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[Vlad Ward]

Mycrus, on 29 August 2015 - 07:10 PM, said:

Name one decent poster that knows about higher level play...

That still posts in GD? Not easy.

That's ... kinda my point.

[Mycrus]

Vlad Ward, on 29 August 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

That still posts in GD? Not easy.

That's ... kinda my point.

Grrr.. that was chased away.

[Vlad Ward]

Mycrus, on 29 August 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

Grrr.. that was chased away.

Mwhighlander. Though he was less chased and more banned. They both start in the underhive, though.

Edit: Once upon a time, I used to lead a top 5 ranked comp team and won an award (complete with custom in-game bling) for best forum contributor in MWO boards, too. But I got tired of dealing with the underhive, left, retired from league play, and now live my life defending bridges from wandering knaves.

Using myself as an example is just in poor taste though, no?

Edited by Vlad Ward, 29 August 2015 - 07:20 PM.

[PappySmurf]

Yellonet said=(Well, I've been here a while now, and I have to say that the MWO forums are like most other game forums I've been on, i.e. too often filled with negativity and hostility.)

Well my friend I have over 3+ years tried to be constructive on my topics and posts but I have to admit im at 60% negitive-40% positive.Its not that many who started out in MWO back when it started did not try to help out make positive topics and posts.

But it soon became apperant PGI was hiding things from the players and fan base and lied about many things in MWO that they promised would happen to the game or not happen to the game.But we kept supporting Russ and Brian and staff with $USD and forum support right up untill we knew MWO was not going to be a MechWarrior/BattleTech/TT game like promised in Closed Beta.

Many still belive PGI and the Devs will come around and mke MWO back into a game like the Older PC-IP games were but it has moved away from its legacy and become a game not many fans and players really wanted a FPS in mech skins trying to be a MOBA/Esport game.

TT/BattleTech/PC-MechWarrior was never about moba's or E-Sport it was about a great community of fans,players,league owners,website promoters,and a whole lot of big stompy robot action in a friendly competitve way in 1v1-12v12 battles with 20+ game modes and 100+ maps.

So PGI staff and the Devs have only there selfs to blame for a terrable core game with some brilliant maps and mech designs that is slowly dying and no amount of Steam players is going to save it in its current form.

Edited by PappySmurf, 29 August 2015 - 08:52 PM.

[Chagatay]

Yellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Crazy talk

This forum is just about the cleanliest forum I have ever been. Whether you want to believe that is due to censorship, indifference, or manners is up to you. As far as developer presence well it is clear that they use that twitter thing more....

[Zordicron]

I have never had a big issue with uber ******* here. Most of the time fellow forumites will bash the ******* back into place.

Mostly, my only peeve is that there is a little too much close mindedness about suggestions and such. Some one will come here, suggest something. Maybe they are new, maybe they don't know, maybe it is a great idea. There is a 50/50 shot they will get flamed hard by some troll, and then bandwagoneers will jump on them too, rather then just explaining the fault or you know, heaven forbid, actually just discussing the idea. Basically, too much "stupid n00b, ur ideaz sux". Maybe that is the toxic the OP speaks of, I dunno. But it is annoying when people can't just understand other people are also people.


Overall though, I like these forums. As a comparison, here is a tale of my recent journy to another forum:

LOTRO. yeah, not related to MWO, but I was in closed beta. like first wave on that game. I "got along" with the dev teams ideals, and initially felt the game was progressing awesome, with talkative devs etc. Then Turbine money mongers got involved, wanted a WoW clone, and so the second wave of closed beta saw..... changes to the game we will say, and most of the devs were saying little, outside of some inferred confirmation Publusher interference was now controling development. Anyway, one of the things I contributed right at the end was the Lengendary weapon system. No, they didn;t get it right, they basically messed up the crafting part of it, but thats not here nor there.

Fast forward many years, I went like last month to check out the game, just to see how tings ended up there out of curiosity. I went to the new player section of the forums, asked some questions. Mentioned I was in Closed Beta, and wantd to see how things were going. I got:

"If you were in beta why didnt you just get a job as a dev"
"no way you were in beta, log in on servr X and prove it"
"etc"

Of course in between were 3 or 4 actual friendly posts. I made a comment "thanks to (players xxxx) for the helpful responses, the rest of you, do you really come here and troll new players like that?"

then, a day later, I got perma banned with no reason given, and my email/support ticket went unanswered after a confirmation email.


So you know, I like MWO forums. Despite some occasional venting, IMO these boards are somewhat self policing and are certainly moderated by normal human beings lol.

[Tesunie]

I know a few pages behind... But these posts caught my quick scanning of the first page.

DAYLEET, on 29 August 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

These forums are exemplary when i think back to those of EA or other mmo ive played.

Here if you are truly unfortunate someone will state "you're bad at the game". Unless you want to bore me to death ur gona have to do better than that lol.

These forums have been as good, as they have been bad. Read below for one of the bad times we've had.

MechaBattler, on 29 August 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

The state of the forums right now is actually better than it was before. There was so much vitriol being poured all over the forums, you couldn't say a positive thing without getting pounced on. It almost never made sense. It was just this stupid gang mentality because a few people kept fanning the flames. They really did turn the forums into a hellhole for a while. People get all victim complex because some of those people got banned. But eff them. Acting like a bunch of angry children and throwing a tantrum, ruining it for everyone else, which is what they wanted.

At one point, you saw a negative post insulting the game, the developers, and anyone who paid for anything in game. If you walked around with a package badge, you got hounded. We shall avoid what happened back in those times if you said you were an LRM user...



Overall, it's a forum. There will be good and bad as there is in every forum. I think people need to clean up their in game attitudes far more than their forum ones. "Insults team, then Disconnects." Seen that too many times.

Some people will be rude and uncaring, no matter what you do. I don't mind negative posts, but do so with respect at least to your fellow posters. You can disagree and be respectful at the same time.

[Mycrus]

Vlad Ward, on 29 August 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

Mwhighlander. Though he was less chased and more banned. They both start in the underhive, though.

Edit: Once upon a time, I used to lead a top 5 ranked comp team and won an award (complete with custom in-game bling) for best forum contributor in MWO boards, too. But I got tired of dealing with the underhive, left, retired from league play, and now live my life defending bridges from wandering knaves.

Using myself as an example is just in poor taste though, no?

He shaved his head, changed his name and joined a cult...

Underhive didnt chase the "decent" posters away... they imploded from their tryhardness... some got tired of the game and moved on... some went full ****** and got themselves banned...

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Eldagore, on 29 August 2015 - 09:15 PM, said:

then, a day later, I got perma banned with no reason given, and my email/support ticket went unanswered after a confirmation email.

My favorite is star citizen, where the guy over the forums broke his own posted rules for mods to ban me with two strikes instead of like 5 everyone else gets lol

[Mycrus]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 August 2015 - 09:32 PM, said:

My favorite is star citizen, where the guy over the forums broke his own posted rules for mods to ban me with two strikes instead of like 5 everyone else gets lol

Hewho probabbly ****** over his keyboard when they closed down that threadnaught... ah good times... sold my sc account after that... jo point really waiting for vaporware.

[Juodas Varnas]

fat4eyes, on 29 August 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

Kerbal space program

Now where's your unicorn?

Well, it's not a multiplayer competitive game with constant stream of balancing and new content.
But ok, you win.

[Vlad Ward]

Mycrus, on 29 August 2015 - 09:29 PM, said:

He shaved his head, changed his name and joined a cult...

Underhive didnt chase the "decent" posters away... they imploded from their tryhardness... some got tired of the game and moved on... some went full ****** and got themselves banned...

Underhive is definitely my #1 deterrent to posting in GD. It's pretty much impossible to talk about things that might have some remote benefit to groups in this environment.

I'm serious about winning best forum contributor in all of MWO awardz, though.

See?

Spoiler

And now look at me. I'm only here because GM Patience keeps banning NKVA from the CW forums, so there's nothing even remotely interesting happening there.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mycrus, on 29 August 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

Hewho probabbly ****** over his keyboard when they closed down that threadnaught... ah good times... sold my sc account after that... jo point really waiting for vaporware.

I put in for a refund. that game is glacial. I cited that they broke their own rules and the development problems as reasons for the refund lol

[Mycrus]

Vlad Ward, on 29 August 2015 - 10:15 PM, said:

Underhive is definitely my #1 deterrent to posting in GD. It's pretty much impossible to talk about things that might have some remote benefit to groups in this environment.

I'm serious about winning best forum contributor in all of MWO awardz, though.

See?

Spoiler

And now look at me. I'm only here because GM Patience keeps banning NKVA from the CW forums, so there's nothing even remotely interesting happening there.

Nkva was actually fun for the forums during cw beta 1...

I dont think people will shout you down in GD if you set forth something that makes sense... even if controversial..

Give it a try.. the brown sea might surprise you.

[Mycrus]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 August 2015 - 10:24 PM, said:

I put in for a refund. that game is glacial. I cited that they broke their own rules and the development problems as reasons for the refund lol

Just go to a middleman... i did mine face to face... was so happy when i finally did it... at least with mwo i got a playable game... with sc i got some fun times on their forums... and a few tech demos..

[Vlad Ward]

Mycrus, on 29 August 2015 - 10:25 PM, said:

Nkva was actually fun for the forums during cw beta 1...

I dont think people will shout you down in GD if you set forth something that makes sense... even if controversial..

Give it a try.. the brown sea might surprise you.

I did. I even replied reasonably to the horde for a few pages. But my threads got turned into threadnaughts of people railing against some make believe elitist group horde trying to turn them into seal fodder for uber meta premades anyways.

Groups and unit players got a bad rap during the Matchmaker v0.001alpha days back in Closed Beta when everyone was matched against everyone and the underhive will never let it go.

[TLBFestus]

Yellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Well, I've been here a while now, and I have to say that the MWO forums are like most other game forums I've been on, i.e. too often filled with negativity and hostility.

I'm certainly no shining beacon of light when it comes to being a good forumite, but I try to be civil as much as I can, however some people seem to go out of their way to tell people how stupid they are for having a different opinion on something.
Many discussions going on here would never take place face to face, because you just don't behave like that in real life.
If people had a bit more consideration that on the other side is another human just trying to enjoy a game and that for the most part would like to be able to take part in civil and constructive discussions about that game, this would be a much better place.

Recently I started to think about what will become of this place once the steam-release has been realised. What kind of attitude do we want to convey to new players coming here?
If the kind of behaviour with flaming and trolling and just being unkind for no reason is allowed to go on, that's what we'll get, but worse, once the new influx of players happens.
New players will take their attitude from other games such as CS, BF and so on to this game, and believe me, that would not be good.

I want these forums to become a better place, one where people can have mature and proper discussions about MWO without them getting derailed by off-topic stuff, ridicule, flaming or trolling,
If we can manage this together by setting good examples for each other we can make these forums a better place. And when the new players come they will soon get into the atmosphere as well, and their possibly bad attitude from other games will not transfer to these forums.

If these forums do change for the better, maybe we can even get some developer presence here, who knows?

I'm going to work on being a friendlier forumite.
Will you?

Edit: It's not just the attitude towards fellow gamers, but the attitude towards PGI and towards specific developers is absolutely disgusting and completely undeserved.

So, in essence, you are saying that no matter what your problems are with the game be sure to "stay positive" and "keep it civil".

That's a tall order to achieve when you consider that if you choose to be negative in anyway you get "deathballed" by white knight/true beliebers. Ok...that's a bit of an exaggeration these days, but the point being that a lot of the "negative" criticism PGI has gotten is well and truly earned by PGI itself. It's not created out of the blue, and in most cases is intended as a positive criticism to improve the game.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Yellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Many discussions going on here would never take place face to face, because you just don't behave like that in real life.

Anything I have ever said around here I would also do so nose to nose with anybody.

I get what you are saying but I don't get why you care. The game needs to be fully developed the "community" attitude or environment only deters care bear emo's and that is fine by me.

[Yellonet]

Flash Frame, on 29 August 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

<olds...>

That, is why there is so much hate and vitrol... because we've been abused, so we push back.

Maybe it's time to let that baggage go, it's not doing anyone any good.
A bad attitude will not get you anything good. A positive and encouraging attitude however, might.

[Kjudoon]

When something is positive and encouraging, I will do so. When it deserves acidic scrutiny I will give it. PGI has promised me a "Thinking Man's Shooter" (and the howls of rage go up from the Ramboskirmish set) among other things found in an immersive, compelling environment. What do I have? Pewpewdurkadurka beavis and butthead matches loaded up with trolls, cheaters and some scary individuals. My hail mary pass is in the air right now. We shall see if PGI catches it for the win, or drops it and I'm in the wind.

I love Mechwarrior. I do not love MWO right now. Please give me a reason to love it instead of making me feel like I went through a bitter divorce.