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[bad arcade kitty]

Greenjulius, on 26 July 2015 - 04:49 PM, said:

Your last sentence is making things personal however; questioning my masculinity.

this thread gets scary o.0

[Greenjulius]

bad arcade kitty, on 26 July 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

this thread gets scary o.0

Edited by Greenjulius, 26 July 2015 - 05:07 PM.

[o0Marduk0o]

ScarecrowES, on 26 July 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

So much derp.

300XL engine... which is what you'd get if you dumped the 2 MASC tons directly into engine, would give more speed than MASC provides 100% of the time. It would also provide bonuses to acceleration, deceleration, turning, twist, whatever. Not as much as MASC, but still 100% of the time.

The 25% boost in turning is not even noticeable with MASC on, and the accel/decel bonuses would be great on a mech that could actually USE them for something... a la the Executioner. You can't poke with a mech that can't pack a high alpha and the SCat certainly can't do that - it's the only thing accel/decel bonuses are good for.

It's a 2-ton paperweight right now.

As if you need bonuses to acceleration, deceleration, turning, twisting 100% of the time, when you can actually get better bonuses WHEN you really need it.

[Sug]

Gas Guzzler, on 26 July 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

Personally, I'm a scatfan.

Can we please think of something else to call the shadowcat?

[Deathlike]

Sug, on 26 July 2015 - 09:28 PM, said:

Can we please think of something else to call the shadowcat?

Possibly never.

Even back in the MW3 days, it was always referred to as the "Scat".

Unless, you want to call it the "poopcat" (replace poop with the equivalent s-word) due to the some people's view of that mech.

[Sarlic]

Greenjulius, on 26 July 2015 - 04:49 PM, said:

Sarlic, I've played against you a few times and have great respect for your abilities and views. However, please accept that other people have opinions that matter too.

I shouldn't have quoted you directly, however I did this just to quote a, "SCat is just fine" post. My point still stands and is quite relevant. MASC on the SCat is not worth the 2 tons. The Accel/Decel boost is nice, but not worth 2 tons, especially when 2 tons more engine would make a massive difference. The Turn Rate bonus makes almost no discernible difference.

I'm not arguing past what is reasonable. MASC MK II only provides a 10% boost to speed for 7 seconds. MASC MK I provides the EXACT SAME BONUS for 1 ton. The other MASC variants? They provide 15.5% for 3 tons, and 18.5% for 4 tons respectively. None of these are TT correct. However, I care nothing for translating TT to a videogame, so that point is irrelevant. What I want is scaling that makes sense.

My solution to the SCats issues? (only one needed, then we can judge its impact)

1.) Make the boost for MASC a minimum of 13%. That would put it in line with all the other variants. As it is, 30-50 tonners are penalized with the worst MASC. That would translate to about 14kph, which would make the mech go about 121. Reasonable, I thing you would agree?

2.) Hardpoint inflation - The SCat is relegated to long range sniping because it can't do anything else well except jumping. A Raven 3L does this better because it's a smaller, faster mech. If it had an extra energy hardpoint, a 4xMPL build would actually make it worthwhile. I would even accept this replacing the ECM hardpoint.

Your last sentence is making things personal however; questioning my masculinity. What is the measure of a man? Giving up? I say to you, a real man sticks to his guns and fights for his opinions as long as they are justified. My opinion, good sir, is a just one and I will fight for it.

Perhaps my tone was a bit harsch. But i respect opinions!

And that is your right to do so .

[Thrudvangar]

CrushLibs, on 26 July 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

I play every mech just fine , this mech is designed to be a one trick pony.

Scat wasn't clan restricted it could be made into a good mech but then IS whiners would have another OP mech to complain about.

the only idiots i see crying in the forums are the clanner scum like you are.

l2p.

[Macster16]

*didn't bother reading through topic*

ECM nerf is not going to make the SHC much or any worse than it is. It's single, most glaring limitation is the fact that it can only carry a max of 3 energy hardpoints. As I stated in my theorycraft thread which I created soon after we got the details of the wave3 mechs, mechs on the lower weight scale (like the SHC) rely on boating small-med lasers to get decent damage output and the SHC just can't do it with only 3 HPs.

Changing out MASC, having removable JJs or whatever is not really going to fix the underlying problem and hence won't be much of a buff. If it had even a 4th energy HP, it'll be a damn decent chassis (4 mpls or 2erMLs/2erLLs). 5 and it'll be pretty high tier as it pretty much has everything else going for it for a 45t mech (decent hitboxes, good speed, good HP placement).

By far the best build I've found for it is 2 erLLs and 1erML which you need to play as a sniper. 2 ERPPCs can work, but only once elited otherwise it's too damn hot.

[Joseph Mallan]

CrushLibs, on 26 July 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

If 6 locked JJs , dirt poor Masc (10 kph) , high heat , mediocre armor and weapon slots isn't bad enough now the ECM is being nerfed soon (180m to 90m).

Can we get a Scat that has some balls

1. ditch or increase MASC ,, rather have a XL 280 in it than Masc or increase Masc to 20% so it can atleast go 130 kph for 7 secs.

2. on all clan mechs allow users to remove JJs this is a stupid fixed hardpoint like the flamer on the puma. Its bad enough no engine or armor changes are allowed.

3. Scat needs a small buff to the HUGE side torsos that PGI decided to use.

Having high mounted weapons is nice and all but not a game changer,, to have one of the most renown clan mechs reduced to a long range sniper mech with no ammo is very very sad indeed.

Please for the love of Pete fix this mech to at least be competitive/playable. Hell my Puma does a better job and that's just wrong.

6 Locked Jump Jets is the Way the SCat has always been for TT.

Dirt Poor MASC... I cannot agree more. At least from what I read.

High Heat... On Paper (and TT) the SCAT is cool running. The Prime, A and B Should be nice cool running Platforms! But PGI wants to run the much hated Solaris style heat system. Or a close facsimile.

Mediocre armor... Its a 45 ton Mech with near Max Standard. At least you get to add more armor unlike TT.

Mediocre Weapons... Again its a 45 ton Mech, You don't get much to work with unless it is slow and even then... Its 45 Tons!

ECM nerf is needed but I think is the wrong nerf I feel. The range of ECM is fine, the extent of powers is to much. Guardian ECM in MW:O has more ability than Angel ECM. Against Angel SSRMs can be dumb fired at least.

MASC needs to give A SCat 130 KpH top speed or a top speed that can be supported by the server/Nvidia.

Locked Equipment is part and parcel of Omnis, Though I agree making JJ locked equipment is silly, it is the decision of the faction leaders and not the guys on the ground.Which do you think is a better hand to hand weapon? A short sword or a Knife fixed to a rifle?

[Sug]

Deathlike, on 27 July 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

Possibly never.

Even back in the MW3 days, it was always referred to as the "Scat".

Unless, you want to call it the "poopcat" (replace poop with the equivalent s-word) due to the some people's view of that mech.

Well, it's the Shadow Cat so how about we call it the Shat?

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 27 July 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

Possibly never.

Even back in the MW3 days, it was always referred to as the "Scat".

Unless, you want to call it the "poopcat" (replace poop with the equivalent s-word) due to the some people's view of that mech.

SadCat is a non poop oriented one.


Infringes on the Sadder/Badder/Adder.

[Mister Blastman]

Sug, on 27 July 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

Well, it's the Shadow Cat so how about we call it the Shat?

Tense and stuff. Shat insinuates the past tense, as in, it /did/, but will not now, whereas scat says it /is/, and is now.

Scat is scat.



And it makes me sad because it used to be oh so good!

Edited by Mister Blastman, 27 July 2015 - 08:08 AM.

[Greenjulius]

Sarlic, on 27 July 2015 - 12:08 AM, said:

Perhaps my tone was a bit harsch. But i respect opinions!

And that is your right to do so .

Like I said, you're one of the good ones, so no offense taken. And anyone who still pilots Atlai is okay in my book.

Sug, on 27 July 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

Well, it's the Shadow Cat so how about we call it the Shat?

Mcgral18, on 27 July 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

SadCat is a non poop oriented one.
Infringes on the Sadder/Badder/Adder.

SCat is too damn fitting. But SHat and SadCat are nice too.

What are the unofficial names of clams as it stands?

1.) Mist Lynx? (I personally like to call it the Mist Stynx, but that's just me)
2.) Cute Fox
3.) Arctic Cheater?
4.) Sadder
5.) Ice Fridge (I've heard a few other good ones)
6.) SCat, SHat, SadCat?
7.) No-Va
8.) Doomcrow
9.) Mad Dog?
10.) Ebon Jag?
11.) Hellbringer?
12.) Suckoner
13.) Timbergod
14.) Gargles, among others
15.) Warhawk?
16.) Sexecutioner?
17.) DireWhale

There should be some sort of a key to these names for the uninformed.

Edited by Greenjulius, 27 July 2015 - 08:18 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Greenjulius, on 27 July 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

Like I said, you're one of the good ones, so no offense taken. And anyone who still pilots Atlai is okay in my book.


SCat is too damn fitting. But SHat and SadCat are nice too.

What are the unofficial names of clams as it stands?

1.) Mist Lynx? (I personally like to call it the Mist Stynx, but that's just me)

I prefer Myth Lynx due to the rarity, and it rolls off the tongue easier.

[CtrlAltWheee]

Greenjulius, on 27 July 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

Like I said, you're one of the good ones, so no offense taken. And anyone who still pilots Atlai is okay in my book.


SCat is too damn fitting. But SHat and SadCat are nice too.

What are the unofficial names of clams as it stands?

15.) Warhawk?

There should be some sort of a key to these names for the uninformed.

Peace Dove

Warhawk is maybe my favorite assault mech, but peace dove is too good.

[Greenjulius]

CtrlAltWheee, on 27 July 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Peace Dove

Warhawk is maybe my favorite assault mech, but peace dove is too good.

I nearly forgot that one... Thanks!

[Revis Volek]

Gas Guzzler, on 26 July 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

Faster yes, but not more agile. The acceleration is ridiculous.

Personally, I'm a scatfan. I have been having a ball with this thing. It may not be a top tier medium but its average, at minimum, possible better. You can focus on giving the Vindicator more balls first.

In comparison to the Vindi, the S-Cat is a monster! I also have been having a great time with it, i found 4 loadouts that work well and none of them use the Gauss rifle unfortunately but then again 25 shots isn't that great so im am not to upset. But i find the S-Cat holds its own even compared to the Nova and having JJ's make it different and about on par with the Ferret IMO.

[xXBagheeraXx]

Where did ECM get nerfed to 90 meters?

Im looking in the patch notes...not seeing it.

[xXBagheeraXx]

Greenjulius, on 27 July 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

Like I said, you're one of the good ones, so no offense taken. And anyone who still pilots Atlai is okay in my book.


SCat is too damn fitting. But SHat and SadCat are nice too.

What are the unofficial names of clams as it stands?

1.) Mist Lynx? (I personally like to call it the Mist Stynx, but that's just me)
2.) Cute Fox
3.) Arctic Cheater?
4.) Sadder
5.) Ice Fridge (I've heard a few other good ones)
6.) SCat, SHat, SadCat?
7.) No-Va
8.) Doomcrow
9.) Mad Dog?
10.) Ebon Jag?
11.) Hellbringer?
12.) Suckoner
13.) Timbergod
14.) Gargles, among others
15.) Warhawk?
16.) Sexecutioner?
17.) DireWhale

There should be some sort of a key to these names for the uninformed.

NerfCat
Badder

[1453 R]

ScarecrowES, on 26 July 2015 - 08:33 AM, said:

You DO realize that if the 2 tons from MASC had been put into the engine instead, the SCat would actually run faster and be more maneuverable 100% of the time than it currently is for 7 seconds WITH MASC?

Run faster, yes. Be more maneuverable, no. Even with its medium 'Mech movement profile, I've found M.A.S.C. to be quite helpful for spurts of nigh-instant accel or decel. It's not as game-changing as it is on the Executioner, no, but it's still nice. And still vastly quicker than the machine would be without M.A.S.C.

Would I trade it for two tons of Gauss ammo if I could? On the demi-stock Prime, in a heartbeat - but not necessarily on all my other Shadow Cats. Even if I would, it's nice to get your information straight before throwing it out there.