will be for however long you can keep your PC running the majority of people in the industry have said it will more than likely only be 2 years, at most 4. After that you will be forced to pay to continue getting updates. Even if its an update to fix a critical flaw that was in the product from day 1.
they have also said anyone who doesnt keep upto date on their updates (either of their own choice or because they didnt pay for them) will not be able to get future updates. Also they will lose access to many windows features. Which again they have NOT stated what features they mean.
Mark my words the other shoe is going to drop within a year or so once they have enough people switched over.


While a move to a subscription service operating system makes sense from a business model standpoint, there is a limit to what the market will bear, and Microsoft's primary source of revenue is in business and government contracts.

If I had to guess, Microsoft will probably do something along the lines of role Xbox Live, Microsoft Office, and Microsoft Windows into a 'all for one' package where you pay monthly, quarterly, twice-annually, or annually for all included services at the same rates that Xbox Live currently functions at.

I could be incorrect, there, and they keep those lines of service billing separate, but in either case, the market will not bear $200/year for an OS. $50/year would be pushing it, and that is going to be felt considerably hard in midwestern areas with both lower costs of living and smaller incomes.

Ultimately, the cost to Microsoft to produce updates and services to their operating system doesn't change regardless of how many people are subscribed to it or not. If 20% of the market is subscribed at $80 then it's inferior to 80% of the market being subscribed at $25.

Further, they would have to ultimately allow for re-subscription after falling out of subscription. They might have some kind of 'additional service fee' or something, but if they allow new subscriptions, then they have to allow re-subscriptions to some extent.

I'm not saying that what you suggest is impossible... but it would be the same kind of market maliciousness that cost them with Xbox One and Window 8. They had to do some serious backpedaling and were told by the market to take their strong-arm marketing and stuff it.

If they didn't learn from it - then they deserve to do something stupid and get hemmed in by it.

I just don't see them having an unreasonable marketing approach to it.

And, as has been said, the main attraction, here, is to business owners. Changing over to a new operating system is a huge business hassle that gets caught up in years of "should we?" "do we need to?" - and a subscription model fixes that. "We use Windows 10, and even when upgrading hardware, we don't have to get wound up over any changes to the operating system."

From that aspect, looking at the OS as a subscription service is a blessing.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the smaller license packages intended for home users and small businesses are something like 1 license for 6 years for $120 - which would not be unlike a current OS purchase. Or 3 licenses for 2 years for $120.

This is not unlike what Antivirus companies do, already. You get updates through the length of your subscription and then have to re-subscribe to get updates.

Perhaps I'm still too naive to be appropriately cynical, yet.

#69 mcGreen

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 01:01 AM

Maybe anyone can help me, I upgraded on 10 and now the text ingame is hard to read and straining on the eyes.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 06:13 AM

View PostAim64C, on 30 July 2015 - 12:25 AM, said:


While a move to a subscription service operating system makes sense from a business model standpoint, there is a limit to what the market will bear, and Microsoft's primary source of revenue is in business and government contracts.



Some of us will never pay a subscription for any software product--games, apps, utilities, whatever it may be, we will not do it. It Microsoft were to try and force subscriptions for an operating system, there's a free alternative just around the corner called Linux that has been happily and quietly improving for over a decade. I use Windows 7, but I'll quickly try and find an alternative if I have to start paying a subscription just to use my computer.

Comcast is bad enough. I'm not about to let software companies get in on the act, too.

#71 Rhaythe

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 06:25 AM

I also can confirm that MWO runs on Windows 10. My performance tests indicated that it runs *better* on Windows 10 than Windows 7.

Hardware used:
  • AMD Phenom II 6-core 3.0ghz
  • ATI Radeon HD 6870 1 Gig
  • 16 GB memory
Windows 7 Framerates: ~28-30 FPS most maps
Windows 10 Framerates: ~35 FPS most maps

#72 Richard Hazen

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 06:31 AM

I can't seem to get windows 10 the little icon at the bottom of my screen won't show up.

Edited by Deimos Alpha, 30 July 2015 - 06:38 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 06:58 AM

View PostDeimos Alpha, on 30 July 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

I can't seem to get windows 10 the little icon at the bottom of my screen won't show up.

Don't bother with that. Go to the source:
https://www.microsof...nload/windows10

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 07:04 AM

I was running MWO in sli getting 98-120 FPS Max settings no issues.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 07:26 AM

MWO runs well on Win10.

Also check your Motherboard Manufacturer Websites for Win10 Drivers.
Gigabyte for example offers there a new Realtek Network Driver for Win10 for a Board that is from the 2011 year.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 07:48 AM

View PostImperius, on 29 July 2015 - 06:51 PM, said:


just think how much better it would be using dx12


Pretty sure DX12 will require appropriate "graphics hardware" be operating as well. Those on-board graphic chips likely wont cut it with DX12. LOL ;)

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 07:49 AM

View PostPh30nix, on 29 July 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

I do not get why anyone with half a brain and any choice at all would willing install windows 10. I dont care if you get the free version they are turning windows into a subscription based service just like they did with latest version of office. they are going to be charging you $100-$200 every year or two soon enough.
I am sorry but i like to actually own what i pay for and not rent it...... which is ironic considering i have spent a chunk of money on this games digital goods....


stop spreading lies, you don't know what you're talking about

#78 Almond Brown

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 07:56 AM

It will likely be installed on the next gaming PC I buy. Not long now. ;)

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 07:58 AM

View PostPh30nix, on 29 July 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

I do not get why anyone with half a brain and any choice at all would willing install windows 10. I dont care if you get the free version they are turning windows into a subscription based service just like they did with latest version of office. they are going to be charging you $100-$200 every year or two soon enough.
I am sorry but i like to actually own what i pay for and not rent it...... which is ironic considering i have spent a chunk of money on this games digital goods....

This is not true. Office can be purchased either on a subscription basis, or in single/volume license. Single/VL doesn't expire. Windows 10 is not subscription based, and I have heard no official statements regarding it every being so. (I won't say never, however)

View PostPh30nix, on 29 July 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:


a completely new product coming out that you can choose to buy or not buy is not a subcription service. THere is a reason people are still using and doing just fine with XP, Vista and such.

With Windows 10 once you upgrade you are at their mercy, they have stated that you will get "free" upgrades for the life of the device. They have yet to make any BINDING statement as to what that means. While some people are think it will be for however long you can keep your PC running the majority of people in the industry have said it will more than likely only be 2 years, at most 4. After that you will be forced to pay to continue getting updates. Even if its an update to fix a critical flaw that was in the product from day 1.
they have also said anyone who doesnt keep upto date on their updates (either of their own choice or because they didnt pay for them) will not be able to get future updates. Also they will lose access to many windows features. Which again they have NOT stated what features they mean.
Mark my words the other shoe is going to drop within a year or so once they have enough people switched over.

There has been a lot of fiery rhetoric about the licensing stipulations of Windows 10.

I'm a Microsoft Partner and will set the record straight; The "Lifetime of the device" in this case is the lifetime for Windows 10. It's the same as every version of Windows since XP. Microsoft sets an end date for support of the OS, 2025 being the end of extended support for Windows 10. By 2025, at least 2 additional versions of Windows are planned to be released.

Again, this is the same as every version of Windows since XP. Microsoft doesn't "Make the product stop working." They simply stop publishing updates for the product. This leaves you vulnerable to exploits that may arise from that point forward.

Thus, the reason why NO ONE should be using Windows XP today. It's a dead product that hasn't received updates in over a year, and only contributes to botnets and propagation of spyware.

Tech has a limited shelf life, as it always has since the days of 8086 and Apple GS.

Microsoft is not the boogeyman. The did however word the agreement in such a way that it worried people. However, statements have been made since that clear any confusion up.

Edited by Greenjulius, 30 July 2015 - 08:04 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 07:59 AM

View PostAlmond Brown, on 30 July 2015 - 07:48 AM, said:


Pretty sure DX12 will require appropriate "graphics hardware" be operating as well. Those on-board graphic chips likely wont cut it with DX12. LOL ;)


False DX 12 if supported by MWO as in if they add the API (which isn't hard and takes a few weeks) will benefit all nvidia cards from the GTX460+ Just the way DX 12 allows use of all your CPU cores up to 8 increases performance dramatically in all systems even on board laptop chips.

Trust me I push for DX 12 because it's important.







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