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[Aresye]

I have pulled 3 48-0 games in Community Warfare so far. One of which was against an 8-man unit on the other side.

What you're describing is rock solid focus fire, and when you have all 12 mechs on a side targeting individual mechs 1 by 1, they melt easier than butter, and there's really nothing that can be done about it. It's just math.

12 x 50dmg (average pinpoint alpha) = 600dmg

No amount of armor doubling or convergence tweaks will stop the effectiveness of focus fire. You could lose half of each player's alpha to imperfect convergence and still end up with 300dmg being focused onto a single target and location from a full team.

48-0 games are very possible when one side is spreading damage across 12 mechs while the other side is focusing damage on 1 mech every 2-3 seconds. Repeat it 4 times and the end result is you have 48 dead mechs on one side, while the other side has their original 12, moderately battered mechs.

Doesn't mean there aren't still cheaters in the game. For the most part, none of the people who have been caught cheating were known to be high level players (with the exception of 1).

It's the issue with having a low player base in such a complicated game. You end up with incredibly high skill gaps.

Edited by Aresye Kerensky, 09 August 2015 - 10:54 PM.

[Xetelian]

Get the tinfoil hats out again...

[Speedy Plysitkos]

I believe there are cheaters. Once i got 1 shoted from side, on 85% healty assault. (not open internals, yellow, and orange arm.) i dont think that is possible from side.

[bad arcade kitty]

Malakie, on 09 August 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

there is a HUGE bug that is popping up pretty much making some players invincible

it's called 'skill'

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 10 August 2015 - 01:03 AM.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Xetelian, on 10 August 2015 - 01:19 AM, said:

I found the deaths a little suspect so I shared the shots.

Got a problem brah?

no problem. that single line, would enlight it in the first post...

[Kodyn]

Xetelian, on 10 August 2015 - 01:19 AM, said:

I found the deaths a little suspect so I shared the shots.

Got a problem brah?

I think they just wanted details to go with the screenies as to what you found suspicious. I know I feel that way, as right now, they do just look like ordinary deaths to a good shot. I'm sure with some details about the context of the deaths and the match itself they'll make a lot more sense.

[Xetelian]

Kodyn, on 10 August 2015 - 01:22 AM, said:

I think they just wanted details to go with the screenies as to what you found suspicious. I know I feel that way, as right now, they do just look like ordinary deaths to a good shot. I'm sure with some details about the context of the deaths and the match itself they'll make a lot more sense.

Here I thought that the quote about getting killed from the side, the fact this thread is about funky deaths.

A picture is worth 1000 words. What more do you need?

Those were probably legit deaths, but the 1 minute killed by Gauss really had me wondering if there were more to it than just a really good shot.

[Jack Booted Thug]

You might also consider that some players turn down their sensitivity and have gaming mice that can change dpi settings with the click of a button.

Makes hitting particular locations very easy with little to no damage spread even at longer ranges.

[Blue Boutique]

Titannium, on 10 August 2015 - 12:56 AM, said:

I believe there are cheaters. Once i got 1 shoted from side, on 85% healty assault. (not open internals, yellow, and orange arm.) i dont think that is possible from side.

The center structure compose of only 7-8% of the total hp with the side torsos only 5-6% each so if the alpha shot struck to the rear where the armor is weak, an assault can go down with with a 90% health rating.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Blue Boutique, on 10 August 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

The center structure compose of only 7-8% of the total hp with the side torsos only 5-6% each so if the alpha shot struck to the rear where the armor is weak, an assault can go down with with a 90% health rating.

ACH laughs for a month......

[Kodyn]

Xetelian, on 10 August 2015 - 01:30 AM, said:

Here I thought that the quote about getting killed from the side, the fact this thread is about funky deaths.

A picture is worth 1000 words. What more do you need?

Those were probably legit deaths, but the 1 minute killed by Gauss really had me wondering if there were more to it than just a really good shot.

Forest Colony? Unlikely that it was anything suspect. I often find one of my spots and start sniping on that map within the first few seconds, because many players will stand still and look around right after the start, and you can see clear across the map-it's tiny.

I think in this case you just got extremely unlucky and the guys doing it were packing enough firepower that combined with good aim, it spelled the end for your mech.

I'm not saying it definitely wasn't cheating, but really nothing there indicates it would be, either.

EDIT: Since you added your text- You have no rear damage in the first image, you have internal dmg, which shows up on your rear and front paper doll, that's 100% normal.

Edited by Kodyn, 10 August 2015 - 02:16 AM.

[Corbon Zackery]

The other factors that can lead to a bad game without cheating:

Ammo explosions: For some reason people want to pack 5 to 10 tons of exploding ammo on a mech.

XL eng. Pops. IS XL mech are prime targets for one shot kills normally you can punch a side torso in shots.

High alpha not heat regulated damage. Most mechs now can fire unrestricted 30 to 40 point alpha.

Arm Lock: This is a huge factor in the coring of most mechs. Easy to defeat by using elevation.

Easy aimbots to spot are CT lock-on. Its a modification to programing that links the R targeting key with other Keys so when you press R the whole torso locks onto the CT and moves at the same time.

Matches were your cored out in the CT only are easy to spot.

[Johnny Z]

I am amazed at all the trolls in this topic. There isnt any doubt an aim bot is being used in many situations. Its not a common thing but just yesterday while fighting a Warhawk or Direwolf his first two shots of the match he took out the left torso of my Commando and the left torso of a Cheetah. Both mechs dodging, I can asure anyone that was a bot. No aim deviation, no damage spread.

Again I am amazed there are so many public defenders of cheats.

If a player thinks someone is cheating make a point of it by all means by the way. Ignore the sweepers under the rug comments here.

There are alot of experienced players in this game but perfect accuracy isnt part of that. Great piloting and alot of other factors is how you can determine the good players. You see someone that can barely pilot a mech and with perfect accuracy, thats a botter.

Worste case scenario this topic is publicly ignored and players see thousands of accounts banned, because players dont realize they are going to get banned and its easy to catch botters. Which means players quit or have to rebuy all their in game items.. This happens in other games by the way.

Again to put it clearly for the daft, its EASY to catch botters. Wall hacks not so much but again very easy the moment they even think there is a problem.

Edited by Johnny Z, 10 August 2015 - 03:29 AM.

[nehebkau]

Mystere, on 09 August 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

Just send a video to PGI and STOP MAKING THREADS LIKE THIS.

It's good to keep the community informed that there are people out there who are still trying to gain an unfair advantage and the ways to report them to PGI for investigation.

I still, however, want to know what is up with the supposed incoming additional bans.

Edited by nehebkau, 10 August 2015 - 05:56 AM.

[Lugh]

If you need an Aimbot to aim well in this game, you are the saddest display of motor dexterity on this planet.

I'm still improving myself after a long time away, but the aiming in MWO is Not at all Hard to do.

[Revis Volek]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 August 2015 - 11:25 AM, said:

Report it with video if you feel there is really something wrong.

I doubt there is anything wrong though.

Sounds like some decent focus fire to me....High ELO play can be different even in the SOLO queue.

Xetelian, on 10 August 2015 - 01:19 AM, said:

I found the deaths a little suspect so I shared the shots.

Got a problem brah?

You are upset you died to in a SHC, better toughen that skin up if you are gonna run around in a mediocre mech.

I have died every single death in my SHC to a big CT alpha, peeps know they melt like butter under a 60 pt alpha....internals are exposed after one and good luck twisting away from it with that Jenner nose out front.

Edited by DarthRevis, 10 August 2015 - 11:44 AM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Xetelian, on 10 August 2015 - 01:30 AM, said:

Those were probably legit deaths, but the 1 minute killed by Gauss really had me wondering if there were more to it than just a really good shot.

it's forest colony, they can shoot you with gauss almost from one spawn to another

[Malakie]

I see I hit a nerve with my post... Apparently others playing are also seeing anomalies in game that do not fit with the normal game play of just bad shooting, dumb luck shots etc..

In fact, I knew about the aimbot but had never heard of the wall hack until some of these posts... Makes me wonder what other hacks there are that people have used but kept very quiet about..

When you consider how many hackers think this is fun too do or just do it because they can, what they don't consider is the ramifications for the rest of us....

Many people love playing this game... but if hackers were allowed to continue to operate in the game, you can bet in short order, the game they might actually like to play themselves would suddenly be going offline because no legitimate player is going to continue to waste their gaming time playing against someone that cheats.

BTW, I say that because I do know one person who has left the game, partially due to his perceptions of this and partially due to the lack of additional game play, i.e. maps, missions, things to do other than the same scenarios over and over and over...

I am not a big reader of dev notes etc.. I tend to just play while on then leave until the next time.. So I do not know what the plans are for the future...

But I do know this.. I am a founder and I am still playing basically the exact same game I was on day one.. A couple more maps and the team faction added now but otherwise, nothing else new in a VERY long time.

Thankfully I still like to play for now... but even I am getting a bit 'bored' sometimes playing the same thing over and over and over and over...... You get the idea...

[Xetelian]

DarthRevis, on 10 August 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

Sounds like some decent focus fire to me....High ELO play can be different even in the SOLO queue.




You are upset you died to in a SHC, better toughen that skin up if you are gonna run around in a mediocre mech.

I have died every single death in my SHC to a big CT alpha, peeps know they melt like butter under a 60 pt alpha....internals are exposed after one and good luck twisting away from it with that Jenner nose out front.

Decent focus fire maybe but since I didn't see an enemy and was only killed by ERLL and AC5 I can't imagine an ALL ERLL and AC5 mechs vomiting the front my my mech, damaging the back and killing me in the blink of an eye.


The dual gauss headshot was really suspect because it was at the 1 minute mark and both screen shots are well before the lines of skirmish were even drawn.

[Malakie]

Ok now I KNOW there is cheating.. AND I monitored one group in faction that seems to always be the same group with the majority of this happening... I will send that info to the dev...

BUT what just happened to me confirms it..

I had a Timberwolf kill me in a Jaggermech after we went at each other, no others around... He took me down pretty fast and even with dual AC5 cannons, LL and medium lasers I did not seem to do much to him.. I also have FF armor.

So I came back in with my Atlas this time.. AC10's, LL and LPL, MPL. FF armor, double heat, max armor slow speed.

And went after that Timberwolf. Was able to get him alone again and went head to head with him...

I was 100%. He was 16% and shows NO missing parts or arms etc.

We beat on each other head to head and I watched in disbelief as he tore me apart, SAT there and stayed 15% while I finally died.

I don't care what you say, but THAT tells me one thing.. CHEAT. PERIOD. There is NO other explanation. We lost the faction battle yet again to this group by an overwhelming margin.. they lost one mech per person, many ejected per the text on the screen before they came in for a second push with their fresh mechs.

I watched them as a spectator pretty much do the same thing to everyone else on our team...

When the battle was done, we all lost every mech, they still lost only that ONE MECH.

This 'clan' actually is the same clan that got my attention a while ago which ultimately led to this thread being started by me.. Call it luck or whatever that I just logged in and got them for the first battle..

Here is another bit of interesting trivia... IN game right after I went down, I use PUBLIC open chat and called them out as cheating... Normally you would think they would angrily reply back, defend themselves etc... But instead two disconnects occurred on their team all of a sudden and NOT ONE REPLY to my accusation... not one from them.

I am reporting this (which I also stated in the chat message I put out in game)..

Like I said, unless it is one hell of a random bug, this is, in MY opinion, obvious cheating.