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[Fate 6]

Sarlic, on 26 July 2015 - 09:20 AM, said:

Obvious you are playing the mech wrong.

• It got MASC, what else you want? Use it properly.
  
• It can jump high.
  
• Pretty agile and good hitboxes.
  
• Low HPs, but decent profile mech...

It's not the mech. It's the pilot.

Tell that to all the Spider-5V pilots.

While I'm at it, tell it to all the Quickdraw, Kintaro, Trebuchet, Commando, Grasshopper, and Jenner pilots. Like, come on. Clearly some mechs are worse than other. Yeah the Scat can run around and fly, but it can't take a hit and it can't dish it out well either.

Edited by Fate 6, 27 July 2015 - 12:22 PM.

[InspectorG]

Mcgral18, on 27 July 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

SadCat is a non poop oriented one.


Infringes on the Sadder/Badder/Adder.

What is sadder?

The SadCat or the pilots who, after PGI released the scematics, thought it would be a 45 ton Timby?

[InspectorG]

CrushLibs, on 26 July 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

otherwise masc is within acceptable limts.

***edit**

The 40 ton Cicada does 120.3 kph with a XL270 in it. 5 tons difference in weight shouldn't give the IS mech a 13.4 kph advantage. Also the 300XL pushes it to 133 kph

Something is very wrong here

MASC needs a buff...i agree but dont think its particularly 'broken' just undeveloped after its initial release.

Compared to Cicadas?

You lose speed.

You get Clan XL, Clan weapons, JJ, high mounts for a Clan mech.

People are acting like Scat is a Commando or something.

[Mystere]

xXBagheeraXx, on 27 July 2015 - 11:19 AM, said:

Where did ECM get nerfed to 90 meters?

Im looking in the patch notes...not seeing it.

It's a future change.

[bad arcade kitty]

Fate 6, on 27 July 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

Tell that to all the Spider-5V pilots.

While I'm at it, tell it to all the Quickdraw, Kintaro, Trebuchet, Commando, Grasshopper, and Jenner pilots. Like, come on. Clearly some mechs are worse than other. Yeah the Scat can run around and fly, but it can't take a hit and it can't dish it out well either.

how did grasshopper land there in the list of bad mechs, lol
it's one of the best is heavies
jenner is relatively decent too, better than all is lights except firestarter and raven, where raven is not that much better

[xXBagheeraXx]

bad arcade kitty, on 27 July 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

how did grasshopper land there in the list of bad mechs, lol
it's one of the best is heavies
jenner is relatively decent too, better than all is lights except firestarter and raven, where raven is not that much better

Grasshopper is massive thats why. The size of a friggin' Atlas. Needs to be smaller.

Not sure why the jenner is on that list either other than Power creep making it a bit obsolescent. I admit a firestarter scares me a lot more than a jenner.

Mystere, on 27 July 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

It's a future change.

HOLY CRAP THEY ARE CONSIDERING REMOVING QUIRKS?

That has many implications, that could also mean some weapon nerfs may be reverted, because many weapons are only decent on quirked mechs, like AC2's and Ac5's on mechs with ballistic quirks....

PPC and AC velocity buffs across the board? Dare I say removal of ghost heat? That one post gave me hope....

and honestly I like the 90meter change, I think he hit the nail on the head with that one.

[spectralthundr]

xXBagheeraXx, on 27 July 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

Grasshopper is massive thats why. The size of a friggin' Atlas. Needs to be smaller.

Not sure why the jenner is on that list either other than Power creep making it a bit obsolescent. I admit a firestarter scares me a lot more than a jenner.



HOLY CRAP THEY ARE CONSIDERING REMOVING QUIRKS?

That has many implications, that could also mean some weapon nerfs may be reverted, because many weapons are only decent on quirked mechs, like AC2's and Ac5's on mechs with ballistic quirks....

PPC and AC velocity buffs across the board? Dare I say removal of ghost heat? That one post gave me hope....

and honestly I like the 90meter change, I think he hit the nail on the head with that one.

Grasshoppers are bad? AC 5's are bad? Are we playing the same game?

[Rhent]

CrushLibs, on 26 July 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

Because your 40ton Cicada can run circles around the scat with more pin point firepower.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c8f18f6d147ed4d
4.77 DPS 39% cooling.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...df99ccf338c1f5f
4.75 DPS 41% cooling and does 124.7 all the time
Faster with same fire power and the following quirks

40% laser range increased to 378m vs. cMPL (330m)
-20% heat generation uping its DPS to 5.9 vs 4.75
-20% laser duration .72 ML)vs .85 sec (cMPL)

So to recap , 17.8 kph faster , More DPS due to quirks , less beam duration and more range

And its a smaller profile and hit boxes than the Scat yep the Scat doesn't make breakfast but its no match for a Cicada.

You have JJ's and the Cicada does not. In a brawl, a properly built and piloted SCAT will beat the cicada.

Edited by Rhent, 27 July 2015 - 05:20 PM.

[xXBagheeraXx]

Rhent, on 27 July 2015 - 05:19 PM, said:

You have JJ's and the Cicada does not. In a brawl, a properly built and piloted SCAT will beat the cicada.

NOt by much, especialy not if the Cicada goes for your legs or your gun arm. Quirked the way they are those mediums/medium pulse lasers will rip you a new one.

[Kilo 40]

I love the shadow cat as is, but I'm not afraid to run mixed builds either.

But if everyone wants to complain in the hopes of making if even better, by all means, be my guest.

[xXBagheeraXx]

spectralthundr, on 27 July 2015 - 05:12 PM, said:

Grasshoppers are bad? AC 5's are bad? Are we playing the same game?

I said grashoppers where HUGE. 70+ ton laserbarf heavies are exactly what you want to be driving, but i don't want a 70 tonnner the size of a 90-100 tonner.

And yes, AC-5's shoot pretty dam slow on non-quirked mechs.

Kilo 40, on 27 July 2015 - 05:23 PM, said:

I love the shadow cat as is, but I'm not afraid to run mixed builds either.

But if everyone wants to complain in the hopes of making if even better, by all means, be my guest.

It wont be. The shadow cat is the Thor of the bunch. I knew this going in and why im probably not going to get one. I MAY get an executioner and possibly a cauldron born at one point...but thats it.

[Kilo 40]

xXBagheeraXx, on 27 July 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

It wont be. The shadow cat is the Thor of the bunch.

Lol! No.

[Spr1ggan]

InspectorG, on 27 July 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

What is sadder?

The SadCat or the pilots who, after PGI released the scematics, thought it would be a 45 ton Timby?

I'd be happy with it being able to punch like certain blackjacks can at 45 tons.

[Rampancy]

Spr1ggan, on 27 July 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

I'd be happy with it being able to punch like certain blackjacks can at 45 tons.

Uh

You can

Seriously, nothing's stopping you

Except the Shadowcat can do it with 6JJ, 106.9 KPH, and MASC.

There is not a single scenario beyond dedicated PPC sniper where a blackjack is superior to a Shadowcat, and that's only because quirked IS-PPCs run much cooler.

[Spr1ggan]

RampancyTW, on 27 July 2015 - 05:58 PM, said:

Uh

You can

Seriously, nothing's stopping you

Except the Shadowcat can do it with 6JJ, 106.9 KPH, and MASC.

There is not a single scenario beyond dedicated PPC sniper where a blackjack is superior to a Shadowcat, and that's only because quirked IS-PPCs run much cooler.

Uh... BJ1-X punches a hell of a lot harder than the scat while being able to move at the same speed the scat can go while using masc. Also with better heat and shorter burn times.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 27 July 2015 - 07:05 PM.

[InspectorG]

Spr1ggan, on 27 July 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

I'd be happy with it being able to punch like certain blackjacks can at 45 tons.

Wait for the quirks?

[Rampancy]

Spr1ggan, on 27 July 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

Uh... BJ1-X punches a hell of a lot harder than the scat while being able to move at the same speed the scat can go while using masc. Also with better heat and shorter burn times.

BJ1-X also has extremely vulnerable side torsos, no JJ, no ECM capability and is range-limited. Shorter burn time is the really big advantage of the BJ1-X, but it's offset by the other weaknesses. It's at worst a push.

[Mcgral18]

RampancyTW, on 27 July 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

BJ1-X also has extremely vulnerable side torsos, no JJ, no ECM capability and is range-limited. Shorter burn time is the really big advantage of the BJ1-X, but it's offset by the other weaknesses. It's at worst a push.

350M MLs isn't what you call range limited; 700M maximum. That's with excellent burn times, heat, and heatsinks.

+11 to each ST isn't particularly squishy. Still has excellent scale.

[Rampancy]

Mcgral18, on 27 July 2015 - 07:30 PM, said:

350M MLs isn't what you call range limited; 700M maximum. That's with excellent burn times, heat, and heatsinks.

+11 to each ST isn't particularly squishy. Still has excellent scale.

It's the way the STs are always exposed that makes them squishy, can hit them from every angle no problem pretty much. Which is why they have +11 to each ST in the first place. And anything that can hit beyond that 350m optimum completely kills a BJ1-X build, it's limited strictly to sub-525m hill-humping.

[Mystere]

xXBagheeraXx, on 27 July 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

Not sure why the jenner is on that list either other than Power creep making it a bit obsolescent. I admit a firestarter scares me a lot more than a jenner.

That's what people also said before the Founder's event, until I butchered anyone and everyone in a Jenner of course.

Edited by Mystere, 27 July 2015 - 08:51 PM.